Re: [lace] Honiton vs Withof

[Lyn Bailey]

I sent the following to Ann Humphreys on 11/19, and to lace@arachne on 
11/20.  Let's see if it gets published this time.


Both are part laces using very fine thread.  Honiton elements are 
frequently put together later.  Withof elements are connected by the 
lacemaker as she/he goes.  Honiton has pinholes, Withof does not.  Honiton 
uses 3 twists on the pin-under-four, Withof uses 2.  Withof uses a thicker 
thread as gimp.  Honiton pairs the thick thread with a thread the weight of 
the rest of the piece, CTC that pair throughout, so it stays on the edge of 
the motif.  I'm sure there are other differences, but I can't think of any. 
I'm also sure there are others on this list more qualified to state the 
differences.


Lorelei wrote:
Withof and Honiton are alike in that they are both part laces which use 
raised work.

Part lace means that the lace is made up of several discrete parts, and at
the end of the motif the threads are knotted and cut off. So on the wrong
side you will see knots and lumps. But they are quite different in the
sequence of working and the kind of raised work that they do.

Raised work in Honiton may be a narrow tape with pinholes only on one side.
This narrow tape is laid down first, usually to emphasize the central vein
of a leaf, but it may also use a bundle of threads whose purpose is to
travel the threads from the end of one motif segment to the top of another.
Here is a leaf I made from Maidment, using Luxton's instructions.
http://lynxlace.com/images/lace727.jpg
In Withof the bundle of threads is the most common and it may be laid down
to emphasize a leaf central vein. But the whole motif is also usually
surround by a bundle when the motif is ended. This gives relief and
interest, but actually functions to secure all those ends, so there are
fewer knots and much more stability. Here are 2 small motifs I did many
years ago.
http://lynxlace.com/images/lace456.jpg
http://lynxlace.com/images/lace726.jpg

In both the raised work gives dimension to the work, a decoration, but is
primarily a means of moving threads from one place to another without
cutting them off, reducing the number of knots and enhancing stability.

Honiton had and has many designers over the 2 or 3 centuries of its
existence, and its style (the design itself) changed over time. True Withof,
as I understand it, has only Sister Judith as the designer. She and her
students developed Withof as a variation on Duchesse, starting in the mid
20th century.

My Honiton pinterest board
https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/honiton-bobbin-lace/

My Withof pinterest board
https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/withof-bobbin-lace/
Lorelei Halley

What is the difference between Honiton and Withof lace?
Ann
UK

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RE: [lace] Honiton vs Withof

[Lorelei Halley]

Ann
I don't see that anyone answered your question, so I will try. Withof and
Honiton are alike in that they are both part laces which use raised work.
Part lace means that the lace is made up of several discrete parts, and at
the end of the motif the threads are knotted and cut off. So on the wrong
side you will see knots and lumps. But they are quite different in the
sequence of working and the kind of raised work that they do.

Raised work in Honiton may be a narrow tape with pinholes only on one side.
This narrow tape is laid down first, usually to emphasize the central vein
of a leaf, but it may also use a bundle of threads whose purpose is to
travel the threads from the end of one motif segment to the top of another.
Here is a leaf I made from Maidment, using Luxton's instructions.
http://lynxlace.com/images/lace727.jpg 
In Withof the bundle of threads is the most common and it may be laid down
to emphasize a leaf central vein. But the whole motif is also usually
surround by a bundle when the motif is ended. This gives relief and
interest, but actually functions to secure all those ends, so there are
fewer knots and much more stability. Here are 2 small motifs I did many
years ago.
http://lynxlace.com/images/lace456.jpg 
http://lynxlace.com/images/lace726.jpg 

In both the raised work gives dimension to the work, a decoration, but is
primarily a means of moving threads from one place to another without
cutting them off, reducing the number of knots and enhancing stability.

Honiton had and has many designers over the 2 or 3 centuries of its
existence, and its style (the design itself) changed over time. True Withof,
as I understand it, has only Sister Judith as the designer. She and her
students developed Withof as a variation on Duchesse, starting in the mid
20th century.

My Honiton pinterest board
https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/honiton-bobbin-lace/ 

My Withof pinterest board
https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/withof-bobbin-lace/ 
Lorelei Halley


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Subject: [lace] Honiton vs Withof

What is the difference between Honiton and Withof lace?

I have asked this question on a lacemaking facebook page after someone
showed a lovely piece of Withof that looked like Honiton but nobody seems to
know the answer.  
Ann
UK

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Re: [lace] Honiton vs Withof

[Anneke]

Hi Ann and all,

I am not an expert on Honiton, but I can tell you about Withof.
I know some of the differences.

In Withof the patterns are drawn with lines, you have to decide for yourself 
where to put your pins. Depending on your thread and if your want your lace to 
be more dense or open. 
In Honiton the place for your pins is given, so there is less freedom in 
working the lace.
If you give a Withof pattern to several lacemakers, the outcome can differ, 
sometimes much.

In Withof there is more depth than in Honiton because of the rolling of the 
several parts of the pattern.

Than just characteristics of Withof patterns:
Flowing  lines
Fantasy flowers and leaves, scrolls and net
Larger, with more pairs worked parts. 
Lots of decorations worked in the parts.

And for the technique:
Depth or relief by rolling.
An extra twist with the runners between half stitch and gimppair. This is what 
Sister Judith ( the originator of Withof) called "her autograph".

Of course there is a lot more about the patterns and technique of Withof, but I 
can not say how much different that is with Honiton.

www.reijs.nl

Anneke Reijs in stormy Roermond, in the South East of the Netherlands
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> Ann
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[lace] Honiton vs Withof

[ann.humphreys]

What is the difference between Honiton and Withof lace?

I have asked this question on a lacemaking facebook page after someone showed a 
lovely piece of Withof that looked like Honiton but nobody seems to know the 
answer.  
Ann
UK

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