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2003-09-28 Thread Jean Peach
I am hoping that some one on Arachne can help me,  I am sorting
out family photos with my family in Florida, we have identified
many, one is a real mystery.  There are three women they all
have hoops under their dresses.  Now I know from other photos
that they would have been taken in the 1800's sometime. When
did women wear hoops, in England?

I have Bloomingdale's Illustrated 1886 Catalogue, inside it shows
two different types of hoops both with springs. This was published
in the States.

I do have A complete guide to English Costume Design 
and history, 1066 - 1990's  there is no information regarding
what was worn underneath any of the costumes.  Although
looking at the drawings hoops could have been worn in 1880.
I have to say that none of the women are wearing lace.


Jean in Newbury UK

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[lace-chat] Language question

2003-09-28 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
Gentle Spiders,

I need help...

What's the English term -- *is* there an English term? -- for the 
do-dad that used to show up on old maps? It looks like what one sees 
on a compass: a convergence of rhombuses (rhombi?), usually 8, 
sometimes 16, but at least 4, each pointing to a different direction.

In Polish, it's called the rose of the winds but I don't think I've 
ever heard the English term...
-
Tamara P Duvall
Lexington, Virginia,  USA
Formerly of Warsaw, Poland

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Re: [lace-chat] Language question

2003-09-28 Thread H. Muth
Tamara,

It's called a compass rose.  Here's a website that tells of it's origins.

http://www.gisnet.com/notebook/comprose.html

Heather
Abbotsford, BC
Where we are having unseasonable warm weather.


At 09:59 PM 28/09/2003 -0400, Tamara P. Duvall wrote:
Gentle Spiders,

I need help...

What's the English term -- *is* there an English term? -- for the 
do-dad that used to show up on old maps? It looks like what one sees 
on a compass: a convergence of rhombuses (rhombi?), usually 8, 
sometimes 16, but at least 4, each pointing to a different direction.


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Re: [lace-chat] Language question

2003-09-28 Thread Katrina Worley
On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 06:59  PM, Tamara P. Duvall wrote:

What's the English term -- *is* there an English term? -- for the 
do-dad that used to show up on old maps? It looks like what one sees 
on a compass: a convergence of rhombuses (rhombi?), usually 8, 
sometimes 16, but at least 4, each pointing to a different direction.
compass rose

Katrina

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[lace-chat] Re:

2003-09-28 Thread Katrina Worley
On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 08:40  AM, Jean Peach wrote:

I am hoping that some one on Arachne can help me,  I am sorting
out family photos with my family in Florida, we have identified
many, one is a real mystery.  There are three women they all
have hoops under their dresses.  Now I know from other photos
that they would have been taken in the 1800's sometime. When
did women wear hoops, in England?
Can you send me a scan of the photo?  I do a lot of 19th century 
clothing research and can probably come pretty close

Katrina

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[lace-chat] Re: Language question/thanks

2003-09-28 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Sunday, Sep 28, 2003, at 22:14 US/Eastern, H. (Heather) Muth wrote:

It's called a compass rose.  Here's a website that tells of it's 
origins.

http://www.gisnet.com/notebook/comprose.html
Thanks to everyone who answered. And especial thanks to Heather for the 
website. Personally, I think compass rose is way too pedestrian a 
name to contemplate for a lace pattern; I like the the Polish rose of 
the winds *much* better, so will settle for the wind rose, which 
seems to be a secondary option...

I saw one -- just the 8 basic points, but surrounded  by lovely, 
rounded, arabesques -- recently, in a book I'd been reading, and have 
been obsessed by it ever since :) At first, I thought that just 
figuring out how the lines of the arabesque crossed would lay the 
curiosity to rest, but no; I spent the last couple of days drawing 
different possibilities and figuring out how they could be worked with 
bobbins... :)  I think I got two (simpler) versions straight, at 
least on paper. The more involved ones (one in PG) will, *hopefully*, 
stay dormant until I've tried the simpler ones on the pillow *and* 
until I've come back from Ithaca... Sheesh, but I hate those lace 
itches...

-
Tamara P Duvall
Lexington, Virginia,  USA
Formerly of Warsaw, Poland
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