[lace-chat] Henry VII
Elizabeth Ligeti said: >I, too, watched that programme, Helene. It was, as you said, Fascinating! >though I think they said that it was Henry VII's father - Edward ?IV? who >was illegitimate. He would have been an 11 month baby if he was "legal"! Sorry, David and Liz, you're right. What I meant to say was that he was not the legitimate king. I suppose I should have written that he was an "unlawful" king, but illegitimate seemed to stick, somehow... Helene, the froggy from Melbourne. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] The Alternate King
I, too, watched that programme, Helene. It was, as you said, Fascinating! though I think they said that it was Henry VII's father - Edward ?IV? who was illegitimate. He would have been an 11 month baby if he was "legal"! As to the drought - well, here in Melbourne we have had a few showers - nothing much, though. They were predicting snow up in the mountains - Noelene's way. Stay warm, Noelene!! from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, where it is cold and damp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: This is for Real - humour
On May 25, 2004, at 14:12, Weronika Patena wrote:
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This is really horrible! I always thought this sort of thing was over
earlier than the 60's... Tamara, was it like this in Poland too?
Nope, and I doubt it had been like this in Poland even in 1860's... :)
Polish women had always had to be especially strong, what with their
men always being dragged off to an occupant's army for 25 yrs at a
stretch, or on the lam from the secret police for "dissidentism", or in
jail/exile, or just plain drunk under the table... I don't think this
"meek mouse mode" would have played well in Poland at any time after
1795. And the post WWII communist rule only strengthened the trend:
women had to work, same as men did (the salaries were calulated on the
basis of *two* people supporting one family), so were less likely to
go, willingly, through the pretense of "you are more important than I
am". On top of which, they were *told* (never mind that the facts
didn't always match the "official spin " ) that they were equal to
men (everyone's equality was guaranteed, constitutionally), so why
should they accept "his needs count for more than yours"?
Secondly, matters of sex were never discussed quite as openly as in the
snippet David'd sent. Partly because *both* the black (Catholic) and
the red (Communist) regimes were rather prudish when it came to the
daily nitty-gritty. And partly, I think, because the Polish language
doesn't seem to lend itself to such discussions, or not easily
(possibly because the Catholic Church had had hundreds of years of
declaring the subject taboo). I'd estimate that 98% of all the sex
education I received (school, friends, books, parents) was couched
either in strictly biology textbook terms, or those from the gutter;
the first were too boring, the second too embarassing. But there was
nothing in between, no "every day" language to bridge the gap, until I
learnt enough English...
I also have some doubts about the text having been written by a woman;
sounds to me more like something concocted by a man in a wet dream.
Women had written under male pseudonyms for different reasons (George
Elliot) more often than the other way around, but the other way around
isn't all that rare, either, especially in the 20th century.
Nor does it mean that, when such advice was *offered*, it was
necessarily followed, or, even, generally accepted... If it had been,
there wouldn't be so many jokes about men who "didn't get theirs".
There wouldn't have been so many men bragging that they *did* "get
theirs". As early as The Forsyth Saga, when Soames "insisted" on his
marital rights, the book manipulated one's sympathies towards his wife,
who resisted...
I'd love to be able to lay my hands on a big book of early Ann Landers
responses; by the time I got here ('73) she was very level-headed and,
while she preached compromise, she preached it to *both* sexes
(something I entirely agree with)
---
Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
Healthy US through The No-CARB Diet:
no C-heney, no A-shcroft, no R-umsfeld, no B-ush.
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re: [lace-chat] greetings on Memorial Day, too
Hi all and v. sorry T. > And, hey, please don't rush it on us; In my hasty look at the calendar I saw both Victoria Day and MEmorial day on the same square but neglected to notice the '31' beside the latter - oops! but hey chat's been slow, after I realized I was a week out I thought maybe the digest would take a while to accumulate and I might have been on time :~ I think last year they were on the same weekend if May 25 had been the last Monday in May. -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] This is for Real - humour
David Collyer a décidé d' écrire à Ò[lace-chat] This is for Real - humourÓ. [2004/05/25 18:23] > GOOD GRIEF ! > > It is likely that your husband will then fall promptly asleep so adjust > your clothing, freshen up and apply your night time face and hair care > products. > > You may then set the alarm so that you can arise shortly before him in > the > morning. This will enable you to have his morning cup of tea ready when > he > awakes." > now now am i mistaken or will you still have your hair rollers on because she didn't tell you to take them off before offering the cup of tea ..?? goodness gracious !! good to be reminded or some things past ... or for the youngest ones to learn about some things past ... VBG... dominique from Paris .. I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat. -- Rebecca West, 1913 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] re: Memorial Day plans
Saturday we are celebrating my Mom's birthday...74! We have family coming from all over to celebrate. This is her second birthday since her second husband died. He was a Pearl Harbor survivor. My own Dad was in the Philippines during WWII. (he lived to be 69) My Father-in-law was in Europe (second day's landing at Normandy and is still active and backpacking on the Appalachian Trail at 79!). Something I've just become aware of this year is happening at a state park near us. There is a replica of an old fort there and they are having a display of WWII weapons and vehicles. There is supposed to be some Big Band music from the time period, and their honored guests are WWII Veterans from both the Pacific and European theaters of conflict. Family picnics and barbecues are a big thing for the day, and with the beach nearby hopes are for clear skies! If it rains the malls won't complain. There is a city wide event at the Veterans Memorial Wall one evening and fireworks on another night. Sunday services at our church always (on Memorial Day) include some special music to recognize the sacrifice made by those who have given their lives serving our country. Usually they have the veterans in the congregation stand as they call out the wars in which they served. The WWII participants are getting fewer each year. Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] This is for Real - humour
! This is really horrible! I always thought this sort of thing was over earlier than the 60's... Tamara, was it like this in Poland too? Weronika On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 02:23:46AM +1000, David Collyer wrote: > GOOD GRIEF ! > 'Lay back and think of England' > This is an actual extract from a sex education school text book for > girls, printed in the early 60's in the UK, & written by a woman. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] lacemaking mushroom
Here we go again -- is this a lace tool? Would it possibly be used with needlelace? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38067&item=3726324316&rd=1 Thanks, Alice To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] This is for Real - humour
GOOD GRIEF ! 'Lay back and think of England' This is an actual extract from a sex education school text book for girls, printed in the early 60's in the UK, & written by a woman. "When retiring to the bedroom, prepare yourself for bed as promptly as possible. Whilst feminine hygiene is of the utmost importance, your tired husband does not want to queue for the bathroom, as he would have to do for his train. But remember to look your best when going to bed. Try to achieve a look that is welcoming without being obvious. If you need to apply face-cream or hair-rollers wait until he is asleep as this can be shocking to a man last thing at night. When it comes to the possibility of intimate relations with your husband i t is important to remember your marriage vows and in particular your commitment to obey him. If he feels that he needs to sleep immediately then so be it. In all things be led by your husband's wishes; do not pressure him in any way to stimulate intimacy. Should your husband suggest congress then agree humbly all the while being mindful that a man's satisfaction is more important than a woman's. When he reaches his moment of fulfilment a small moan from yourself is encouraging to him and quite sufficient to indicate any enjoyment that you may have had. Should your husband suggest any of the more unusual practices be obedient and uncomplaining but register any reluctance by remaining silent. It is likely that your husband will then fall promptly asleep so adjust your clothing, freshen up and apply your night time face and hair care products. You may then set the alarm so that you can arise shortly before him in the morning. This will enable you to have his morning cup of tea ready when he awakes." David To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] RE: eggshells
Dear Lynne, day I came home with a branch of Hawthorne in bloom (still love that smell) and she threw a fit! Witches tree and must never come into the house! Then we got all the Irish lore thrown in from granny on Dad's side too! Ever tried taking a real peacock feather into a theatre? Watch out! And don't EVER whistle in there either. David in Ballarat Lynne. Lynne Cumming Baldock, North Herts, UK email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: greetings on Memorial Day, too
Dear Friends, I've been reading the Memorial Day postings and waiting and waiting for either a Brit or Oz to mention that for years May 24th was our wonderful celebration called Empire Day!!! Wasn't it perhaps Queen Victoria's real birthday? I know in the 50s and 60s it was the only other night of the year (apart from Novemebr 5th) when we had fabulous bonfires and fireworks - till all were banned. How we loved watching Dad being chased by the Jumping Jack; and remember the day when he finally "allowed" us to light the Catherine Wheels. Boy did I cop it when I set off a whole string of Tom Thumbs at once and threw them at my "dear" sister Christine. The Roman Candles were always tied to the clothes line and set off a few at a time. Next morning we would hunt the back yard and next door's paddock for the "fizzers" and light them all over again. Thank God Mum never found out about the incredibly powerful "cracker guns" that we used to make to blow up letter boxes and milk bottles and shoot sparrows :) :) :) Love David in Ballarat To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Help Please
Dear Shirl, " Never leave your eggshells Unbroken in the cup ?? Grab your teaspoon firmly And smash the buggers up!!! I've heard it before, but can only remember our kids' uncensored version which finished as above Love David To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] punctuation
At 07:49 AM 5/25/04 +1000, W & N Lafferty wrote: >Really digging back in memory > >AB, C D goldfish? >M R no goldfish. >S M R. The Reverend Bowdler has been at the joke -- I remember it as ABCD gofish? LMNO gofish. OSAR! -- Joy Beeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~joybeeson/ west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. where we had a whole day without rain on Monday (So I went for a ride around the lake.) But it looks as though Tuesday is for sewing. (I need a day for sowing -- it's been too wet to work the garden for *weeks*!) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Temporarily evacuated
I was only evacuated for an hour or so. ;-) I was sitting at the computer doing my e-mail when a policewoman came to the door. She told us to open the windows, close the shutters, and get out of the building immediately. They're building an extension on our building and one of the workers, while digging the foundation, found an unexploded mortar in the fill under the building. I grabbed my backpack and gathered with the rest of the neighbours in the courtyard at the other side of the building. At least I could knit for a while and later amused myself by calling friends to with them "chag sameach" (holiday of Shavuot starts tonight, so only half a working day). We waited for about an hour in the heat. The place was filled with police (we counted 8 police vans, 2 ambulances, and a fire truck) and they diverted traffic for a while. Eventually they herded us under the covered area of the courtyard so that they could detonate the mortar (presumably in case the stone siding falls off the outside wall or windows shatter). We heard a loud explosion, then were allowed back into the building, although we weren't allowed to walk around on that side until all the security people have left. Well, that's my news for the week Avital, in quiet Maale Adumim, Israel, where nothing exciting ever happens To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] RE: eggshells
My mother gave me the story of 'smash the bottom of the eggshell so the witches can't use them as boats ' line too. Is it particularly English? Mum grew up in rural Suffolk and was full of Old Wives' tales. I remember the day I came home with a branch of Hawthorne in bloom (still love that smell) and she threw a fit! Witches tree and must never come into the house! Then we got all the Irish lore thrown in from granny on Dad's side too! Lynne. Lynne Cumming Baldock, North Herts, UK email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Sounds like /goldfish
I heard it as. . . A, B, C D goldfish L, M N O goldfish S A R. AB, C D goldfish? M R no goldfish. S M R. And then there's He had afford Erased her Erector He's hurt Anaylsis too Infectious dead Susan Webster Canton, Ohio To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: lace-chat-digest V2004 #106
Helene asked What does the X stand for? Instead of sayin EX, say cross then it works. But like Sue I remember it as being Y Jacquie To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] punctuation
Try substituting Y for X! A normal mathematical method!!! Then you get: > > 2YUR > > 2YUB > > ICUR > > 2Y 4ME Sue - Original Message - From: "Helene Gannac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Carol Adkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Gee, Carol, you've got me stumped there!!:-) What does the X stand for? To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Help please
Jean Nathan wrote: smash the bottom out of the empty half of an egg shell after eating a boiled egg so that the witches couldn't use them as boats. WHAT A RELIEF!! I was going to reply to the post yesterday, and then thought "No, everyone will think I've got a really weird family". I have never met anyone else who knew about the witches and using egg shells as boats. Jean - thank you for bring this to light - perhaps we are related somewhere back in the relics of time. I have a lot of cousins on my grandmother's side that I've never been able to track down. Malvary - in Ottawa. I can now go off to work knowing that I'm not the only person that has weird ancesters. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] punctuation
Gee, Carol, you've got me stumped there!!:-) What does the X stand for? I've heard about 4X beer, but?? I'm taking a copy home for DH to explain tonight Helene, the puzzled froggy from Melbourne Carol Adkinson wrote: > That partners the > 2XUR > 2XUB > ICUR > 2X 4ME Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Sovereign's birthday
>From: Bev Walker <> >Subject: [lace-chat] Happy Victoria Day >To all my Canadian buddies, I hope you're all enjoying the May long >weekend. ...There will be a parade in Victoria, BC - marching bands, pipe >and drum corps, clowns, floats, and probably a facsimile Queen - >sometimes we have a Victoria impostor as well as an Elizabeth II. Actually, Bev, according to the TV programme I watched last night, the real things are/were impostors too!! The "real" sovereign of England, it seems, is a gentleman who lives in Australia and goes by the name of Michael Hastings!!! Apparently, historians have discovered recently that Henry VII, who ended the War of the Roses by putting the Tudors on the throne, was in fact illegitimate, so had no right to the throne at all. The Plantagenet (who ruled before the Tudors) crown should have gone to a sister of the last king, and so on, and so on. They've actually traced the whole descendance of the family and found that the present "king" immigrated to Australia in the 60's, I think, and decided to stay here and raise his family here. He actually has got an English title, but doesn't use it at all, and Plantagenet is still part of his full family name. And he's a real republican, thinks Australia should split up! Fascinating. English BBC, of course, they're the only ones who still make great TV programmes. Yours with a chuckle, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Weather
Martha, I wouldn't want to be thought selfish - so let's share! You keep the winds and floods, and we'll have just *some* of the rain!! Seriously, my heart goes out to those affected by storms such as these - I hope no-one was hurt, and that the damage to property isn't too bad, and is quickly repaired. Regards, Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) Martha Krieg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:We could send you some of our rain! We got several inches late last week, accompanied by 100-mph winds that took down branches and whole trees. The ground is saturated, and people have been out from work today dealing with the results of flooding in basements, dead generators (in rural areas), etc. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Help please
We were always told by my grandmother to smash the bottom out of the empty half of an egg shell after eating a boiled egg so that the witches couldn't use them as boats. Work that one out! Makes no sense to me at all, but you didn't question what my grandmother said. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
