Re: [lace] TONDER LACE PINS
Hi Adele and Candy - It sounds like your lovely pins, Adele, are the same pins I use for Binche. Originally, I got them from Holly (Van Sciver) who sold them in small tubes of 150 pins per tube. And they *were* expensive, (especially since one tube is not enough for most projects!!) and of course the price went up as the exchange rate went against our favor. Then Susan Wenzel (Lacy Susan) found a supplier who could provide them less expensively, and they are my favorite pins now. They're still expensive, but they're packaged 300 per box for $14.50. The size is 38mm x 0.4mm. They're stainless, and they ARE lovely. It took me a while to get used to them... I bent quite a few at first! But now I rarely bend one, and they do make beautiful lace. I found that two boxes is enough for most projects, and I got a third box recently, to compensate for the pins I had bent. An alternative is to use insect pins, which are less expensive. They can be found in scientific supply companies and you'll find them if you google. They come in several sizes, and I actually used them before I discovered the stainless pins that Holly carries. Size 0 is equivalent to 38mm x 0.4mm, using Adele's measuring system. The insect pins I have are black enameled with little gold heads. They also bend easily, and one problem is that occasionally when they bend, the enamel flakes off and gets onto your lace. So I'd use those in a pinch, because the stainless are much better in my opinion. When I worked Tonder, I used the traditional Tonder bobbins and they are very pretty. But because of the bulb at the bottom, they take up a lot of room on the pillow, and you also have to learn how to manage lots of pairs, since it's almost essential that you stack them to one side when you're not using them. On the flip side, the bulb does keep those bobbins from being right on top of each other, so your fingers have no trouble getting the bobbin you mean to get... However, until you fall completely in love and decide that you're going to do nothing but Tonder for a long time, the midlands (or continentals) work just as well. (That's my pocket snake talking). Clay Adele Shaak wrote: I have googled and saw lots of pretty lace, a few bobbins and no definitions on the size of the pins. Generally Tonder uses very fine, long pins. I'm no Tonder expert, but I feel the finer pins are better because you use very fine thread and you often close your pins (ie, C-T-T, pin, C-T-T). If the pin is wider than two twists of the thread, then the thread starts having to go an extra distance to get around the pin, and the pin itself is changing the shape of your lace. I don't know if I've explained this very well - hope you understand what I'm getting at. But, if you're taking a beginner class, they might use a thicker thread (in the class I took at PNWC this June the beginners used size 120 thread; more advanced students used 160). If you're using the 120 cotton you might be perfectly happy with the normal fine lace pins of .55 mm or so. I used the 160 cotton at my class and I remember being glad that I had brought the very fine Tonder pins, which were already in my stash. Unfortunately I bought the pins a while back and I don't recall the brand name of the pin or what size they were. But, I just put some side by side and measured - 9 pins cover about 3.5 mm, so I guess they're about .4 mm each. Lovely pins. Wish I could get more, though I do recall they were very expensive! Hope this helps. And - if anybody recognizes these pins from the description I've given, and knows where I can get more, do let me know. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] TONDER LACE PINS
I just have a quick question or two. What type of bobbin is traditionally used for Tonder lace? Should I avoid spangled ones? What is the size of pins I should use?I have be trying to look before I go to class in case I have what I need. Thanks Candy PS I have googled and saw lots of pretty lace, a few bobbins and no definitions on the size of the pins. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] TONDER LACE PINS
Presumably the traditional bobbin is one of the continental styles with the rounded bottomshowever, I've successfully used ordinary spangled Midlands bobbins for Tonder for years. As for the pins, I use the same pins as I do for everything else - fine lace pins that I use for Bucks. Tonder doesn't have the sewings found in Honiton, for instance - and is to avoid catching the spangles on the threads during a sewing that Honiton-workers use a non-spangled bobbin. Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 October 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace] TONDER LACE PINS I just have a quick question or two. What type of bobbin is traditionally used for Tonder lace? Should I avoid spangled ones? What is the size of pins I should use?I have be trying to look before I go to class in case I have what I need. Thanks Candy PS I have googled and saw lots of pretty lace, a few bobbins and no definitions on the size of the pins. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] TONDER LACE PINS
Traditionally, the bobbins used in Denmark are the long ones with spherical knobs at the ends, usually beaded. However, you can use any continental or East Midlands bobbin that you like. Since there are virtually no sewings in Tonder lace, it's perfectly fine to use spangled bobbins, if that's your preference. If you're going to be doing a wide lace that uses many pairs of bobbins, you'd be smart to select something narrow, such as a Binche bobbin. For pins, I like 30 x .50 steel pins. For some interesting pictures of Tonder bobbins and lace, please take a look at http://lace.lacefairy.com/International/Denmark.html. For an interesting discussion about How to Select a Pin, go to http://www.vansciverbobbinlace.com/Pins.html and scroll down to that title, below the listing of pins. Enjoy your class! Barbara Joyce Snoqualmie, WA USA I just have a quick question or two. What type of bobbin is traditionally used for Tonder lace? Should I avoid spangled ones? What is the size of pins I should use?I have be trying to look before I go to class in case I have what I need. Thanks Candy PS I have googled and saw lots of pretty lace, a few bobbins and no definitions on the size of the pins. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] TONDER LACE PINS
I have googled and saw lots of pretty lace, a few bobbins and no definitions on the size of the pins. Generally Tonder uses very fine, long pins. I'm no Tonder expert, but I feel the finer pins are better because you use very fine thread and you often close your pins (ie, C-T-T, pin, C-T-T). If the pin is wider than two twists of the thread, then the thread starts having to go an extra distance to get around the pin, and the pin itself is changing the shape of your lace. I don't know if I've explained this very well - hope you understand what I'm getting at. But, if you're taking a beginner class, they might use a thicker thread (in the class I took at PNWC this June the beginners used size 120 thread; more advanced students used 160). If you're using the 120 cotton you might be perfectly happy with the normal fine lace pins of .55 mm or so. I used the 160 cotton at my class and I remember being glad that I had brought the very fine Tonder pins, which were already in my stash. Unfortunately I bought the pins a while back and I don't recall the brand name of the pin or what size they were. But, I just put some side by side and measured - 9 pins cover about 3.5 mm, so I guess they're about .4 mm each. Lovely pins. Wish I could get more, though I do recall they were very expensive! Hope this helps. And - if anybody recognizes these pins from the description I've given, and knows where I can get more, do let me know. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
