RE: [!! SPAM] Re: [lace] USA
One must also keep in mind that there could be genuine cases of sellers not knowing what they are actually selling. What I mean is that a person could have been duped into purchasing for re-sale an item that he/she was told is handmade but doesn't understand enough to doubt, or having a family "heirloom" passed on and always being under the impression that it was handmade by some predecessor but not understanding enough to doubt it. So, to allow the seller to correct his/her description, perhaps whoever notices these things can write a corteous message to help correct any misconception. Having said all this, I have no doubt that there could also be those who knowingly try to dupe unsuspecting/unknowledgeable buyers. Karen in Malta -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Brenda Paternoster Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:43 AM To: Francis Busschaert Cc: lace@arachne.com Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [lace] USA On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:05, Francis Busschaert wrote: > I have an other question on this matter > > do sellers not have the OBLIGATION to tell the truth > that it is not handmade, machinemade, etcetcet > or is this obligation only a fague notion? I don't know about USA, but in UK (and probably all of EU) there is the Trade Descriptions Act which DOES require the seller to be honest about the description of the product. If you bought in UK from a UK seller something clearly described as "Chantilly" and when it arrived it clearly wasn't Chantilly, then with a lot of hassle you could/ should be able to get your money back. You'd have to get expert opinions and still have the proof of the original description - so better not to buy if in doubt. > > i have looked a bit further on ebay and i was ashamed for some of > these sellers to even try to pass on piecec whom are > so clearly machine lace trimmings as the real genuan product.. > even "vintage" was labeled on some To most Ebay sellers "vintage" just means not brand new. > > so i will drop my real question here and now > i m looking for a chantilly or blonde genuan/vintage nice and for > virtualy no money > i it need ot be as big as possible > because it i need it to be scanned and blown up to be used as a > print on textile afterwards You are asking a lot for virtually no money! But it depends on how big the piece you are going to scan needs to be. It might be that you will be able to find a big piece in a distressed condition - ie with some some small holes in it but with a big enough undamaged part to be able to use. > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the > line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachnemodera...@yahoo.com Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] USA
On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:05, Francis Busschaert wrote: I have an other question on this matter do sellers not have the OBLIGATION to tell the truth that it is not handmade, machinemade, etcetcet or is this obligation only a fague notion? I don't know about USA, but in UK (and probably all of EU) there is the Trade Descriptions Act which DOES require the seller to be honest about the description of the product. If you bought in UK from a UK seller something clearly described as "Chantilly" and when it arrived it clearly wasn't Chantilly, then with a lot of hassle you could/ should be able to get your money back. You'd have to get expert opinions and still have the proof of the original description - so better not to buy if in doubt. i have looked a bit further on ebay and i was ashamed for some of these sellers to even try to pass on piecec whom are so clearly machine lace trimmings as the real genuan product.. even "vintage" was labeled on some To most Ebay sellers "vintage" just means not brand new. so i will drop my real question here and now i m looking for a chantilly or blonde genuan/vintage nice and for virtualy no money i it need ot be as big as possible because it i need it to be scanned and blown up to be used as a print on textile afterwards You are asking a lot for virtually no money! But it depends on how big the piece you are going to scan needs to be. It might be that you will be able to find a big piece in a distressed condition - ie with some some small holes in it but with a big enough undamaged part to be able to use. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] USA
Pat Tinney wrote: My question is this: Are there any traditional techniques that have these short threads sticking out. I cannot tell about the eBay example, but on the ones in my church these are definitely single cut threads, not at all like a worker thread going around a pin. There are machine laces that are worked in large pieces that are meant to be cut apart. There are threads connecting the motifs, and this is where you cut them apart. This leaves little cut threads along the edges. There are also machine laces that are made by a sewing machine on a support material that is dissolved afterward. This often leaves a rough edge, from really tiny bits sticking out. The eBay lace has picots along the edge. These picots are a single thread looped out-and-back (the "mate" to the looping thread is used to hold the loop in place. Some handmade lace styles also use single-thread picots, so this is not, by itself, an indication of hand or machine manufacture. I agree with others that the eBay lace is machine-made. The solid areas should be cloth sttich (CTC) and look like weaving. Instead it looks vaguely like needle lace--rows of narrow up-and-down zigzags. This is machine-work. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] USA
This brings up a question that I have had on my mind for a while. I am new to the world of bobbin lace (a little over a year) and only a few years longer as a tatter. I am still trying to get a mental grip on all the various types (styles, techniques) of lace. I know that most, if not all, of the lace in my church is machine made. Some of it looks like the pattern was woven and a sizing used to hold it together. No twist, no cross, no knots. The one thing I have wondered about, that I also think I see in the eBay quasi-shawl is that on the edges little threads are sticking out. It is the existence of these threads that make me think that the lace in my church is a simple weave that is trimmed at the end of the manufacturing process. My question is this: Are there any traditional techniques that have these short threads sticking out. I cannot tell about the eBay example, but on the ones in my church these are definitely single cut threads, not at all like a worker thread going around a pin. Any information or resources would be most appreciated. Thank you, Pat T. -- From: "Brenda Paternoster" Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:58 PM To: "Francis Busschaert" Cc: Subject: Re: [lace] USA Hello Francis It's not Chantilly It's not hand made It's not even big enough to be a shawl. It is a machine made scarf - probably Leavers machine. Brenda On 6 Sep 2009, at 19:53, Francis Busschaert wrote: i m not an expert but if i see those fotograps my little alamr senors in my head say NOWAY that is not handmade but ùmachien lace i know there are some EXPERTS here enlighten me please the abay nr is ebay nr 110428639339 http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-SILK-BLONDE-CHANTILLY-LACE-SHAWL-HANDEMBR-8_W0QQitem Z110428639339QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b60f506b&_trksi d=p3286.c0.m14 Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] USA
Hello Francis It's not Chantilly It's not hand made It's not even big enough to be a shawl. It is a machine made scarf - probably Leavers machine. Brenda On 6 Sep 2009, at 19:53, Francis Busschaert wrote: > i m not an expert but if i see those fotograps my little alamr > senors in my head say NOWAY > that is not handmade but ùmachien lace > > i know there are some EXPERTS here > enlighten me please > > the abay nr is ebay nr 110428639339 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-SILK-BLONDE-CHANTILLY-LACE-SHAWL-HANDEMBR-8_W0QQitem Z110428639339QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b60f506b&_trksi d=p3286.c0.m14 Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] USA
> the abay nr is ebay nr 110428639339 I'm not an expert, so just my two cents: Could it be the gimps and seam are hand handembroidered? Jo - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] USA
Your thoughts are correct. It is machine made lace. Handmade lace names are often applied to the machine versions. The seller says very littlejust puts up lots of pictures so you can decide for yourself. He uses all the words he can think of to attract attention to the title. However, the 'handembroidered' term is not correct. Alice in Oregon -- on a rainy, cool day - Original Message From: Francis Busschaert but i have a question i have seen a so called blonde work on ebay i m not an expert but if i see those fotograps my little alamr senors in my head say NOWAY that is not handmade but ùmachien lace i know there are some EXPERTS here enlighten me please the abay nr is ebay nr 110428639339 http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-SILK-BLONDE-CHANTILLY-LACE-SHAWL-HANDEMBR-8_W0QQitemZ110428639339QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b60f506b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
