[lace] Lace Terms

2014-05-20 Thread L. E. Weiss
Years ago a friend asked, based on the term "seamstress", if "lacestress" was
the right title for a lacemaker.  I told her that was a very accurate term
sometimes.
Lorraine in Albany, NY
taking stock of each new blooming plant, even those dandelions

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RE: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet

2008-01-12 Thread J. Falkink
Spiders 

It appeared that the public version of the lace Glossary (the one that
should visible without a google account) didn't reflect the latest updates.
I tried to fix that. It is available in the following formats:

HTML (to view online) 
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pqBZkXTYrukMmT23E8JxQVQ

Text with tabs (for those who whant to copy it into a spread sheet)
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pqBZkXTYrukMmT23E8JxQVQ&output=txt&gi
d=0

CSV
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pqBZkXTYrukMmT23E8JxQVQ&output=csv&gi
d=0
PDF
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pqBZkXTYrukMmT23E8JxQVQ&output=pdf
RSS
http://spreadsheets.google.com/feeds/list/o04880260658704422568.614758604926
2309158/od6/public/basic?alt=rss

Jo

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Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet

2008-01-10 Thread Brenda Paternoster

Hi Achim

Threads for Lace is actually a Word document plus a couple of Adobe 
Illustrator files, and the Addenda lists are html tables. It's never 
been in a spreadsheet format.


Would a scan of text put into an Excel document be searchable/sortable? 
 Presumably you'd need OCR software.


I have a little program (free from somewhere on the web I think) called 
Book2Pod which lets you put Word docs onto an iPod but because it's 
such a big file it splits it into 'chapters' which have absolutely 
nothing to do with the chapters in the book! so finding the right page 
is rather hit or miss.  Consequently I don't use it, even though it's 
there to look at on my iPod.  I also have a copy of the Word file on 
the iPod hard drive - not to mention the CD, memory stick and website 
back-ups!


Brenda

I wish there was a sheet like this for e.g. Brenda's thread sizes ... 
in
fact I think of scanning it and put it into a spreadsheet (for 
personal use

only, of course).



Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

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Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet

2008-01-09 Thread bevw
Thinking in terms of portability - e.g. having the reference at hand when at
a lace meeting, the paper reference is at least portable even if so, like,
passé (but I like my sticky-noted, bookmarked, well-thumbed thread
companion!)...

I don't have one, don't know how they work, but think there might be
potential - for storing the information in a Blackberry device?
If so, I might want one ~

On Jan 9, 2008 9:32 AM, Achim Siebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> I don't want to make it larger - I'd like to have it as an excel sheet on
> my
> computer monitor, which sit's next to the lace pillow on my desk. Sortable
> by w/cm (like in the back of the book) and extendable by me.
>
> I also use a virtual notebook for scraps of information. With the fast
> searching computers do it's easier than flipping through real paper (which
> is sooo last millenium anyway ;-)). Which has of course some downsides -
>


--
Bev  (near Sooke, BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)

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Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet

2008-01-09 Thread Achim Siebert
2008/1/9, C Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Brenda's book is already magnificent isn't it?
> Rather than add more to make the little volume larger,  why not do this:


I don't want to make it larger - I'd like to have it as an excel sheet on my
computer monitor, which sit's next to the lace pillow on my desk. Sortable
by w/cm (like in the back of the book) and extendable by me.

I also use a virtual notebook for scraps of information. With the fast
searching computers do it's easier than flipping through real paper (which
is sooo last millenium anyway ;-)). Which has of course some downsides -
like when I came back from christmas holidays my Mac refused to turn on and
those documents ar inaccessible to me for now ...

Best, Achim.

I keep a notebook of "working" sheets such as the glossary and other goodies
> near by working area at all times.  Hole punch and plastic sleeves make it
> last even longer because in plastic sleeves I resist the urge to mark on
> the
> pages.  It has ideas for enlarging or reducing patterns from arachnids,
> thread
> hints, stitch techniques, as well as other suggestions I feel I just
> cannot
> live without.
>

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Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet

2008-01-09 Thread C Johnson
Brenda's book is already magnificent isn't it?
Rather than add more to make the little volume larger,  why not do this:

I keep a notebook of "working" sheets such as the glossary and other goodies
near by working area at all times.  Hole punch and plastic sleeves make it
last even longer because in plastic sleeves I resist the urge to mark on the
pages.  It has ideas for enlarging or reducing patterns from arachnids, thread
hints, stitch techniques, as well as other suggestions I feel I just cannot
live without.

It also hold Project sheets, that tell what I have made and how, photos and
who I gave the finished project to.  Those are moved to a final notebook for
lace projects.

Notebook leans again the leg of my light table.

Susie Johnson
Morris, IL
  - Original Message -
  From: Achim Siebert
  To: Lace
  Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet


  Clay, the book you mention seems out of print. How about making the online
  sheet less basic by using your sources? ;-)
  I see lots of advantages: the internet is (or will be soon) available
  anywhere, anytime (thinking of e.g the iPhone), so you dont have to take a
  book with you. And you don't have to buy it in the first place. It will
  never be outdated, but continuously revised and kept up to date.

  I wish there was a sheet like this for e.g. Brenda's thread sizes ... in
  fact I think of scanning it and put it into a spreadsheet (for personal use
  only, of course).

  Best, Achim.

  2008/1/9, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  >
  > Hi everyone -
  >
  > This has been an interesting thread, but I admit that my foggy brain is
  > not quite able to understand the advantage here...
  >
  > I have a copy of the "International Lace Dictionary" (Spee, van den
  > Kieboom, Coene) 1998.  It is far more comprehensive than the spread
sheet,
  > and of course the terms can be searched through 16 languages.  I don't
quite
  > understand the advantage of the Google spreadsheet, unless it is meant to
  > augment the Lace Dictionary.  (But so far, the words are all relatively
  > basic...)
  >
  > I do love the potential for adding and editing,  and can see that there
  > are words in many languages which can have different connotations
depending
  > on how they're used.  The spreadsheet could possibly address these
quirks.
  > Should there be a section on conjugations? (always my weakness!)
  >
  > My hat is off to Jo and Achim for all the work they've been willing to do
  > for the rest of us!
  >
  > Clay
  > --
  > Clay Blackwell
  > Lynchburg, VA USA
  >

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Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet

2008-01-09 Thread Achim Siebert
No problem, Sue! And not fatal at all - life is fatal!

I also make bobbin lace since 18 months only now, before that I did some
knitted lace (and socks of course), crocheting, and I tried filet work, some
tatting etc. etc.

Best, Achim.

2008/1/9, Sue Duckles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Ooops. Sorry Achim!!  (Am I forgiven???)
>
> Thanks for that Agnes!!
>
> Sue
> On 9 Jan 2008, at 13:04, Agnes Boddington wrote:
>
> > Hi Sue
> > Fatal mistake there: Achim is a man!
>
> > Agnes Boddington - Ellougthon (a bit of watery sun at the moment) UK
> >

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Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet

2008-01-09 Thread Achim Siebert
Clay, the book you mention seems out of print. How about making the online
sheet less basic by using your sources? ;-)
I see lots of advantages: the internet is (or will be soon) available
anywhere, anytime (thinking of e.g the iPhone), so you dont have to take a
book with you. And you don't have to buy it in the first place. It will
never be outdated, but continuously revised and kept up to date.

I wish there was a sheet like this for e.g. Brenda's thread sizes ... in
fact I think of scanning it and put it into a spreadsheet (for personal use
only, of course).

Best, Achim.

2008/1/9, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi everyone -
>
> This has been an interesting thread, but I admit that my foggy brain is
> not quite able to understand the advantage here...
>
> I have a copy of the "International Lace Dictionary" (Spee, van den
> Kieboom, Coene) 1998.  It is far more comprehensive than the spread sheet,
> and of course the terms can be searched through 16 languages.  I don't quite
> understand the advantage of the Google spreadsheet, unless it is meant to
> augment the Lace Dictionary.  (But so far, the words are all relatively
> basic...)
>
> I do love the potential for adding and editing,  and can see that there
> are words in many languages which can have different connotations depending
> on how they're used.  The spreadsheet could possibly address these quirks.
> Should there be a section on conjugations? (always my weakness!)
>
> My hat is off to Jo and Achim for all the work they've been willing to do
> for the rest of us!
>
> Clay
> --
> Clay Blackwell
> Lynchburg, VA USA
>

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Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet

2008-01-09 Thread Sue Duckles

Ooops. Sorry Achim!!  (Am I forgiven???)

Thanks for that Agnes!!

Sue
On 9 Jan 2008, at 13:04, Agnes Boddington wrote:


Hi Sue
Fatal mistake there: Achim is a man!
I agree with you though, I too thank them for their efforts, and I  
have never heard of the booklet that Clay mentioned.

Is this still available and where?
Agnes Boddington - Ellougthon (a bit of watery sun at the moment) UK

Sue Duckles wrote:





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Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet

2008-01-09 Thread Agnes Boddington

Hi Sue
Fatal mistake there: Achim is a man!
I agree with you though, I too thank them for their efforts, and I have 
never heard of the booklet that Clay mentioned.

Is this still available and where?
Agnes Boddington - Ellougthon (a bit of watery sun at the moment) UK

Sue Duckles wrote:





Hi All

I have to admit that I have copied it onto my computer!!  I haven't  
got the advantage of the book that Clay has!! (I didn't even know one  
existed until just now!!!)  The first book I bought was written in  
Dutch, fortunately an english translation came with it.


The spreadsheet is extremely useful to those of us who haven't 'been  
making lace since forever' (I've only been making lace just over  
12 months, and very part time at that!)


So, THANKS girls.  You are BRILLIANT!!




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Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet

2008-01-09 Thread Sue Duckles




Hi All

I have to admit that I have copied it onto my computer!!  I haven't  
got the advantage of the book that Clay has!! (I didn't even know one  
existed until just now!!!)  The first book I bought was written in  
Dutch, fortunately an english translation came with it.


The spreadsheet is extremely useful to those of us who haven't 'been  
making lace since forever' (I've only been making lace just over  
12 months, and very part time at that!)


So, THANKS girls.  You are BRILLIANT!!

Sue in East Yorkshire


Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:14:53 +
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet

Hi everyone -

This has been an interesting thread, but I admit that my foggy brain  
is not quite able to understand the advantage here...


I have a copy of the "International Lace Dictionary" (Spee, van den  
Kieboom, Coene) 1998.  It is far more comprehensive than the spread  
sheet, and of course the terms can be searched through 16  
languages.  I don't quite understand the advantage of the Google  
spreadsheet, unless it is meant to augment the Lace Dictionary.   
(But so far, the words are all relatively basic...)


I do love the potential for adding and editing,  and can see that  
there are words in many languages which can have different  
connotations depending on how they're used.  The spreadsheet could  
possibly address these quirks.  Should there be a section on  
conjugations? (always my weakness!)


My hat is off to Jo and Achim for all the work they've been willing  
to do for the rest of us!


Clay
- --
Clay Blackwell
Lynchburg, VA USA



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Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet

2008-01-09 Thread clayblackwell
Hi everyone -

This has been an interesting thread, but I admit that my foggy brain is not 
quite able to understand the advantage here...

I have a copy of the "International Lace Dictionary" (Spee, van den Kieboom, 
Coene) 1998.  It is far more comprehensive than the spread sheet, and of course 
the terms can be searched through 16 languages.  I don't quite understand the 
advantage of the Google spreadsheet, unless it is meant to augment the Lace 
Dictionary.  (But so far, the words are all relatively basic...)

I do love the potential for adding and editing,  and can see that there are 
words in many languages which can have different connotations depending on how 
they're used.  The spreadsheet could possibly address these quirks.  Should 
there be a section on conjugations? (always my weakness!)

My hat is off to Jo and Achim for all the work they've been willing to do for 
the rest of us!

Clay
--
Clay Blackwell 
Lynchburg, VA USA 


-- Original message -- 
From: "Jean Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Ah, but I can't edit because I don't have, and don't want, a Google account 
> (to add to all the other accounts already have) so I don't get the File popup 
> menu. There's no point as I can't add or change anything as I only speak 
> English. 
> 
> I might want to sort by any one of the columns though if I have a book in a 
> foreign language, which is why I'd want to download it. 
> 
> Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Achim Siebert 
> To: Lace 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:02 AM 
> Subject: Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet 
> 
> 
> If you can edit the spreadsheet (depends on the browser you use - it works 
> with IE and Firefox), then you'll see a File popup menu on the top left - 
> in 
> there you'll find "Export" to lots of file formats (text, Excel sheet, PDF 
> ...). This saves the whole sheet directly to your machine. 
> 
> Best, Achim. 
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Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet

2008-01-09 Thread Jean Nathan
Ah, but I can't edit because I don't have, and don't want, a Google account
(to add to all the other accounts already have) so I don't get the File popup
menu. There's no point as I can't add or change anything as I only speak
English.

I might want to sort by any one of the columns though if I have a book in a
foreign language, which is why I'd want to download it.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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  From: Achim Siebert
  To: Lace
  Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet


  If you can edit the spreadsheet (depends on the browser you use - it works
  with IE and Firefox), then you'll see a File popup menu on the top left -
in
  there you'll find "Export" to lots of file formats (text, Excel sheet, PDF
  ...). This saves the whole sheet directly to your machine.

  Best, Achim.

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Re: [lace] Lace terms spread sheet

2008-01-09 Thread Achim Siebert
If you can edit the spreadsheet (depends on the browser you use - it works
with IE and Firefox), then you'll see a File popup menu on the top left - in
there you'll find "Export" to lots of file formats (text, Excel sheet, PDF
...). This saves the whole sheet directly to your machine.

Best, Achim.

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[lace] Lace terms spread sheet

2008-01-09 Thread Jean Nathan
Bearing in mind that some Arachne members are still on dial-up, I decided to 
copy the spreadsheet so it could sort off line. I don't have Excel, but I do 
have Microsoft Works and used the spreadsheet in that.



However I had to play a bit to get it to work. Copying the whole lot from

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pqBZkXTYrukMmT23E8JxQVQ&[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]&t=5765486941258740544&guest

just put each line into the left hand spreadsheet column, and I had no 
success copying smaller vertical sections of it straight into the 
spreadsheet.


But when I copied about a third of it at a time into either Works word 
processor or Word, the table lines around the entries showed. When I then 
turned on 'show formatting', it showed that the spread sheet is split into 
several sections vertically (intentional or not?). I could then successfully 
copy each vertical section into Works Spreadsheet and save it to play with 
as I want.


Does mean the process would have to be gone through again as it's updated to 
use it this way, but still less costly if you pay by the minute to use the 
internet.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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Re: [lace] Lace terms or definitions aplenty ;)

2006-03-15 Thread robinlace
From: Jane Partridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Likewise we have got a reporter hooked, but why sort out "special"
> equipment - I gave up having a separate pillow long ago, and now when
> demonstrating those (of any age) who want to have a go do so on the
> piece I am working at the time - 

The reason I use a separate pillow is that I've had so many people who 
refuse to try it because they're so afraid they'll mess it up.  All my 
assurances about how easy it is to undo have no effect on those 
people.  But when I say this isn't going to be anything, it's meant to 
be messed up by beginners, then they will give it a try.

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
(formerly  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
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Re: [lace] Lace terms or definitions aplenty ;)

2006-03-15 Thread bevw
On 3/15/06, Jane Partridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> , bevw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>
> > It is easy for the newcomer to be
> >confused.
> >
>  if you have a knitter, explaining that each pair
> of threads/bobbins is virtually the equivalent of one of their stitches,

Our news reporter figured that out right away (being a knitter) - but
she did ask that we simplify our explanations, there being a lot of
information to absorb. We had very little time because she would be
leaving for another assignment.

>  but why sort out "special"
> equipment -

This I have done (letting them work on my pillow) if my pattern is
reasonably simple. It is also nice for a newcomer to have the chance
to work quietly  on the have-a-go setup, once we have the basics
sorted out - and often my patterns of choice tend to be quirky. If I
would be sharing my pillow, as it were, I would have a Brugges flower
work pattern on it.

One of my local lace groups has a permanent try-sie pillow which
attends demos with the lacemakers. The same short bit of tape lace has
been worked, undone and reworked countless times. The bobbins are
'beginner' variety but nice to handle (actually have developed their
own patina from many hands using them!), and the thread is a pearl
cotton 5, has withstood the handling as well.

> In class, yes, my beginners do work a bandage - starting with half

I don't start with the bandage any more - I now start with a plait,
then assign a small piece using two plaits or depending on the person,
the 'eternelle' stitch so that right away they have something lacey
that they have made. I take it from there depending on their skill,
whether we do a bandage, adapt the 'eternelle' with a sewing edge, or
go to experimenting with grounds. One of my students never did make
the bandage - she liked the idea that the plaits could be adjoined
like a macramé knot fringe, then we did Torchon ground, added tallies,
the sewing edge and picots. She figured out the CTC and CT trails
later when the elements were in an edging pattern. My beginners are
mostly retirees whose puzzle-solving skills are well honed from doing
other work. They then discovered they were lacemakers ;)

('eternelle' - I don't know it by any other name - with two sets of
two pairs one beside the other, *work CTCT, pin, CTCT  with both, CTCT
the middle pairs to change 'weavers' repeat from * down a pricking of
two columns of vertical dots like the 6 dots below).
.  .
.  .
.  .
--
Bev in Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins  www.woodhavenbobbins.com
blogging lace at www.looonglace.blogspot.com

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[lace] Lace terms or definitions aplenty ;)

2006-03-15 Thread Jane Partridge
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
, bevw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes

> It is easy for the newcomer to be
>confused.
>
But it is also very easy for us to assume they have little or no
intelligence! In fact, if you have a knitter, explaining that each pair
of threads/bobbins is virtually the equivalent of one of their stitches,
and how many stitches do they have on the back of a jumper without
batting an eyelid they soon lose their fear of the numerous bobbins
(anything more than a dozen appears numerous at first) and recognise
that it is one stitch at a time.

>The other day, at a lace club meeting a reporter was present. We gave
>her the quickest lesson possible. We had bobbins, thread and pillows
>handy but none set up as a 'have-a-go' pillow. One lacemaker cut
>thread off a spool of linen and wound bobbins, another truffled around
>to find an empty pillow, and large-headed pins. 

Likewise we have got a reporter hooked, but why sort out "special"
equipment - I gave up having a separate pillow long ago, and now when
demonstrating those (of any age) who want to have a go do so on the
piece I am working at the time - in the case of the reporter, a trail in
my "petticoat lace" (the edging I am making, adapted from one of the
first set of patterns from Retournac - about 20 inches to go!) - a few
years ago, Paul, one of the local newspaper photographers, succeeded in
making a square of Roseground. Explaining that all of the stitches are
made up of combinations of just two moves, and showing them first, most
can cope with any stitch sequence under close supervision, and feel that
they have actually made lace, rather than the "nothing like lace" strip
of bandage. A few weeks ago whilst demonstrating, two girls (aged 9 and
10) worked about an inch or so of the half stitch section of teddy bear
I was working on - taking it in turns to do a couple of rows each.

In class, yes, my beginners do work a bandage - starting with half
stitch with a cloth & twist edge, simply two moves, now do those two
moves twice and pin. Then we go on to cloth stitch, and finally cloth
and twist - explaining that they are going from two to three to four,
and using coloured, often sparkly, threads. Making sure that one pair
stays straight at the edge (hence the cloth & twist at first) gives you
a gathering thread, this can then, once the piece is removed from the
pillow, be used to gather the lace into a rosette which can be mounted
in a coaster. Starting with half stitch and moving on to cloth and cloth
& twist also has the advantage of preventing the horror of "I'm doing it
wrong" which occurs when those who have learnt cloth first realise they
only have one worker in half stitch. You have the chance to explain the
difference before it happens, when they move from half to cloth. 

Once you explain that there is nothing in lace that cannot be undone if
it is not right, they lose some of the fear - there are no knots to tie,
so if they make a mistake it isn't a disaster. 
-- 
Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Lace terms or definitions aplenty ;)

2006-03-15 Thread bevw
On 3/15/06, The Browns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> to  explain how to work a stitch...

The word 'stitch' is even ambiguous! Hardly a 'stitch' is taken in
making bobbin lace, in sewing terms. Like knitting and crochet, the
'stitch' is a complete set of movements, but unlike them, not
performed with a 'hook or needle'. It is easy for the newcomer to be
confused.

>
> Oh! for  a pillow to demonstrate with.  I don't think there is another
> craft ,other than  lace, where it is easier and quicker to show a

Yes!
The other day, at a lace club meeting a reporter was present. We gave
her the quickest lesson possible. We had bobbins, thread and pillows
handy but none set up as a 'have-a-go' pillow. One lacemaker cut
thread off a spool of linen and wound bobbins, another truffled around
to find an empty pillow, and large-headed pins. All the time the
reporter scribbled notes as we talked. We (I) demonstrated how to make
a plait, then she worked it. She had never handled  linen thread
before (let alone bobbins - but she was a natural) and remarked on its
stiffness - then we discussed why linen was traditionally used (a
whole 'nother topic - how do you cover history, preferences,
industrial applications and agriculture in a sentence or two). She
left with a small plaited triangle and quite a story.

When we 'taught' her to plait, we gave numbers to the bobbins,
re-numbering them after each move. I did not even go into the 'cross'
and 'twist' terms for even those are ambiguous to the newcomer! It is
only in lace that either have a right-left/left-right directional
meaning!!!
--
Bev in Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins  www.woodhavenbobbins.com
blogging lace at www.looonglace.blogspot.com

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[lace] Lace terms or definitions

2006-03-15 Thread The Browns
The one thing that no-one has mentioned in all the discussion going on  
so far,is where do you start when you have a beginner to whom you wish 
to  explain how to work a stitch
There you are with your threads wounds onto the bobbins in pairs and you 
are going to work a bandage.   Regardless of working L to R and R to L, 
the beginner has to be told that a)you always count 1-4 from the left, 
or CT etc from the left as well; b)  if using numbers for the threads 
then they must be told to renumber  after each move until the stitch has 
been worked :- CT, CTC, CTCT; and c) that you always number L-R 
regardless of the direction you are working.
As a practice piece let them work a few rows of cloth/whole st. starting 
the stitches. on the 1st row counting from L-R,  on the 2nd  counting 
R-L and let them see the effect this has on the appearence of the work 
i.e the weaving has not worked properly.


Oh! for  a pillow to demonstrate with.  I don't think there is another 
craft ,other than  lace, where it is easier and quicker to show a 
beginner what to do than sitting down at the pillow with them .  Trying 
to put into words concisely and clearly what one is trying to say is so 
hard.
I'm now going to sit down at my pillow, put a few pins into the scarf I 
am making and enjoy the spring sunshine with the window open a little.

Sheila in Sawbo'

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RE: [lace] Lace Terms

2004-09-03 Thread Panza, Robin
>>>From: Patricia Ann Fisher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
a bobbin lace project that was a mix of Beds, Cluny and Torchon. He called
it Bastard Lace! <<<

A kinder term, if someone has trouble with this one, is "Hybrid Lace".

Robin P.
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA
http://www.pittsburghlace.8m.com/

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[lace] Lace Terms

2004-09-03 Thread Patricia Ann Fisher
I've been following the talk about lace terms and one thing that comes to my
mind is something my lace guru, Carl Newman, called a bobbin lace project that
was a mix of Beds, Cluny and Torchon. He called it Bastard Lace! Although it
is an unkind term to use with people ;-) I think it can cover a territory when
talking about patterns that use a little bit of this technique and a bit of
that. The pattern in question is one that Springetts sold that used 60 pairs
of bobbins to make this enormous corner on a edging that also has tons of
leaves! Took me a long time to finish that project!

Trish in West Virginia

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