Re: [lace] Thresds
Black Chantilly laces from France and Belgium are made with black silk. The first one with silk which was dyed with something with a salt of iron (SO4) wich damage those laces after a while. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Thresds
Hi Devon I first heard about black lace being made white and then dyed at a talk given by Eunice Arnold in the 1980s and she was talking about thread lace, not silk. I have a piece of white kat stitch with a design and the half stitch areas that make me suspect it was intended to be dyed. I also have a piece of black Honiton. I have never tried making Honiton using black thread, I think taking sewings would be difficult. This is proving an interesting subject. Blow the dust Alex -Original Message- From: Devon Thein Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 5:09 PM To: David C COLLYER Cc: Anna Binnie ; Alex Stillwell ; lacelijst - Subject: Re: [lace] Thresds Alex writes: Because black is so difficult to work with, much of the black lace was made using white thread and subsequently dyed black. However, according to the Bobbins of Belgium, p. 296, "Grammont, or Chantilly lace is usually made of black silk thread". Also there is a footnote in Palliser in a paragraph dealing with Caen in Normandy, p. 199, "The silk came from Nankin by way of London or the East, the black silk called "grenadine" was dyed and prepared at Lyons, the thread was from Harlaam. Rola de la Platiere." Is there a particular example of lace made in white thread and dyed black? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Thresds
I visited Grammont many years ago to see Chantilly lace in the museum there - at least I think it was a museum, I do not remember clearly. But I do remember that we were told that the lace was made with black silk thread, and that the silk reacted badly to the dye, therefore the lace did not have a long life! I would like to have known what dye was used, but no one knew. Kathleen Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Thresds
Alex writes: Because black is so difficult to work with, much of the black lace was made using white thread and subsequently dyed black. However, according to the Bobbins of Belgium, p. 296, "Grammont, or Chantilly lace is usually made of black silk thread". Also there is a footnote in Palliser in a paragraph dealing with Caen in Normandy, p. 199, "The silk came from Nankin by way of London or the East, the black silk called "grenadine" was dyed and prepared at Lyons, the thread was from Harlaam. Rola de la Platiere." Is there a particular example of lace made in white thread and dyed black? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Thresds
G'day Friends, > > Because black is so difficult to work with, much of the black lace was > made using white thread and subsequently dyed black. Well I certainly have never found black any more difficult to work with than white so have trouble understanding this. David Downunder in Ballarat, AUS - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Thresds
Alex, what evidence is there for this statement. I'm not being difficult just interested in the processes of lacemaking Anna in a cold wet Sydney On 3/9/18 5:37 pm, Alex Stillwell wrote: Hi Arachnids Because black is so difficult to work with, much of the black lace was made using white thread and subsequently dyed black. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Thresds
Hi Arachnids Because black is so difficult to work with, much of the black lace was made using white thread and subsequently dyed black. Blow the dust Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
