Ack!! I am going OT all of a sudden and wishing to blazes that I had an
English connection for genealogy. I have relatives that are named Casemore,
descended from William and Mary Casemore who came to Canada around 1780/1785
or thereabouts. We are convinced that even though they settled in Canada and
had Canadian citizenship, they probably arrived on a ship that came into
NY since there is a record of a Casemore being born in NY, around the time
that the eldest son was supposedly born. Legend has both son's born near
Toronto (and only one actual birth record of a Casemore being born from
that couple in Ontario) They had 2 sons. All Casemore's in North America
(Canada and the US) are supposed to be descended from that one couple.
Problem I have is trying to find out who they were related to in England.
They were disowned by the wife's family (she was higher in social status
than he was) He was their coachman. Her maiden name, handed down word of
mouth was Rider or Ryder. The story of how the blue blooded (probably
not...but possibly landed gentry or gentleman farmer?) Mary fell in love and
eloped with the coachman against daddy's wishes, is a favourite story in all
the Casemore families. (someone even published an Article which was
genealogical in nature that told the story of the Casemore's. The handme
down story in our immediate family (my great grandfather was a Casemore) was
that She was named Casemore or Castlemore and he was named Ryder or Rider
and they took her name since it was more genteel. I wish I could find a
marriage record for William Casemore and Mary Ryder/Rider, which would have
occurred in England. I am sure that the trip to Canada was due to them being
turned away by her family after they eloped. I am glad that I got a copy of
the publication from the Toronto paper. Anyone also know why someone going
to Ontario Canada from England in the latter 1700's would go into an
American port? Is the fact that they eloped and were married outside of
tradition, going to make it next to impossible to trace the ancestry?
Would Mary's family have destroyed any record of her being part of their
family? I don't know how scandals and being disowned in the late 1700s
in England were handled!!! I have found lots of Casemore's in
England...especially in the the lacemaking areas of England. I am wondering
if I could have actually be descended from a lacemaker. (Buckinghamshire and
Bedfordshire both seem to have records of Casemore's marrying and being
born.) None of the records I have seen are our William Casemore and
Mary...so far anyway. I am hampered by ancestor.com not having that much
available about English people that goes that far back...and would have gone
back 16 to 25 years further back to record births. Also not knowing the name
of the ship they sailed and from where they sailed from is another hampering
factor. England doesn't seem like that big of a place...it is no larger than
the State of Minnesota I live in, but obviously you still have a MAJOR area
to search since the church kept most records those days. I do know they were
Church of England.
Frustrated in America
Cearbhael
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From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of
Malvary J Cole
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:46 AM
To: Brian Lemin; Lace
Subject: Re: [lace] HIDE Bobbin
I had a quick look in Ancestry - there are several women with Hide as their
middle name but most of the use of Hide as a first name are men. I then
looked at those who were married to a husband named Hide, but couldn't see
any of them who were lacemakers.
I doubt that the women with middle name Hide would have a bobbin with that
name on with no sign of their first name.
It could well be the letters for a secret message: Happy I.. Dearest
Emily (couldn't think of an I word); or perhaps the initials of their 4
children: Henry, Irene, David, Elizabeth
Malvary in Ottawa where we have managed, so far, to miss all the big snow
dumps that have happened all around.
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