[lace] Adhesives for fans

2010-11-03 Thread Alex Stillwell
Hi Arachnids

Wallpaper paste is mentioned in Christine's book as it is very easily removed
form the lace is it ever has to be removed for cleaning. It is preferable to
ise paste that does not contain fungicide as we do not know the long term
effects of this substance on fabrics and it remains active for many years.
However, you may prefer to tale the chance as it will prevent fungi from
growing on the paste - and your lace. Another warning, this time regarding
flour and water paste.  Flour is a foodstuff relished by many bugs and fungi,
it will attract them and they may not attack the only the paste.

Keep lacemaking

Alex

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[lace] Adhesives for fans

2003-07-30 Thread Jean Nathan
Jeri and I have exchanged a couple of emails following my email to the list
about Nancy Armstrong, which she thought should be posted to the list . So
here's the whole thing in chronoligical order:

>From Jean:


>From Jeri:
> My copy of this book was published in 1978 -- 25 years ago.  I wonder if
all
> the products are still available, and if - with 25 years of additional
> experience, the experts at the Fan Museum might have new information to
share.  In 25
> years, framers have greatly changed their methods and are using new
products
> to protect art.
>
> I have not been out to shop for glues, and am not making a lace fan, but
can
> tell you that none of these product names are familiar to me on this side
of
> the "Big Pond".
>
> Therefore, I think it would still be wise to have someone write a current
> article on this subject for The Lace Guild's magazine.

>From Jean:


>From Jeri:




Jean in Poole
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[lace] Adhesives for fans

2003-08-06 Thread Jane Read
I get sooo behind with my digests


>While not suggesting for a moment that she would remember what adhesives fan
>makers used before synthetic adhesives, many years ago Pat Read recommended
>gum arabic to me.  It was in powder/granular form and had to be dissolved in
>water before use.  Perhaps Jane could tell us more.

I can't help much - Mum is on holiday and incommunicado, so I can't ask
her. My understanding is that gum arabic is a traditional paste used for
paper and fabrics.

A search on the internet tells me that it is an exudate of acacia trees. It
was a water soluble gum used in adhesives, ink and marbling paints. As an
adhesive it was valued for its ready solubility in water, readiness for
use, cleanliness and ease of application. However, it is too moisture
sensitive for archival work.
These days it seems to be used more in the food processing industry. It is
an emulsifier used to stabilise flavours and essential oils, and is used in
confectionary, such as wine gums, pastilles and marshmallows.
 - so, your useless information for today. What used to be used as glue, is
now eaten as food.

Cheers
Jane

In an excessively hot and humid Hampshire where I've had headaches for
several days

PS Nearly forgot the obligatory lace content:

> "Several weeks"  is a longish project  Interesting viewpoint

Indeed. I'd say several weeks was an incredibly short project. Over the
last six years I've averaged one piece of lace per year. I only have one
piece of work on the go and they've all been pretty small. Its a question
of how much time available and currently there isn't any.

Ms Jane Read
Southampton Oceanography Centre, Empress Dock, Southampton, SO14 3ZH, U.K.
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  tel: 02380-596432

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Re: [lace] Adhesives for fans

2010-11-04 Thread Laceandbits
A google search for "fungicide free wallpaper paste" will bring up 
(surprise, surprise) fungicide free alternatives.

Apart from using it for pasting wallpaper, embroiderers use it for some of 
their textile crafts and gardeners use it to make a carrier to be able to 
squeeze fine seeds into drills like toothpaste.

Jacquie in Lincolnshire.

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Re: [lace] Adhesives for fans

2003-07-30 Thread Laceandbits
In a message dated 30/07/03 10:06:25 GMT Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< It would be interesting to find out what fan makers used during the
 1900s before these synthetic adhesives were around.
  >>

While not suggesting for a moment that she would remember what adhesives fan 
makers used before synthetic adhesives, many years ago Pat Read recommended 
gum arabic to me.  It was in powder/granular form and had to be dissolved in 
water before use.  Perhaps Jane could tell us more.

I have to confess that the lace did not stay stuck for long, but that was 
probably due to operator error.  In retrospect, I should perhaps have primed the 
wooden sticks in some way, and I could easily have got the proportions of 
water/gum arabic wrong.  I do have to say though that when the lace came off, 
after some months, there was no mark or staining apparent, and there still is not 
after probably another 15 years.  And the leaf is still not back on the sticks.

Jacquie
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RE: [lace] Adhesives for fans

2003-07-31 Thread Liz Beecher
Evostick - there are two types of evostick -the one that shoe repairers use
to stick soles on shoes (red) - DO NOT USE THIS - it turns dark brown and
stains and damages your lace.

and the green evow - which is used for woodwork and is a pva glue.  From
discussions with a couple of people when I made my first fan leaf (yet to be
mounted some 10 years later) - the Green EvoW or Evowood or any good PVA is
really good to prime the part of the fan stick that you wish to attach the
lace too.  All you do is water th PVA glue down to half and half glue water
or even a little less and paint a fine layer onto the part of the fan stick
that you wish to attach the fan to - because wood is porous the glue seals
the wood and gives a better 'stick'.  This principle is used to seal plaster
before painting or even, as my dad did, seal the garage floor to make it
water proof.  However, it works just as well with fabric.

Hopes this helps - when it comes to glue Dad and I are quite expert - it's
just sticking the fan leaf to the fan sticks that I'm frighted off.

If you are in the uk, creative beadcraft used to do a nice pva glue which
you could stick beads to fabric with - I'm not sure if they still do - they
do have a website - just search by their company name

Regards

Liz Beecher
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Jeri and I have exchanged a couple of emails following my email to the list
about Nancy Armstrong, which she thought should be posted to the list . So
here's the whole thing in chronoligical order:

>From Jean:



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[lace] Adhesives for fans and 'Lace' magazine

2003-07-29 Thread Jean Nathan
In her chapter on repairing fans, Nancy Armstrong in "The Books of Fans"
lists Durofix, Evostik, Cascamite, Aerolite, Copydex, Araldite, Calaton,
Cellofas and pastes such as Gripfix, as suitable adhesives either for
repairing or attaching paper fan leaves to sticks.

For lace fans, she suggests stitching the lace to the sticks with invisible
thread and beading needles, working from the centre out, and sticking the
lace to the guard sticks with Evostick Clear.

Glad to hear that most of you have received your copies of 'Lace' with the
polar grid in. I'm the one who wanted it, and I haven't received mine yet.
My poor postman was glad to get away from me this morning, and if he hasn't
got it tomorrow ...

Jean in Poole
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