RE: [lace] craft vs. art/valuing contemporary lace
At 10:38 AM 9/6/05 -0400, Carolyn Hastings wrote: > Just my two cents worth, and wondering why, Same reason that most fabric names now designate fabrics much cheaper and thinner than they used to -- or cheaper and coarser. -- Joy Beeson http://home.earthlink.net/~joybeeson/ http://home.earthlink.net/~dbeeson594/ROUGHSEW/ROUGH.HTM http://home.earthlink.net/~beeson_n3f/ west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. Where there's still no rain in sight. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] craft vs. art/valuing contemporary lace
But that is precisely the point I'm trying to make. The issue in art isn't quality or time, but creativity/originality. Otherwise, all of the copies of great works of art would be "art", and personally, I don't think that they are. I think they might be described as "crafsmanlike" copies, but not "art". Just because you pick up a paint brush and paint, your product isn't automatically art. Same for lace. The medium doesn't define art. Just my two cents worth. I'm not trying to revive a discussion about art/craft definitions. That's pretty personal. I think what I'm saying is, whichever, it is worth **something** -- a **something** we have a pretty hard time getting recognition of. Either way, the lace is of value. Actually, I guess what I'm fighting for here is a recognition of the value of "craft". We shouldn't have to defend our lace as art to have it valued. Regards, Carolyn > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:13 PM > To: lace@arachne.com; Carolyn Hastings > Subject: RE: [lace] craft vs. art/valuing contemporary lace > > > On 6 Sep 2005 at 10:38, Carolyn Hastings wrote: > > > I don't want to downgrade our lace in any way, and certainly I do > > think there are many wonderful lace works of art which our modern > > lacemakers are producing. However, I am darn sure my lace > is **not** > > art. I think it is beautiful, and I love it. > > I have been to a number of museums that display "art" by some very > famous "artists" . Some of it was nothing but junk in my eye. In > some of the museums there were also pieces of lace which was > much more beautiful than some of the paintings and sculptures. > > I don't make lace myself (my wife latched onto the kit I bought for > myself so SHE could learn) but I marvel at the dedication and time > that is envolved in making even a simple bookmark. We have an > artist in our neighborhood who charges $1000 per square inch for a > painting. I doesn't take her any longer to paint a square > inch than it > does for my wife to do a square inch of fine bobbin lace. > > We have several pieces of my wife's "art" lace as well as pieces > purchased in Hungary and Russia hanging in our home. > > Jim Stavast > BeeUtahful Bobbins > www.beeutahful.com > > Jim > ShopSite, Inc > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing > the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] craft vs. art/valuing contemporary lace
On 6 Sep 2005 at 10:38, Carolyn Hastings wrote: > I don't want to downgrade our lace in any way, and certainly I do think > there are many wonderful lace works of art which our modern lacemakers are > producing. However, I am darn sure my lace is **not** art. I think it is > beautiful, and I love it. I have been to a number of museums that display "art" by some very famous "artists" . Some of it was nothing but junk in my eye. In some of the museums there were also pieces of lace which was much more beautiful than some of the paintings and sculptures. I don't make lace myself (my wife latched onto the kit I bought for myself so SHE could learn) but I marvel at the dedication and time that is envolved in making even a simple bookmark. We have an artist in our neighborhood who charges $1000 per square inch for a painting. I doesn't take her any longer to paint a square inch than it does for my wife to do a square inch of fine bobbin lace. We have several pieces of my wife's "art" lace as well as pieces purchased in Hungary and Russia hanging in our home. Jim Stavast BeeUtahful Bobbins www.beeutahful.com Jim ShopSite, Inc - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] craft vs. art/valuing contemporary lace
> Aurelia wrote: But my main argument is exactly NOT to value lace as > just another fiber art! > > Fiber art qualifies as art in my book. > I don't want to downgrade our lace in any way, and certainly I do think there are many wonderful lace works of art which our modern lacemakers are producing. However, I am darn sure my lace is **not** art. I think it is beautiful, and I love it. I hope that I make my lace in the most craftmanlike (in the very best sense of the word, and something to be proud of) way. I won't go into a long list of why I think this is so, for my lace, except that for me an essential ingredient of art is orginality in the creation. So far that is not a quality I seem to be capable of. So for a moment, accept my evaluation of my lace as craft, not art (no reflection on anyone else's lace). Why should not my lace be valued, according to the standard of craftsmanship? Or anything else that we produce by hand -- knitted or crocheted, embroidered, sewn, etc.? It's too bad that "craft" and "craftsmanship" has come to have such a lowly status -- if you read some of the old books, it used to be one of the most valued of characteristics. Just my two cents worth, and wondering why, Carolyn Hastings Stow, MA USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
