RE: copyright for scanning was [lace] Anna magazine

2004-08-23 Thread Panza, Robin
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'No part of this publication may be reproduced...except for your own
personal use'
So, the reason I haven't broken copyright law is because I couldn't be 
bothered?  I'm going to have to give myself a strong talking to 

No, it does allow for your own personal use.  As long as your scan is from
your own copy and neither the scan nor the original are given to anybody
else, you should be within copyright.


but what about patterns from people who were producing patterns upto a
short while ago but who now, for whatever reason have stopped and we cannot
source their work from any supplier.

It would be illegal for you to make a copy.  Just because they have stopped
doesn't mean they don't hold the right to copy.  That lasts, if I remember
correctly, for 70 years after their death (that will, of course, vary in
other countries), so the heirs can benefit.  If you really want a legal copy
of a pattern not in print, you need to track down the copyright holder
(usually the designer or publisher) and ask permission to copy it.  Or find
the book/magazine at a used bookstore and buy it.

not a copyright (or any other kind of) lawyer, just my understanding;
Robin P.
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA
http://www.pittsburghlace.8m.com/

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Re: copyright for scanning was [lace] Anna magazine

2004-08-23 Thread Thelacebee
In a message dated 23/08/2004 19:12:04 GMT Standard Time, 
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 but what about patterns from people who were producing patterns upto a
 short while ago but who now, for whatever reason have stopped and we cannot
 source their work from any supplier.
 
 It would be illegal for you to make a copy.  Just because they have stopped
 doesn't mean they don't hold the right to copy.  That lasts, if I remember
 correctly, for 70 years after their death (that will, of course, vary in
 other countries), so the heirs can benefit.  If you really want a legal copy
 of a pattern not in print, you need to track down the copyright holder
 (usually the designer or publisher) and ask permission to copy it.  Or find
 the book/magazine at a used bookstore and buy it.
 
 not a copyright (or any other kind of) lawyer, just my understanding;
 Robin P.

You see what happens when I can't sleep and the Aussie is on nights - my mind 
dribbles out through my ears.

When I reread my own post the answer was obvious - go make ANOTHER piece of 
lace and just remember to buy any book or pattern that takes your fancy when 
you see it and not windge about it 10 years later.

I have more patterns than I can make in a life time but it won't stop me 
buying more.  Same with books of all descriptions - the joke in our family is that 
come the day of judgement I will be in line with two carrier bags of books to 
read whilst I'm waiting - just in order to pass the time you know!!

Regards

Liz in London

I'm back blogging my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link 
or going to http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee

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Re: copyright for scanning was [lace] Anna magazine

2004-08-22 Thread Thelacebee
In a message dated 22/08/2004 20:45:49 GMT Standard Time, 
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 Copyright laws vary greatly around the world.  Keeping a copy as a backup 
 is
 morally fair usage to me, but it is not legal everywhere. There are
 countries that do not have a fair usage clause in their copyright laws.
 And even in those that do, what each country considers fair usage varies a
 lot, depending on local regulations or case law.  If the person doing the
 copying and the publisher are in different countries with different laws it
 can get even more complicated.

This is quite long and if you can't be bothered to read it all then scroll 
down the to bottom where I have another question to pose on this subject.

Here's a thought to add to this.  I pulled out some patterns that I bought at 
the National Xmas Fair, last year as I am looking to make a piece as a 
wedding present for my neice.  Anyway, these are from Lacewing Designs and 
beautifully presented (and I have to say, worth every penny I spent on them).

But what is of interest is the copyright caveat at the end of the 
instructions:

'No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system 
or transmitted in any form, or by any means, electronic mechanical, 
photocopying, recording, scanning or otherwise, except for your own personal use, 
without the express written permission of Lacewing Designs.'

Now this is interesting as it is the caveat often used in books.  

I am making an assumption here but what I feel is my understanding of why 
this type of statement is now needed is simply because so many of us now have 
scanners for everyday use we just simply use them as home photocopiers - however, 
not all scanners have a simple photocopy process where the image comes in and 
goes out without storage -some need to store it as an image then print it 
out.  

Also with us all now so obsessed with not loosing things (own up - how many 
of you have or are thinking of scanning in all your photos to burn to a CD Rom 
just because you can!) so we think about how bad those 80s photocopies were 
and how they stick to our plastic pockets that we store them in and how easy it 
would be to just burn them all to CD Rom and be done with it - I know I 
thought about it.  However, being basically lazy, I couldn't be bothered to scan the 
200 or so A4 sheets of patterns that I have bought over the years.

So, the reason I haven't broken copyright law is because I couldn't be 
bothered?  I'm going to have to give myself a strong talking to g!!

So I had a look in some of my other books and found some others which have 
tickled or pleased me - here are some of my favourites:

(and by the way, please will the people who wrote these caveats forgive me if 
I infrindge their copyrights by quoting them here but I'm trying share some 
of the best ways of polietly telling people to not steal their work!!)

Christine Springett who has suffered badly from ripped off snake patterns (I 
even saw at one lace fair in the passed year a kit for the snake; pricking, 
thread, beads and cover and instructions clearly photocopied from Christine's 
book!), Christine has addressed this beautifully in her 'Snakes Galore' booklet: 
'You are welcome to photocopy these patterns to make your pricking and to 
sell the snakes you make as fund-raisers for charity but i would ask you to 
respect my copyright by not passing on these photocopies to other lacemakers, our 
new address is given below and we would welcome the opportunity to send your 
friends or students their own personal copy!'

What a nice way of saying - BUY YOUR OWN COPY!!!

Christine also tackles the same subject in her Bangle Bonaza booklet where 
she says 'I would only consider that you would be infringing my copyright on 
these designs if you photocopy these patterns to give (or sell!!) to your friends 
or students.'

I found this one in Pamela Nottingham's Bobbin Lacemaking (the Batsford 
paperback edition) which had the standard 'all rights reserved' but also this one; 
'The Lace designs in the book may not be copied or adapted for commercial 
purposes'

I know that some time ago Vivienne from Biggins was concerned about blatent 
adaptations of her patterns (I'm being poliet - actually they should be 
referred to rip offs) and I think this caveat above is the right one.

I am sure that we have been over this before but as we are discussing 
copyright on this and another thread, I have another question.  We know that after 
the Mrs Channers Mat debate and clarification from Ruth Bean that their pattern 
is in copyright and could, if they wished or needed to, be produced by them - 
just at this time it isn't possible / feasible (please let's not go there 
again) - but what about patterns from people who were producing patterns upto a 
short while ago but who now, for whatever reason have stopped and we cannot 
source their work from any supplier.

OK, the logical part of me says go make one of the 200 or