Re: [lace] Chaos Stitch
In a message dated 28/03/2010 09:46:42 GMT Daylight Time, jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk writes: CTCT is whole stitch (confused yet?), whole stitch twist, cloth stitch twist - I haven't come across linen stitch twist. And you most likely won't as linen stitch is the continental version of cloth stitch (ctc) - elegantly logical as both produce a plain woven cloth or linen fabric, and they use whole stitch for tctc (ctct). As far as I know it is only the UK lacemakers who insist on using cloth and whole stitch as synonymous terms. Elsewhere there is a clear distinction between cloth/linen stitch and whole stitch, which as it's name suggests is two half stitches - also very logical and surely less confusing for learners. I do so wish we could bring this difference into common usage here, as my tongue gets tangled and my fingers tired saying and typing all the and a twists. Jacquie in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Chaos Stitch
When I first learned BL linen stitch and whole stitch were interchangeable. CT was half stitch CTC was linen stitch or cloth stitch or whole stitch CTCT was double half stitch Double half stitch made. sense, but whole stitch for CTC seemed most illogical. When I started teaching I made sure I used CT=half stitch CTC = cloth stitch CTCT = cloth twist (or double half) If there is any doubt it's best to use the CT order, though of course books, and especially the older ones, will use whatever the author used. The other grey area is grey area is rose ground. Nowadays we usually think of that as a form of five-hole, cane, cinq-trous or whatever. Some older books refer to what we now think of as honeycomb ground or Scandinavian ground with (long rows and gap rows) as Rose ground. Add to that the confusion of names like maiden's net or virgin ground Brenda On 28 Mar 2010, at 09:58, laceandb...@aol.com wrote: And you most likely won't as linen stitch is the continental version of cloth stitch (ctc) - elegantly logical as both produce a plain woven cloth or linen fabric, and they use whole stitch for tctc (ctct). As far as I know it is only the UK lacemakers who insist on using cloth and whole stitch as synonymous terms. Elsewhere there is a clear distinction between cloth/linen stitch and whole stitch, which as it's name suggests is two half stitches - also very logical and surely less confusing for learners. Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Chaos Stitch
Jacquie wrote: As far as I know it is only the UK lacemakers who insist on using cloth and whole stitch as synonymous terms. Elsewhere there is a clear distinction between cloth/linen stitch and whole stitch, which as it's name suggests is two half stitches - also very logical and surely less confusing for learners. That's so right, Jacquie - surely two halves make a whole? And cloth stitch makes cloth? When I was first learning, they said that cloth stitch and whole stitch were the same; but then I learned half stitch, and it wasn't half of the whole stitch I'd just learned. Since then, I have distinguished between CS and WS, but as I don't teach, I'm not passing it on, sadly. Margery. = margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Hertfordshire, UK = - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Chaos Stitch
A reason for calling cloth stitch whole stitch could be derived from the naming of plain weave fabric as whole cloth, to which, in bobbin lace, the CTC is equivalent in appearance. Obscure? I use the alpha code (CTC), not names, where possible. On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com wrote: Double half stitch made. sense, but whole stitch for CTC seemed most illogical. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] chaos stitch
Or what about tee hee hee. Sorry but I couldn't resist that. I find it rather hard to remember the stitches that way, probably becuase ever since I started working lace nearly 30 years ago I always knew them as whole stitch or half stitch. Karen in Malta -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Lorelei Halley Sent: 28 March 2010 20:34 To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] chaos stitch Perhaps we could solve the problem by just calling the stitches: cee tee or tee cee cee tee cee cee tee cee tee etc. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Chaos Stitch
... The *chaos stitch* was the topic of interest to a number of the ladies and I was asked to bring some questions to the 'arachne table'. First now, am I correct in my recall, was the stitch thus - bringing the worker across the passives like this: HS,WS,HS and then on the return 'trip' the worker going back with the opposite movements, WS,HS,WS through each passive pair? Are there any pins placed? (Other than the outside edges.) Are there any crosses on the worker between the stiches? ... Nova (on Vancouver Island, B.C.) I did this in a binche piece and the color code was red - green - red - green which translates to half stitch (CT / TC) alternating with whole stitch (CTCT / TCTC). When more than 1 row is worked, the stitches are opposite the row above. CTCT alternates with CT. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
