Re: [lace] Re: copyright and copying magazines

[Avital Pinnick]

Liz wrote:
 Now here's a thought - let's take the Bible - say, the new Testament - OK,
 even at latest date the last books of the New Testament are supposed to
have
 been written about the end of the first century so they are 2000 years
old -
 obviously over the 50 years since the death of the authors.

 BUT

 I can't quote from the NT here because any quote I give will be a
translation
 which is owned by the translator or their heirs.

Sorry, but that analogy doesn't hold. Quoting a fragment of the New
Testament here is certainly permitted because it falls under the category of
fair usage. If this were not the case, scholars in the humanities would
have a really tough time discussing texts! It's hard to imagine people
carving tombstones saying The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want and
paying royalties to the translators of the King James Version.

You would not, however, be permitted to put up a Web site with the entire
text of a copyrighted translation.

 go back to the original text (if I can find it ... most of the original
greek
 texts are lost) and retranslate it (after I have learnt new testament
greek)
 and then quote it.

No, they're not lost. The New Testament papyri are numerous and quite well
preserved. That's not even taking into consideration the thousands of
quotations and references in other ancient translations and in the works of
the Church Fathers, which are also important witnesses to the original text.

I think that it's time to move this topic to lace-chat, because it's
straying into general discussion about copyright and is becoming less
lace-related.

BTW, if you think lace books are expensive, you should do an Amazon search
on my name. It's a good thing I get free copies of my books, because there's
no way I'd shell out that kind of money for them! g

Best wishes,

Avital,
Arachne moderator, PhD in New Testament and ancient Jewish literature
(Harvard University), and former Chief of Publications, Orion Center for the
Study of the Dead Sea Scrolls

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Re: [lace] Re: copyright and copying magazines

[Dmt11home]

In a message dated 08/28/2003 1:25:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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 Copyright is copyright and just because someone is a friend or doesn't want 
 to
 be inconvenienced by having to hunt down a back issue on ebay or something,
 it is still a copyright violation!
 
As I recall this original posting dealt with the situation where Bev designs 
a pattern and gives her permission, for free, to a lace magazine to publish it 
because she would like to share it with as many people as possible. The lace 
magazine has not bought the pattern. I think Bev is the copyright holder in 
this case and she feels she would like to share it with as many people as 
possible. So, is the copyright being violated, or is the pattern being used with 
permission when someone copies it. Does the publication which has not bought 
the pattern have a property interest in it that it can protect by limiting use 
when it is Bev's desire to share the pattern as widely as possible?
Devon

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