[lace] Mixing fibres and gimp question
In message <654178.80006...@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, Dona Bushong writes My first question concerns the thread. The pattern calls for Egyptian Cotton 80/2. As I said though, I'm putting this on linen. Does one usually mix fibers for the lace and fabric? I know from knitting and spinning that mixing of fibers can give different results when it comes to laundering. And as I hope this will get passed down from my daughters to their children, will the different fibers age differently? I'm working a Bucks piece (a one-off, of my own design) at the moment and using linen thread which is at the thick end of comfortable for the grid - when I hit a slub it is hard going. (Yes, I know, I could have used a larger grid but I want a denser effect on this one, I also have reasons for the thread choice!). The particular thread (Texere's Galway Linen) behaves the same as DMC Broder Machine - untwists with the movement of the bobbins so I have to keep a constant watch that the threads are not about to fall apart on me (which has happened a couple of times). I personally prefer to use a glazed cotton for Bucks, but find the William Hall 80/2 cotton produces a good result without the untwisting problem. As a weaver, you will know that there is a difference in the "handle" of the finished lace between lace and linen - and the same will go for the robe itself. The amount of drape and creasing you want may be a deciding factor between the two fabrics. If the robe is likely to be used in a hot climate, then fine linen may be a good choice, but cotton fabric may be a lot easier to care for and may give a nicer feel against the baby's skin. Because you cannot expect to be there when your gr.gr.gr.gr grandchildren are using the robe, I would go for a match between fabric and lace threads, to make washing/care as easy as possible for someone who may not have our knowledge, and would definitely not add the hassle of having to remove the lace from the robe before washing, then put it back, to the schedule of a busy new mother who may not be the best of needlewomen! Handing down washing instructions with the robe is a good idea, as long as it is kept up to date with the availability of washing products over the next hundred-or-so years. We have two robes - one made from my mother-in-law's (cotton) wedding dress, worn by my husband and eldest daughter, and a smocked silk robe and bonnet I made for my younger daughter (before I started making lace). As for the effect of the gimp round the honeycomb, without seeing the pattern, I would work a small sample first, looking at the effect of doubling and stop-start, and decide which looks best. Double would at least mean that the threads are continuous, and less likely to come astray over the washings to come! -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Mixing fibres and gimp question
Hallo to all, hi Jane, that idea of handing down the washing instructions is a real marvelous idea i think it might be even a perfect part of the design why not embroider the washing instructions on the gown? I think it is a real good idea and a modern touch to the total work besides the problem of linnen or cotton you can always choose for a not 100% pure linnen or cotton if you whoose a halfmix you can overcome sometimes the problems of shrinking or deforming, that is in the first place the reason why they began making mixes of materials in the "old-days" plus if you take a mixed thread of linnen and other materials you have less and less nobs of "horrifying"linnen structures ... francis Jane Partridge schreef: In message <654178.80006...@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, Dona Bushong writes My first question concerns the thread. The pattern calls for Egyptian Cotton 80/2. As I said though, I'm putting this on linen. Does one usually mix fibers for the lace and fabric? I know from knitting and spinning that mixing of fibers can give different results when it comes to laundering. And as I hope this will get passed down from my daughters to their children, will the different fibers age differently? I'm working a Bucks piece (a one-off, of my own design) at the moment and using linen thread which is at the thick end of comfortable for the grid - when I hit a slub it is hard going. (Yes, I know, I could have used a larger grid but I want a denser effect on this one, I also have reasons for the thread choice!). The particular thread (Texere's Galway Linen) behaves the same as DMC Broder Machine - untwists with the movement of the bobbins so I have to keep a constant watch that the threads are not about to fall apart on me (which has happened a couple of times). I personally prefer to use a glazed cotton for Bucks, but find the William Hall 80/2 cotton produces a good result without the untwisting problem. As a weaver, you will know that there is a difference in the "handle" of the finished lace between lace and linen - and the same will go for the robe itself. The amount of drape and creasing you want may be a deciding factor between the two fabrics. If the robe is likely to be used in a hot climate, then fine linen may be a good choice, but cotton fabric may be a lot easier to care for and may give a nicer feel against the baby's skin. Because you cannot expect to be there when your gr.gr.gr.gr grandchildren are using the robe, I would go for a match between fabric and lace threads, to make washing/care as easy as possible for someone who may not have our knowledge, and would definitely not add the hassle of having to remove the lace from the robe before washing, then put it back, to the schedule of a busy new mother who may not be the best of needlewomen! Handing down washing instructions with the robe is a good idea, as long as it is kept up to date with the availability of washing products over the next hundred-or-so years. We have two robes - one made from my mother-in-law's (cotton) wedding dress, worn by my husband and eldest daughter, and a smocked silk robe and bonnet I made for my younger daughter (before I started making lace). As for the effect of the gimp round the honeycomb, without seeing the pattern, I would work a small sample first, looking at the effect of doubling and stop-start, and decide which looks best. Double would at least mean that the threads are continuous, and less likely to come astray over the washings to come! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 2/01/2009 13:10 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Mixing fibres and gimp question
This is primarily for Avital - just a quick question for my own information, but I thought others might also be interested I heard a program yesterday talking about the rules of Kosher with respect to fabric and it mentioned that linen and wool can not be mixed. One of the reasons given was that the Essenes (at Qumran) dressed only in linen because the invading Romans dressed in wool fabric. However, I'm sure the rules of Kosher regarding this was probably much, much earlier than that, and that the Essenes were actually just following the law. Also, during the Exodus they would have probably worn wool - they probably wouldn't have been able to grow a crop of flax in the dessert or taken the time to stay in one place for that long. To get to my question - does the mixing of thread only apply to linen and wool or does it apply to other threads? Would linen and cotton be ok because they are both 'plant' origin OR would wool and silk be ok because they are both 'animal' origin, but you couldn't mix cotton and silk any more than you can mix linen and wool? Malvary in Ottawa, Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Mixing fibres and gimp question
Applies only to linen and wool and primarily to garments. Sorry I don't have more time to go into it but it's right after Shabbat, so I have housework to do. No connection with the Essenes. Here's an essay I wrote long ago: http://www.angelfire.com/home/avital/technical2.html#woollinen Mixing other fibers is okay. Avital On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Malvary J Cole wrote: > This is primarily for Avital - just a quick question for my own information, > but I thought others might also be interested > > I heard a program yesterday talking about the rules of Kosher with respect > to fabric and it mentioned that linen and wool can not be mixed. One of the > reasons given was that the Essenes (at Qumran) dressed only in linen because > the invading Romans dressed in wool fabric. However, I'm sure the rules of > Kosher regarding this was probably much, much earlier than that, and that > the Essenes were actually just following the law. Also, during the Exodus > they would have probably worn wool - they probably wouldn't have been able > to grow a crop of flax in the dessert or taken the time to stay in one place > for that long. > > To get to my question - does the mixing of thread only apply to linen and > wool or does it apply to other threads? Would linen and cotton be ok > because they are both 'plant' origin OR would wool and silk be ok because > they are both 'animal' origin, but you couldn't mix cotton and silk any more > than you can mix linen and wool? > > Malvary in Ottawa, Canada > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
