[lace] Is it a rib?

[Tamara P. Duvall]

Gentle Spiders,
First of all, thanks to everyone who's participated so far. *Please*, 
keep them coming;  I've been giving my printer a serious workout, but I 
think/hope other people might be interested in the results as well. 
Just the relationship between carrying pairs and the 3-D effect is 
fascinating (for example, it seems that in Honiton, 3-D is a secondary, 
but in Withof, the primary aim); the inherent possibilities for modern 
lace are staggering. More than I'd hoped for already, but I'm greedy - 
may we hear from France? And Germany? Spain? Denmark?

On Jan 21, 2005, at 3:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jacquie) wrote:
A rib or ten stick has pin holes along one edge (worked as an exchange 
pair
edge) and a turning stitch at the opposite side.  There are different 
turning
stitches; the least bulky is to work to the turn, twist the worker and 
leave it
and return with the last pair passed through.
OK; this is the version I'd like to concentrate on, because it's both 
simple and versatile, and the one I invariably turn to, when I want a 
graceful curve, with some shape to it, but without too many pins. It's 
a half-tape, as it were...

Please, re-read Jacquie's description carefully, because I'd like to 
throw in a couple of monkey wrenches for your consideration... :)

Monkey wrench #1: What if...
On the pin-side, you don't do the sewing footside (pin under both 
pairs), but a winkie pin one instead - twist your worker pair (1, 2, 
3 times; whatever's your preference), and work it back through the last 
passive on the inner curve, twist, leave, pick up the 
last-worked-through passive pair as your new worker, and scuttle back 
to the pin-side...

Is it *still* a rib? And, BTW, you could have an 8-stick that way... :)
Monkey wrench #2: What if...
*All* the descriptions of rib (here and in Cook) presuppose that the 
worker pair moves in CTC - cloth/linen stitch. That's what I'm familiar 
with, that's what I've always done...

But there's also that precocious darling to consider - the *half* 
stitch... It fills in spaces better than the cloth stitch does (about 
half the number of pairs are needed to cover the same width), if 
needfull, but is agreeable to being squeezed to a minimum (possibly 
more so than cloth stitch). Therefore, its possibilities and impact are 
at least twice as much as those of a cloth-stitch rib (whichever 
footside one uses on the pin-side)

You scuttle from the pin to the inner curve, leave your worker (no need 
to twist, since a twist is part-and-parcel of hst), pick up the last 
passive pair, and scuttle back to the pin (of whichever kind). The 
principle (technique) of execution doesn't (much) differ from the 
traditional rib, though the implications and possibilities are beyond 
mind-boggling rich...

But, is it *still* a rib?
And, *no*... I *did not* think of it first, alas... :(
I first came accross it in Cathy Belleville's Rosa Libre class in 
Ithaca, in early October of '04. But it's been on my mind ever since, 
and even indulging myself in some experimentation has not been enough 
to rid me of the awe... It's like following a well-mapped and 
smoothly-paved road and, suddenly, coming up to a roundabout, which 
offers more shooting off options than a 4th of July rocket :)

I aways knew that Rosa Libre was revolutionary, but this particular 
little fragment of it has had my two brain-cells revolving at twice the 
speed (and making it hard to think of anything else... like pattern 
deadlines g).

So In y'all's opinion... *Is* it a rib?
And, a corollary question: is it something you've come accross before? 
If so, where? (please answer on the list)

Yours, in freezing Lextropolis, where we're expecting a second dump of 
snow (but mixed with sleet and freezing rain this time)

--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
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[lace] Is it a rib

[Laceandbits]

In response to Tamara

   There are different turning stitches; the least bulky is to work to the 
turn, twist the worker and leave it and return with the last pair passed 
through.
OK; this is the version I'd like to concentrate on, because it's both 
simple and versatile, and the one I invariably turn to, when I want a 
graceful curve, with some shape to it, but without too many pins. It's 
a half-tape, as it were...



In looks, the other turning stitches are the same, the only reason for using 
one in preference to the others is that they fill the edge better and give 
more support to a straighter rib.



Monkey wrench #1: What if...
On the pin-side, you don't do the sewing footside (pin under both pairs), 
but a winkie pin one instead - twist your worker pair (1, 2, 3 times; 
whatever's your preference), and work it back through the last passive on the 
inner 
curve, twist, leave, pick up the last-worked-through passive pair as your new 
worker, and scuttle back to the pin-side...

Is it *still* a rib? And, BTW, you could have an 8-stick that way... :)



If you take the Honiton definition, no, but then they never thought of doing 
it any other way.
You can do an 8-stick with the exchange pair edge, or up to as many as you 
want.  I did a 40-plus-stick in a piece of Withof.  Was that still a rib?  

With a winkie pin edge it would be more difficult to do sewings as the pin 
holes tend to close up on ribs, because they're not tensioned from the other 
edge.

And if you don't want to do sewings, then have the pins in the centre and a 
turning stitch on both sides, then you can have a 6-stick if you do the cloth 
stitch through and back with the same pair edge.



Monkey wrench #2: What if...
*All* the descriptions of rib (here and in Cook) presuppose that the worker 
pair moves in CTC - cloth/linen stitch. That's what I'm familiar with, that's 
what I've always done...
But there's also that precocious darling to consider - the *half* stitch... 
It fills in spaces better than the cloth stitch does (about half the number of 
pairs are needed to cover the same width), if needfull, but is agreeable to 
being squeezed to a minimum (possibly 
more so than cloth stitch).


I read about this with interest last time you mentioned it after Ithaca, and 
haven't tried it yet, *but*..
I can see that it would fit into a tighter space, and that in a thicker 
thread it would have an interesting texture; what I don't understand is how it 
spreads out enough to look at all like half stitch without the support of a pin 
on 
the opposite side.  Surely the returning pair will close the half stitch up, 
and even with subtle tensioning it will be difficult to maintain an open 
enough stitch for it to show as half stitch.   And when it's a rib without the 
stretch from the second row of pins, I don't understand how half the pairs 
fill 
the same space.  

It obviously must be pretty special for you to be so excited about it, so 
bobbins out and sample needed.

Jacquie

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