Re: [lace] Symbols for elements

2003-10-13 Thread Ilske und Peter Thomsen
Dear Dina,
As far as I know only the sun and the moon are symbols between lots of
animals and the human beeing itself.
When we travelled Canada I bought a little booklet about this Indian Art
with the title "Looking at Indian Art of the Northwest Coast" from Hilary
Stewart. perhaps you could find this one. Eveything is wonderfull explained
in it.
Greetings Ilske

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Re: [lace] Symbols for elements

2003-10-13 Thread susan
i don't know of any canadian totem poll symbols for earth, air, water,
and fire, but if you want to use the keltic symbols for your totem
poll, it would be:  an eagle or bird for air, a bull for earth, a
dolphin, fish, or water nymph for water, and a dragon for fire. i hope
that helps even though i am sure that is not what you need.   good
luck.


--- Dina Lecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My lace class is making a group entry for the Lace Guild's "Myth &
> Mystery"
> competition and our piece is a freestanding totem pole.
> 
> Can any of our Canadian spiders tell me if the First Nations use
> symbols for
> earth, air, fire and water which would be used on totem poles and if
> so what
> they are, as I've looked on the net but can't find anything (maybe
> I'm
> looking in the wrong places) and our local UK library is not into
> things
> Canadian.
> 
> If there are such symbols and any of you knowledgeable spiders can
> send me
> drawings of them privately I would be most grateful.
> 
> Dina, who thanks you in advance for your help.
> 
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Re: [lace] Symbols for elements

2003-10-13 Thread H. Muth
Dina,

Here's another site about Haida art. Although other tribes have started
making totem poles the Haida on the west coast of what is now British
Columbia and Alaska were the first to do so.   This site actually tells
about design principles found in their art.  

http://www.mala.bc.ca/www/discover/educate/posters/hend1.htm

This is a very interesting site with lots of information about the poles.

http://users.imag.net/~sry.jkramer/nativetotems/default.html

The poles tell a story about the clan or their mythology.  And while we
think the 'top of the totem pole' is a good place to be, it is actually at
the bottom where the most important character is placed.  

Heather
Abbotsford, BC
No expert on Haida art but I've lived here for a long time.

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Re: [lace] Symbols for elements

2003-10-13 Thread Adele Shaak
On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 12:23 PM, Esther Perry wrote:

A quick reference to the book "Looking at Indian Art of the Northwest 
Coast"
by Hilary Stewart shows as design motifs many animals, the sun, the 
moon and
the human. No mention of the four elements. Nor have I ever heard 
stories
relating these.
Me neither. I've seen a fair number of totem poles and spent some time 
reading about Northwest Coast symbolism and legends, and I've never 
heard of such a thing. I think the First Nations don't see the world 
that way.

Adele
North Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)
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Re: [lace] Symbols for elements

2003-10-13 Thread Esther Perry
> Can any of our Canadian spiders tell me if the First Nations use symbols
for
> earth, air, fire and water which would be used on totem poles and if so
what
> they are, as I've looked on the net but can't find anything (maybe I'm
> looking in the wrong places) and our local UK library is not into things
> Canadian.

A quick reference to the book "Looking at Indian Art of the Northwest Coast"
by Hilary Stewart shows as design motifs many animals, the sun, the moon and
the human. No mention of the four elements. Nor have I ever heard stories
relating these. Our daughter-in-law is a (adopted) descendent of the famous
Mungo Martin, Charlie Jameson and Ellen Neel - totem carvers.

http://www.ravenpublishing.com/
Some good info here, check out the links at the bottom of the page.
(The Hunt family named on this page are related to the above named carvers).

http://www.davidmorgan.com/nwart.html
Although this is a 'selling' webpage, there are some good descriptions of
the various animals.

There are many more pages - found by typing in "Coast Indians art" in
google.

Hope this helps you
Greetings from Beautiful British Columbia
Esther Perry

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[lace] Symbols for elements

2003-10-13 Thread Dina Lecker
My lace class is making a group entry for the Lace Guild's "Myth & Mystery"
competition and our piece is a freestanding totem pole.

Can any of our Canadian spiders tell me if the First Nations use symbols for
earth, air, fire and water which would be used on totem poles and if so what
they are, as I've looked on the net but can't find anything (maybe I'm
looking in the wrong places) and our local UK library is not into things
Canadian.

If there are such symbols and any of you knowledgeable spiders can send me
drawings of them privately I would be most grateful.

Dina, who thanks you in advance for your help.

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