RE: [Ext] Re: [lace] 1851 Great Exhibition catalogue

[Louise Bailey]

Diana actually George was still alive in 1901 - 20 years younger than 
Elizabeth! So that must be the link

Louise


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Dear Louise 
Thank you very much for that. 
I must confess a little disappointment that there wasn’t more info but I guess 
Prince Albert wasn’t to know I’d be searching a hundred and sixty odd years 
later!
Now I wonder where Thomas Wright got the information for his book - maybe from 
a local Olney source.
Regards
Diana

> On 11 Oct 2019, at 08:28, Louise Bailey  wrote:
> 
> Oops can't see for looking.  'Lace pillow with lace in progress employing 
> upwards of 600 bobbins each having a separate thread' right there on the 
> first page.
> 
> The rain must have addled my eyes
> 
> Louise in soggy Cambridge 
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RE: [Ext] Re: [lace] 1851 Great Exhibition catalogue

[Louise Bailey]

Diana, 

>From the info given in Wright, I've been trying to follow Elizabeth Clayson in 
>the census records. In 1841 and 1851 she is in Olney with John Millward - lace 
>dealer and designer, as servant, I think - the squiggle is indistinct.  In 
>1861 she is still in Olney sharing a dwelling with a schoolteacher, and is a 
>lace dealer in her own right. By 1871 and 1881 she is Elizabeth Smith and she 
>and George are both Lace dealers. She is in a different house on Olney High 
>street each time. She married in Jun 1861.
Her birth date is given as 1812-1816 She has no descendants obvious.   I could 
not see obvious records for her in 1891, there is an Elizabeth Smith in the 
Death records for Newport Pagnell District in the mid 1880s of about the right 
age. That is probably a little early for Wright to have direct overlap.

Louise


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From: Diana Smith  
Sent: 11 October 2019 10:22
To: Louise Bailey 
Cc: lace@arachne.com
Subject: [Ext] Re: [lace] 1851 Great Exhibition catalogue 

Dear Louise 
Thank you very much for that. 
I must confess a little disappointment that there wasn’t more info but I guess 
Prince Albert wasn’t to know I’d be searching a hundred and sixty odd years 
later!
Now I wonder where Thomas Wright got the information for his book - maybe from 
a local Olney source.
Regards
Diana

> On 11 Oct 2019, at 08:28, Louise Bailey  wrote:
> 
> Oops can't see for looking.  'Lace pillow with lace in progress employing 
> upwards of 600 bobbins each having a separate thread' right there on the 
> first page.
> 
> The rain must have addled my eyes
> 
> Louise in soggy Cambridge 
> 
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Re: [lace] 1851 Great Exhibition catalogue

[Diana Smith]

Dear Louise 
Thank you very much for that. 
I must confess a little disappointment that there wasn’t more info but I guess 
Prince Albert wasn’t to know I’d be searching a hundred and sixty odd years 
later!
Now I wonder where Thomas Wright got the information for his book - maybe from 
a local Olney source.
Regards
Diana

> On 11 Oct 2019, at 08:28, Louise Bailey  wrote:
> 
> Oops can't see for looking.  'Lace pillow with lace in progress employing 
> upwards of 600 bobbins each having a separate thread' right there on the 
> first page.
> 
> The rain must have addled my eyes
> 
> Louise in soggy Cambridge 
> 
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RE: [lace] 1851 Great Exhibition catalogue

[Louise Bailey]

Oops can't see for looking.  'Lace pillow with lace in progress employing 
upwards of 600 bobbins each having a separate thread' right there on the first 
page.

The rain must have addled my eyes

Louise in soggy Cambridge 

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Re: [lace] 1851 Great Exhibition catalogue

[Louise Bailey]

Dear all,

Brian posted the link to the 'short version' for use while walking around the 
exhibition.  As Diana says there were five volumes of the 'Official descriptive 
and illustrated catalogue of the Great Exhibition of the Works of Industry of 
All Nations, 1851.'

https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001511517

V2  contains Section III Class 19 TAPESTRY, CARPETS, FLOOR-CLOTHS, LACE AND 
EMBROIDERY, &c. and the following class 20. ARTICLES OF CLOTHING, FOR 
IMMEDIATE, PERSONAL OR DOMESTIC USE.

These start at about p100 for the digitised version, p560 of the original 
printed book.  No obvious mention of a demonstrator with her pillow.

Other volumes might list  bobbin manufacturers, lace machines such as Levers 
are in an earlier class.

Louise

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Re: [lace] 1851 Great Exhibition catalogue

[Adele Shaak]

I found a short reference to Mrs. Treadwin’s display (#55, on about p. 103). 
Mrs. Treadwin is ringing a bell in my mind but I don’t know why. Was she the 
one who designed Victoria’s wedding lace? Or?

Adele


> On Oct 10, 2019, at 4:02 AM, Diana Smith  
> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for the link Brian. After scrolling up, down and inside out I’ve 
> learnt there are five catalogues of the exhibition. After considerable time 
> studying what turned out to be only other countries of the world I managed to 
> find a short reference to Lacemaking in the East Midlands.

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Re: [lace] 1851 Great Exhibition catalogue

[Sue]

Precious materials were used to make all sorts of items to trade, other than 
ornaments.  Snuff boxes often had ivory inlay cigar boxes, etc I expect.  As 
mentioned handles for parasols or fans, I also wonder what decorations have 
adorned castles/palaces around the world, Spain, France, Russia, Britain as 
well as others in Eastern Europe which have been used by top folk in all of 
those countries along with all the silver and gold items in these places and 
during the last 150 years others have come and gone.

Sue T

I remember Barbara Underwood saying that Thomas Lester used family and 
friends for his complicated patterns as they would not be cost effective for 
the average lacemaker. Maybe they used ivory bobbins.  I always thought it 
would be impossible for antique bobbins to be ivory but maybe there are some 
about.  I do have one ivory Bobbin which was made by Richard Gravestock, 
possibly early to mid 1980s just before it became illegal to sell ivory. 
And I have an Antique ivory parasol but I have no idea how old it is.  Even 
if it was legal I wouldn’t buy ivory now.


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Maureen

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Re: [lace] 1851 Great Exhibition catalogue

[Diana Smith]

Thank you for the link Brian. After scrolling up, down and inside out I’ve 
learnt there are five catalogues of the exhibition. After considerable time 
studying what turned out to be only other countries of the world I managed to 
find a short reference to Lacemaking in the East Midlands.

Page 112 (can’t remember which catalogue - sorry)
“Mr B Hill of Olney exhibited several specimens of Buckinghamshire pillow lace 
of very pleasing patterns, and all admirably executed. In the production of the 
specimen engraved comprising oak branch with pendant acorns there are upwards 
of 700 bobbins employed.” 

I must add that I have an old sample of this lace.

“A good notion of the process of Lacemaking was afforded by a lace pillow 
exhibited by Messrs Groucock & Co, which was placed on one of the bridges in 
Class X1X and which deservedly attracted much observation, on account of its 
singular appearance and the exceeding fineness of the lace in process of making 
upon it.”

I’ve not heard of Groucock & co, pity their location wasn’t included - more 
research maybe!
Diana 

> On 10 Oct 2019, at 08:14, Maureen  wrote:
> 
> I remember Barbara Underwood saying that Thomas Lester used family and 
> friends for his complicated patterns as they would not be cost effective for 
> the average lacemaker. Maybe they used ivory bobbins.  I always thought it 
> would be impossible for antique bobbins to be ivory but maybe there are some 
> about.  I do have one ivory Bobbin which was made by Richard Gravestock, 
> possibly early to mid 1980s just before it became illegal to sell ivory.  And 
> I have an Antique ivory parasol but I have no idea how old it is.  Even if it 
> was legal I wouldn’t buy ivory now.
> 
> Regards
> Maureen
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Re: [lace] 1851 Great Exhibition catalogue

[Maureen]

I remember Barbara Underwood saying that Thomas Lester used family and friends 
for his complicated patterns as they would not be cost effective for the 
average lacemaker. Maybe they used ivory bobbins.  I always thought it would be 
impossible for antique bobbins to be ivory but maybe there are some about.  I 
do have one ivory Bobbin which was made by Richard Gravestock, possibly early 
to mid 1980s just before it became illegal to sell ivory.  And I have an 
Antique ivory parasol but I have no idea how old it is.  Even if it was legal I 
wouldn’t buy ivory now.

Regards
Maureen

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[lace] 1851 Great Exhibition catalogue

[brido11]

I did a digital search from that previous URL and with no effect.  I found
another site and the search engines seemed to work well, but I got lace, but
no Lace bobbin,  Ivory but no ivory bobbin.

 

I do not think the catalogue is laid out in such a manner that it will help
us.

 

Brian


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