Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

2017-03-02 Thread Ilske Thomsen 
Devon, 
after my knowledge what you describe is named Point de Venice à relief.

Ilske

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Re: [lace] bowing off

2017-03-02 Thread Ilske Thomsen 
I had lessons in Honiton, Bruges flower work and Duchesse but i didn’t bow off 
thread. Did I do something wrong?

Ilske

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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

2017-03-02 Thread Carolina de la Guardia 
Devon, I understand that Point of Venice would be a an appropriate term, as
a generic term.


Yesterday I was reading from the ipad so I could not access easily to the
information. Now from my desktop here there are other links:

Gros Point of Venice 17th. cent
http://www.museocaprai.it/collezione_scheda.php?idc=2

Point Plat of Venice  20th. cent.
http://www.museocaprai.it/collezione_scheda.php?idc=175

Point of Venice
http://www.museodelmerletto.it/001-Merletti-Italiani/001-Venezia-e-Burano/007-punto_venezia.html

This is a Point of Venice slightly raised, dated about 17th. cent.
http://chambredescouleurs.france-i.com/8542

Regards from Barcelona.


Carolina de la Guardia
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2017-03-02 14:17 GMT+01:00 :

>  But as this piece is dated to the 17th century, would the term Point de
> Venise be appropriate? Is Point de Venise a generic term or does it imply a
> date as well?
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> A concern that I have is that people looking for Point Plat, an unusual
> lace, would be disappointed to be directed to this lace.
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Re: [lace] Lace Guild Magazine Lost in Post Office Fire?

2017-03-02 Thread Malvary Cole 
Jeri – I think you should probably wait a bit longer.  I only received my
copy last Friday, so they are still filtering through.

If your copy doesn’t arrive, can you claim anything from the post office,
after all it isn’t your fault that you are out of pocket nor should The Lace
Guild be either, come to that.

Malvary in Ottawa where we have snow again today after several days of balmy
spring weather.

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RE: [lace] bowing off

2017-03-02 Thread devonthein 
Personally, I have come to the conclusion that I would rather maintain a set
of bobbins where half the bobbins have a lot of thread and no knots, and half
the bobbins have a lot of knots and not that much thread. Rather than take the
luck of the draw with knotting two bobbins as they come off together, possibly
yielding knots very close together, I would rather cut them off and then wind
from a thread heavy bobbin to a knot heavy bobbin as much thread as will be
required so that I don’t have to deal with knots very often.
Maybe the Belgians have reached the same conclusion.
Devon

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RE: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

2017-03-02 Thread devonthein 
Carolina and Jean are suggesting that Point Plat is the correct term. Gon says
that she would call it Point de Venise a relief, “because there is a small
relief around the motives. In the Point de Venise Plat there is no relief at
all.”
Gon echoes a feeling that I have about it. I think of Point Plat as a rather
rare lace. The lack of a finished edge around the motifs is very noticeable.
In fact, it may be rather hard to achieve. But in this piece There is a
buttonholed relief around the edges of the motifs. The relief around the
motifs seems more like what you would see in what I would call Point de Venise
such as was being made in the late 19th early 20th century for table linens.
As such this structure is a very common one, not rare. But as this piece is
dated to the 17th century, would the term Point de Venise be appropriate? Is
Point de Venise a generic term or does it imply a date as well?
A concern that I have is that people looking for Point Plat, an unusual lace,
would be disappointed to be directed to this lace.
Devon

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Re: [lace] bowing off

2017-03-02 Thread Sue Harvey 
I was taught bowing off when learning Honiton for just that reason  The 
saving of thread by it being already knotted and just wind back thread to the 
required length, very useful when making Honiton when you have small pieces to 
work at a time. Have never used it on any other type of lace but could be used 
for all small items I think. The technique seems impossible at first but once 
you get the knack it's fine, I found it easier to use loose blunt  scissors, a 
good description of bowing off can be found in " Honiton Lace A Practical Guide 
" by Cynthia Voysey  a very useful little inexpensive book that I used to learn 
Honiton I hope it's still available as I've had mine for some years.

Sue Harvey
Norfolk UK 
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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

2017-03-02 Thread Gon Homburg 
Hello Devon,

I think you get all kind of possibilities. I would call it Point de Venise à 
relief, because there is a small relief around the motives. In the Point de 
Venise plat there is no relief at all. Of course the reliefs in the Point de 
Venise a gros relief the reliefs around the motive are really thick.


Gon Homburg in a windy and rainy Amsterdam, The Netherlands



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> On 1 Mar 2017, at 21:46, devonth...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> If this is not Gros Point, what would you call it, or
>> what would you be searching if you were looking for it.
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> Devon,
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> I would call it Point Plat - see at the bottom of the page on my website at 
> https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/venice.html
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> Jean in sunny Glasgow
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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

2017-03-02 Thread Jean Leader 
On 1 Mar 2017, at 21:46, devonth...@gmail.com wrote:

>  If this is not Gros Point, what would you call it, or
> what would you be searching if you were looking for it.

Devon,

I would call it Point Plat - see at the bottom of the page on my website at 
https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/venice.html

Jean in sunny Glasgow

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[lace] Patsy being hacked

2017-03-02 Thread Alex Stillwell 
Hi Patsy

Thank you for letting us know. I hope it all gets sorted out.

Blow the dust

Alex

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Re: [lace] Victoria's gown Poor Lace

2017-03-02 Thread Diana Smith 
The poorer classes would probably be wearing last seasons, unfashionable, cast 
offs. Those in rural areas would always be slightly behind in style.

Even in those days fashions could change over night and of course one would not 
want to be seen in last seasons out dated styles.

Diana

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