RE: [lace] RE: LAce history - US

[Carolyn Jeremy]

Yes, but at least we can all agree that Ipswich was ***not** in any of those
M states, it was and is in another M state -- Massachusetts!  VBG Anyway,
I hope that the thrust of the message got through, which should be to find
out what was happening in the area and time you represent if you are doing a
historical demonstration.

Regards,
Carolyn

Carolyn Hastings
Stow, MA USA 

Always geographically challenged! (but I do know I live in Massachusetts --
I think)



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 On Behalf Of Lynn Carpenter
 Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:24 PM
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 Subject: [lace] RE: LAce history - US
 
 
 John Slinn  Carolyn Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Either this suggestion (Native American lace), or even the 
 Montana lace 
 (at the Billings house) would be more appropriate than 
 Ipswich lace.  
 Ipswich lace was made only during a very narrow period, in a very 
 specific place.
 
 I'm pretty sure Michigan wasn't even settled by anyone except a very 
 few frontiers men (French -- but definitely not Ipswich lace 
 makers!) 
 during the 1790's-early 1800's.
 
 Wow!  First Minnesota, then Montana, and now Michigan!  I 
 know they all start with M  (actually, there are 8 US 
 states that start with M), but they are not all next to each other.
 
 Even if I started at the Michigan border, in New Buffalo, 
 where I could almost put my toe over the Indiana border, it 
 would be over 450 miles (724
 km) to drive to Minneapolis, Minnesota, from here.
 
 Don't forget, the US is a *big* place!
 
 Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA
 alwen at i2k dot com
 
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RE: [lace] RE: LAce history - US

[John Slinn Carolyn Hastings]

Dagmar,

Either this suggestion (Native American lace), or even the Montana lace (at
the Billings house) would be more appropriate than Ipswich lace.  Ipswich
lace was made only during a very narrow period, in a very specific place.
I'm pretty sure Michigan wasn't even settled by anyone except a very few
frontiers men (French -- but definitely not Ipswich lace makers!) during the
1790's-early 1800's.  In this context, it's easy to convey an inaccurate
impression.  Just by the fact that you represent an activity in an official
or semi-official capacity, people absorb what you're teaching them.  In this
case, not only lace, but the context in which it was made.

Sometimes we're so eager to spread our lace gospel that we disregard, at
some cost, the accuracy of our portrayal.  Someone once said to me that none
of this matters, since the story of history is always being revised anyway.
She thought that since there is no absolute historical truth, that accuracy
was unimportant.  Make up any story you like, in her opinion, it's all the
same -- entertainment, in essence.  I disagree.  I think it's worth the time
and effort to get it right.

Best regards,
Carolyn
Sometime-18th century reenactor 

Carolyn W. Hastings
Stow, MA USA



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 Dagmar,
 
 For general lace history in the US, you're looking at an 
 awfully big subject to research.  I'm glad you're trying to 
 perhaps (hopefully) narrow it to just Minnesota for now.
 
 Further to Jeri's suggestion of the Ipswich Lace Industry 
 book, there was also an article in PieceWork several years 
 ago on the laces made by Native Americans.  The reference is:
 
 Dwyer,M.  Sybil Carter's legacy:  Native American lace, in, 
 PieceWork 1(3), November-December 1994,  pp 66-71.
 
 Good luck with the demonstration and research.!
 
 Cheers,
 Helen, Aussie Libararian in Denver
 
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