[lace] Lace bombing
I don't know if any UK members have ever seen the programme 'Loose Women' which is on from 12.30pm - 1.30pm Mon - Frid on ITV? I sometimes have it on in the kitchen whilst doing my ironing and have noticed that since the new series started last month, that the back drop behind them has some lovely lace designs, quite large and drawn in white, I think against a pale blue background. Worth a look if you happen to be at home at that time of the day. It is a bit 'saucy' at times but mainly it's women discussing current affairs and they have a different guest each day. Catherine Barley UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] demonstrating lace
Don't give up - enquire as to next year, or the year after - museums often book schedules 18 months to three years in advance, so that they can get their publicity material printed and distributed in time. Write to them with your proposal, and suggest that you could arrange to call in if they wished to discuss things further. Some years ago I spent some very nice Friday afternoons demonstrating lacemaking at our local castle (which is also the town's museum) - in the courtyard, but retreating to the Great Hall on wet days. It has meant that I have had invites back when they have had craft events, and also led to photos in the local paper. (I have a photograph of one of our (male) newspaper photographers having a go, too!). I was working on my Hearts Flowers Snowflake at the time, and got quite a bit done on those Friday afternoons, the challenge was to get past the slightly complex bits before being besieged by visitors! On one occasion, due to the speaking model in one of the displays, one young lad was too frightened to go into the castle at all - so he stayed making lace with me whilst the rest of the family went round the castle - I was in the courtyard, and they could see and wave to him from the battlements! In message 20111021013244.I6W50.106231.root@cdptpa-web28-z02, hottl...@neo.rr.com writes Hello All! Looks like everyone was thinking about how to promote lace/lacemaking today--Bravo! Well I took the plunge contacted Flagler Museum. There is a lovely place to make lace on the south porch in the shade of the bougainvillea. Their schedule is already booked for the season. Oh well, I tried. Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Re: demonstrating lace
Hello Again! Thank you for your encouragement Jane! I thought maybe I would follow up with some photos--but that would mean that I actually need to finish some pieces or at least make them into something more than an unrecognizable blob stuck with pins. LOL The thought of the bougainvillea will surely help! Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA Jane Partridge jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk wrote: Don't give up - enquire as to next year, or the year after - museums often book schedules 18 months to three years in advance, so that they can get their publicity material printed and distributed in time. Write to them with your proposal, and suggest that you could arrange to call in if they wished to discuss things further. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] demonstrating lace
Oh well, I tried. Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA Dear Susan, et al, Don't give up yet. The other question is whether there is a place in public where you can make lace. Is there a place at the Flagler that has benches? I can virtually guarantee there are no signs saying, NO LACE MAKING ALLOWED. Anything stopping you from making lace at the local mall where people can sit? Preferably close to the craft or yarn shop. Can you bring your lace to the local knitting store that has knitting in the evening. At the local crafts fair, are you allowed to sit and make lace without paying for a booth if you're not selling anything? You do have a sheet of paper to give out listing places where interested people can get more information, but nothing for sale, certainly no financial benefit to you. If you list suppliers, would that change anything? Is there an art school nearby where they have textiles as a subject, so to speak, and may you make lace in the lobby around lunchtime? Is the local library open to you sitting and making lace? We like to take cruises. You get spoiled rotten for really a reasonable amount of money if you do your research properly. When I was working, the days at sea was when I did a lot of my lacemaking. Doing that in a public place gets all sorts of people to stop and ask questions. That's really all you want. In the Carribean, there's a lot to be said for lacemaking by the pool, in your chaise. I never go into the pool. I have a picture of someone taking a picture of me making lace on the Commons in Bar Harbor, Maine, USA, which is a tourist town. Now that cruises stop at Bar Harbor, it is even more busy. Demonstrating at events is an excellent idea, but generally they come around only once a year. With some thought, there are plenty of other places, especially when the weather is nice, where you can simply sit down and start making lace. Bring your own chair, if necessary. When it gets cold, go indoors to public places. Not the tired old mall, but the new vibrant one. Our local mall is large, with spokes going out from a central hub, where sometimes there are seats. Perhaps your local quilting shop is amenable, if you don't take up too much space. There are two approaches to indoor events, or even outdoor ones where you're not sitting at a park bench or some other seating area. Just go, plunk yourself down so as to be very visible, but out of the way of foot traffic paths, and see what happens. Or go to the municipal office, or the safety office, and ask permission. I suspect either would work. This is for the US, where, as far as I know, there is virtually no insurance considerations to be met. There may be zoning ordinances and the like on the books, but the real question is whether they will be enforced against a respectable looking woman sitting down and doing what is clearly akin to her knitting. At the very worst, someone official will tell you that you may not sit here. Remember, the US is also the place where, to my knowledge at least, there is no law forbidding one to give out others' email addresses. It might not be a good or considerate idea, but there is no law against it. Our copyright infringement laws also seem to be a bit more lax, and I know of no library that pays a fee for the copying of book pages, although I may be wrong there, but I don't think so. It might get a trifle more tricky if you've got a have-a-go pillow, because that would carve out a larger space than just you and your lace table, but with thought it should still be possible in many places. That's how I got hooked at the Newnan, Georgia, US, craft show in 1979. The head lady was Betty, and she was English, but lived in Atlanta. I'd still like to be able to thank her. Does anyone know the lady, and what has happened to her? Some places for the summer include, but certainly are not limited to: the outdoor concerts on the lawn in the park, where people gather before the concert to get a good place. In Central Park, in New York City, near the south east entrance, where there are people going to and fro all day. Ditto for Union Park near 14th street, where there is a farmer's market on Saturdays.. Or outside the Metropolitan Museum of Art, especially on a weekend. There are vendors out there, and I don't know if a permit is required, nor do I recall if there are benches, but it's worth a thought. Outside Central Market in my own Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where the tourists come in the summer, and you can sit outside for as long as you want, making lace. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US, where the weathermen got it wrong again, and we are in for a bright, sunny, beautiful fall day. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
Re: [lace] demonstrating lace/NY
In a message dated 10/21/2011 9:16:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lynrbai...@desupernet.net writes: Or outside the Metropolitan Museum of Art, especially on a weekend. There are vendors out there, and I don't know if a permit is required, nor do I recall if there are benches, but it's worth a thought. Interesting question. What is the definition of loitering and is it still illegal? I recently read an article about the food vendors. It appears that the hot dog vendor pays $250,000 a year to have his spot in front of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. It is paid to the city because they own the side walk. It is one of the most valuable places to sell hot dogs in New York. However, there is an old law that veterans can sell on public sidewalks for free. So a rival hot dog vendor has gone into partnership with a veteran whose role is to nap on a chair by the hot dog stand and handle the paperwork. This is causing a lot of discord because those people who have paid for the spot feel that the value of their spot has been decreased. Do we have any veterans on the list? I am not sure that the issue of whether one may legally demonstrate lace on a bench outside the Metropolitan Museum is likely to come up, though, because a very interesting event involving young people in the fashion industry called Culture Push was looking for a lace demonstration, and I couldn't find anyone who would take a lace pillow into New York for it. It was billed as collaborative skill sharing which meant unpaid, but still... It would have been a good event, but we couldn't figure out how to make it work. I even implored people at the regional meeting of my region at the convention to go, but there was not much enthusiasm. In fact, almost immediately the conversation shifted to the idea of teaching elementary age children in scouts, and hoping that they would come back to it as adults. I realize that many of us, myself included, are not up for exciting city driving, expensive parking, and hauling a ton of goods to a demo in the city. I really can only do it if my husband drives and hauls the equipment. Perhaps we need a lace swat team, ready to drop in, like the fire jumpers, to difficult locations in need of a lace demo. The Church of Craft , is dedicated to the idea that craft is good for the soul. I went to one of the monthly events in Brooklyn in which young people just gather and do crafts together and there was some interest among the young people who were there in it. I met a young man who knits platypuses, who was quite interested. There is another entity, Etsy, which has evenings in which people get together to do crafts. In fact, at one time they were looking for people to lead others in a craft activity that might even be videotaped and beamed to all the other Etsys. This would be good if someone were interested in doing it. It has to be short and it has to be something that people arriving at different times can do. The fish would be an obvious choice. Why don't you look up these places if you want to do a demo that would be seen by young people. Of course these events tend to be in cities, and we tend to be in suburbs, at least in my particular metro area. But then, the other problem is what do we do if they want to learn? Because there is no lace instruction in New York, and most of the young people do not have cars, and are unable to travel to New Jersey for lace instruction, which, while it exists, is not that easy to access. There are several textile/craft schools in New York that would probably be happy to add lace to a curriculum that already has felting and shibori on it, but there is no one to teach at these places. (Anyone who has ever tried to learn anything from me will confirm that I am a lousy teacher.) Also, a curriculum that includes design and non-traditional fibers would be more interesting than a more traditional one. But designing such a curriculum would take time and skill. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] demonstrating lace/NY
Without going to my handy dandy crimes code, the crime of loitering is something like being in one place in public too long, without a legitimate purpose. It is used when they want you to go away, and whatever you are doing doesnât qualify as another offense. So respectable people who stand on a corner and just stand there are not approached by the cops, but if youâre standing on a corner, in a nice part of town, but you are unkempt, unwashed, and donât blend into the neighborhood, AND refuse to leave after being told forcibly to leave, they might arrest you arrest you for loitering. Regulation of vendors is not my area of expertise, but I suspect the cops, who are the doorkeepers of the loitering law, would not take an adverse position to someone sitting out of the major foot traffic, merely sitting making lace, who clearly is not selling anything, nor creating a disturbance, does not look unsavory. You bring up another issue for demonstrating. Lugging equipment. Since I am used to lacemaking whilst traveling, my cookie pillows are polystyrene, and I have pared my equipment down to exactly what I will need. Everything else stays home. I have a stool that folds and weighs 2 pounds (1 kilo) and yet holds my Queenly weight. If my weight were at goal Iâd use the one that weighs a bit more than a pound. My lace table folds down and down. It is an InStand, which is the gizmo used by court reporters to hold their machines, (instand.com and amazon.com, usual disclaimers.) If I were 10 years younger, I could carry all that from my home in Lancaster, on the train, on the subway, to the Museum, no problem. As it is, with issues of walking and carrying things, Iâd probably put it all in a wheeled carryon, and do it that way. Still not heavy. Devon, if thereâs a nice sunny day left this year, call me and if Iâm available, Iâll take the train (3 hours each way) and meet you at the entrance to the Met. Bring a chair. We can test this out and report to the list. But you provide lunch. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US, where the sun has gone away, and maybe the weatherman was right after all. From: dmt11h...@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:09 AM To: lynrbai...@desupernet.net Cc: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] demonstrating lace/NY In a message dated 10/21/2011 9:16:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lynrbai...@desupernet.net writes: Or outside the Metropolitan Museum of Art, especially on a weekend. There are vendors out there, and I don't know if a permit is required, nor do I recall if there are benches, but it's worth a thought. Interesting question. What is the definition of loitering and is it still illegal? I recently read an article about the food vendors. It appears that the hot dog vendor pays $250,000 a year to have his spot in front of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. It is paid to the city because they own the side walk. It is one of the most valuable places to sell hot dogs in New York. However, there is an old law that veterans can sell on public sidewalks for free. So a rival hot dog vendor has gone into partnership with a veteran whose role is to nap on a chair by the hot dog stand and handle the paperwork. This is causing a lot of discord because those people who have paid for the spot feel that the value of their spot has been decreased. Do we have any veterans on the list? I am not sure that the issue of whether one may legally demonstrate lace on a bench outside the Metropolitan Museum is likely to come up, though, because a very interesting event involving young people in the fashion industry called Culture Push was looking for a lace demonstration, and I couldn't find anyone who would take a lace pillow into New York for it. It was billed as collaborative skill sharing which meant unpaid, but still... It would have been a good event, but we couldn't figure out how to make it work. I even implored people at the regional meeting of my region at the convention to go, but there was not much enthusiasm. In fact, almost immediately the conversation shifted to the idea of teaching elementary age children in scouts, and hoping that they would come back to it as adults. I realize that many of us, myself included, are not up for exciting city driving, expensive parking, and hauling a ton of goods to a demo in the city. I really can only do it if my husband drives and hauls the equipment. Perhaps we need a lace swat team, ready to drop in, like the fire jumpers, to difficult locations in need of a lace demo. The Church of Craft , is dedicated to the idea that craft is good for the soul. I went to one of the monthly events in Brooklyn in which young people just gather and do crafts together and there was some interest among the young people who were there in it. I met a young man who knits platypuses, who was quite interested. There is another entity, Etsy, which has evenings in which people get together to do crafts. In fact, at one time they were
[lace] demonstrating lace
Another place without quite as much traffic... the car dealership! LOL My car needed some work so I brought my tatting and sat in the waiting room, in the sun, and tatted! Time passes a lot quicker that way, as well :_) Lauren in WA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Re Carrying equipment
Transporting bobbin lace equipment can be a challenge. In my early days, I used to pack up a pillow, bag of stuff, folding pillow stand, folding lawn chair, a cardtable for displaying lace, my cardboard display board, and maybe my lunchand pack it on a large wheeled luggage carrier. We put on demos outdoors at festivals with no equipment provided. Through the years, I've refined some of my equipment. I, also, now use the InStand tables (a bit expensive but takes very little room in a bag or suitcase == usual disclaimers) and have some projects started on smaller roller pillows. I also added a fold to the display board (the 4x4 foamcore or cardboard ones from the stationery store) by cutting through the inside surface in the middle of the whole thing and folding it back. It's now 1x4 when folded. I lay out things on a table only when a table is provided. A small wheeled luggage cart is sufficient. The various venues provide chairs, and the adjustable stand can adapt to any chair height. Speaking of demosMy local church has a Fair Trade booth somewhere in town during the Christmas season. When I take my turn minding it, I take my lace. I take it to meetings, in the ticket booth at the community theater, or anywhere that I will have to sit and spend time waiting or listening. My small roller pillow and the smaller InStand table both fit in a 12x15 totebag and are ready to go at any time. For these impromtu times, I don't take display items, but a few lace guild business cards are handy to have. Seeing someone make lace is the best way to attract attention... and our group has recently gained 4-5 new people from demos. Alice in Oregon ... with clouds and showers back again. - Original Message - You bring up another issue for demonstrating. Lugging equipment. Since I am used to lacemaking whilst traveling, my cookie pillows are polystyrene, and I have pared my equipment down to exactly what I will need. Everything else stays home. I have a stool that folds and weighs 2 pounds (1 kilo) and yet holds my Queenly weight. If my weight were at goal I���d use the one that weighs a bit more than a pound. My lace table folds down and down. It is an InStand, which is the gizmo used by court reporters to hold their machines, (instand.com and amazon.com, usual disclaimers.) If I were 10 years younger, I could carry all that from my home in Lancaster, on the train, on the subway, to the Museum, no problem. As it is, with issues of walking and carrying things, I���d probably put it all in a wheeled carryon, and do it that way. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Re: Re Carrying equipment
Exactly so. While you can go whole hog and have a table with examples and a backdrop and a have-a-go pillow, it is also possible to make an impact just with your lace pillow, making lace, along with something in writing so you can point the way to further inquiry. I forget who mentioned the lady in Britain who had seen several prior demonstrations, but on that last occasion decided to have a go, and began lacemaking. We need to provide those prior times for people to see what we do. You can go fancy, or you can go simply, depending on your resources. Just do it in public. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US, where the blue and gray skies have been alternating all day. -Original Message- From: lacel...@frontier.com Sent: Oct 21, 2011 11:34 AM To: Lyn Bailey lynrbai...@desupernet.net Cc: lace@arachne.com, dmt11h...@aol.com Subject: Re Carrying equipment Transporting bobbin lace equipment can be a challenge. In my early days, I used to pack up a pillow, bag of stuff, folding pillow stand, folding lawn chair, a cardtable for displaying lace, my cardboard display board, and maybe my lunchand pack it on a large wheeled luggage carrier. We put on demos outdoors at festivals with no equipment provided. Through the years, I've refined some of my equipment. I, also, now use the InStand tables (a bit expensive but takes very little room in a bag or suitcase == usual disclaimers) and have some projects started on smaller roller pillows. I also added a fold to the display board (the 4x4 foamcore or cardboard ones from the stationery store) by cutting through the inside surface in the middle of the whole thing and folding it back. It's now 1x4 when folded. I lay out things on a table only when a table is provided. A small wheeled luggage cart is sufficient. The various venues provide chairs, and the adjustable stand can adapt to any chair height. Speaking of demosMy local church has a Fair Trade booth somewhere in town during the Christmas season. When I take my turn minding it, I take my lace. I take it to meetings, in the ticket booth at the community theater, or anywhere that I will have to sit and spend time waiting or listening. My small roller pillow and the smaller InStand table both fit in a 12x15 totebag and are ready to go at any time. For these impromtu times, I don't take display items, but a few lace guild business cards are handy to have. Seeing someone make lace is the best way to attract attention... and our group has recently gained 4-5 new people from demos. Alice in Oregon ... with clouds and showers back again. - Original Message - You bring up another issue for demonstrating. Lugging equipment. Since I am used to lacemaking whilst traveling, my cookie pillows are polystyrene, and I have pared my equipment down to exactly what I will need. Everything else stays home. I have a stool that folds and weighs 2 pounds (1 kilo) and yet holds my Queenly weight. If my weight were at goal I���d use the one that weighs a bit more than a pound. My lace table folds down and down. It is an InStand, which is the gizmo used by court reporters to hold their machines, (instand.com and amazon.com, usual disclaimers.) If I were 10 years younger, I could carry all that from my home in Lancaster, on the train, on the subway, to the Museum, no problem. As it is, with issues of walking and carrying things, I���d probably put it all in a wheeled carryon, and do it that way. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Re: demonstrating lace/NY
On 10/21/11 9:09 AM, dmt11h...@aol.com dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: Perhaps we need a lace swat team, ready to drop in, like the fire jumpers, to difficult locations in need of a lace demo. This just brought an interesting image in my head that I couldn't let go. So I drew up a LACE S.W.A.T. TEAM logo for your enjoyment: http://www.tat-man.net/LaceSWATTeam.jpg Good to put on t-shirts as an attention-getter as you repel/run/set yourself on that spot ready to demo on a moment's notice. ;) -- Mark, aka Tatman website: http://www.tat-man.net blog: http://tat-man.net/blog Magic Thread Shop: http://www.tat-man.net/tatterville/tatshop/tatshop.html email: tat...@tat-man.net Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TatmanBobbin - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Re: demonstrating lace/NY
I love it! In a message dated 10/21/2011 4:09:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tat...@tat-man.net writes: http://www.tat-man.net/LaceSWATTeam.jpg - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] demonstrating lace
I've done tatting at the dentist And the doctors, in the queue. Now I'll add tatting in my pocket When the car is serviced, too ...Noelene in Cooma nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au Another place without quite as much traffic... the car dealership! LOL My car needed some work so I brought my tatting and sat in the waiting room, in the sun, and tatted! Time passes a lot quicker that way, as well :_) Lauren in WA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] lace swat team
Mark Very cute! Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Re: demonstrating lace/NY
I sat on the bottom of the stairs in a hotel one Friday afternoon while my husband discussed the bill (booked from Airport, promised a discount). I was tatting and gave a cross bookmark to a lady in red from Texas who had been in New York for the US Open. We went on a bus to Montreal that evening. If we had gone on a bus to NY as originally planned (we flew from Chicargo), we might have been there for the most famous Tuesday of recent times! Mary Carey Campbelltown, NSW, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Farmer John
Farmer John lived on a quiet rural highway west of Lossiemouth.As time went by, the traffic slowly built up at an alarming rate.The traffic got so heavy and so fast that his free range chickens were being run over at a rate of three to six a day. ATT0ATT0ATT0 So this particular day Farmer John called the local police station and to complain, You've got to do something about all of these people driving so fast and killing all of my chickens. ATT0ATT0ATT0ATT0 What do you want me to do? asked the policeman. I don't care, just do something about those crazy drivers! So the next day the policeman had the Main Road 's Workers Go out and erected a sign that said: SLOW: SCHOOL CROSSING ATT0ATT0ATT0ATT0 Three days later Farmer John called the policeman and said, You've still got to do something about these drivers. The 'school Crossing sign seems to make them go even faster! So, again, the policeman sends out the Main Roads workers' And they put up a new sign: SLOW: CHILDREN AT PLAY ATT0ATT0ATT0 That really sped them up. So Farmer John called and called and called every day for three weeks. Finally, he said to the policeman Your signs are doing no Good. Can I put up my own sign? The policeman said, Sure thing, put up your own sign.. He was going to let Farmer John do just about anything In order to get him off his back. ATT0ATT0ATT0ATT0 The cop got no more calls from Farmer John. Three weeks later, curiosity got the better of the copper And he decided to give Farmer John a call. How's the Problem with those drivers. Did you put up your sign? Oh, I sure did, replied Farmer John, and not one chicken Has been killed since then. I've got to go. I'm very busy.. He hung up the phone. The policeman was really curious now and he thought to himself, I'd better go out there and take a look at that sign . it might Be something that WE could use to slow down drivers... ATT0ATT0ATT0ATT0 So he drove out to John's farm house, His jaw dropped the moment he saw the sign. ATT0ATT0ATT0ATT0 It was spray painted on a sheet of plywood NUDIST COLONY Slowdown and watch out for chicks! ATT0ATT0 Keep Smiling _ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
