[lace] more Honiton

2013-01-06 Thread Lorelei Halley
Robin and Susan
The weaver color dominates simply because there is more of it.  Look here for
an example.
http://lynxlace.com/images/r29o.jpg   Tensioning doesn't have anything to do
with it.
Lorelei

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Re: [lace] more Honiton - colour dominance

2013-01-06 Thread Beth Marshall
But (at least in torchon or other laces with a regular grid/pin spacing) 
in a cloth stitch area with all the passives the same colour, surely 
there will be almost the same amount of each colour thread in the 
finished block?


n passives doing 1 row each = 1 worker doing n rows

Beth
(Cheshire, NW England)

On 06/01/13 08:01, Lorelei Halley wrote:

Robin and Susan
The weaver color dominates simply because there is more of it.  Look here for
an example.
http://lynxlace.com/images/r29o.jpg   Tensioning doesn't have anything to do
with it.
Lorelei

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Re: [lace] more Honiton - colour dominance

2013-01-06 Thread Lorelei Halley

Beth
If you look at the photo in the link I gave you will see how the weaver 
color affects the appearance of each diamond or lozenge in cloth stitch. 
Even in half stitch, the weaver color, if consistent, dominates the color of 
the section.

http://lynxlace.com/images/17BLA8.JPG
http://lynxlace.com/images-h-det-diag/halfstitch.JPG
http://lynxlace.com/images/r29sql10.jpg
I am not talking about hypotheticals, but about affects that I have noticed 
after they happened.

Lorelei

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[lace] more Honiton the horns of a dilemma

2013-01-05 Thread hottleco
Hello All!  Egad, you would think with all these questions that I had never 
taken a class or consulted more than one text!  I do believe I've found every 
sticking point.  Is there a rationale for starting on the right side or left 
side when beginning at a point?  To help decide, should I count the pins before 
starting, thereby starting on the side with more pins?  I'm working on #2 
Ribbed Flower in the Lace Guild UK booklet  had to add a pin hole in two 
different spots to make it all work out on the first set of leaves.  Not what 
the designer had in mind, I'm sure!  Now that I'm on leaf #3 at the stem I've 
got the same issue.  So--if there's an uneven number of pins between two sides 
of a shape (in this case the leaf), should I make the 1st pin (after the point) 
on the longer side?  The ribbed flower is a cute little shape that I've 
enlarged so I can see what I'm doing (!!) plus work in color.  Which brings up 
the question, how do I change colors from my green ribbed (ten s!
 tick) stem to a flower color for the ribbed floral section?  Can I simply add 
 throw out in the same row in ten stick?  Oh dear, I'm well above my pay grade 
yet again, but I'd love to have a red flower!  If anyone can help, I'd 
appreciate suggestions.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Palm Beach Gardens, FL USA 

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[lace] more Honiton

2013-01-05 Thread Lorelei Halley
Susan
When starting a leaf at a point, usually one of the pins below the top point
pin will be a little closer to the top.  That is the direction to weave in for
your first row.  Some you weave to the left, some to the right.  Go for the
highest pin first.

Honiton technique was not intended for work in color, so the typical movements
don't account for color changes, just how to get from A to B.  That said,
there is no reason why you can't experiment and see what happens.  One thing
to remember is that when weaving a cloth stitch area, whichever bobbins serve
as the weavers will dominate the color appearance.  So if you have one or 2
passive pairs that are green, in a flower, they may not matter much.  So long
as your weaver and 2 edge pairs are petal colors (because these 3 take turns
as weavers) it won't matter so much what color the others are.  (There is a
piece at the Art Institute of Chicago which has plaid flowers because of this
fact.)

The other alternative is to abandon the idea of following the Honiton method
of trying to make threads move from the leaf into the flower.  Instead, work
each part as a separate unit and attach them by sewings.  Leaves and stems
could be one unit.  Flowers would each be their own unit.
Lorelei

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Re: [lace] more Honiton

2013-01-05 Thread robinlace
 Lorelei Halley lhal...@bytemeusa.com wrote: One thing
to remember is that when weaving a cloth stitch area, whichever bobbins serve
as the weavers will dominate the color appearance.  So if you have one or 2
passive pairs that are green, in a flower, they may not matter much.  So long
as your weaver and 2 edge pairs are petal colors (because these 3 take turns
as weavers) it won't matter so much what color the others are.  (There is a
piece at the Art Institute of Chicago which has plaid flowers because of this
fact.)-

It's not necessarily true that the weaver dominates the passives.  It depends 
on 
tensioning.  Whichever threads get pulled more tightly will be straighter, 
causing 
the threads going the other direction to be wavy (go up and down to get around 
the 
straight-line ones.  The wavy threads are more visible while the straight-line 
threads are pushed down below the wavy ones.

If you pull tightly on your passives and just ease the worker around the pin, 
the
passive colors will be less noticeable.  On the other hand, if you tug firmly 
on 
the worker/weaver at the pin while very gently straightening the passives, the 
passives will go up and down while the worker goes arrow-straight.  The passive 
color will then be dominant over the worker color.

Now, with Honiton-size threads you're not really tugging anything all that 
hard, 
but you can still exert some control over which threads (worker/weavers or 
passives)
dominate.

Another way to control whether passive color or worker color dominates is to 
vary
the thickness--a slightly thicker worker will dominate a slightly thinner 
passive, and vice versa.

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
robinl...@socal.rr.com

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