[lace-chat] Lace spending

2005-03-02 Thread sealacehaven
Hi Liz and spiders
Sorry to burst your halcyon bubble Liz, but I'd have to disagree with you, 
we are not buying the same products for the same price, anything but. The 
cost of lacemaking materials has increased just like everything else. Look 
at the price for a book 10- 15 years ago, just had a look at one of my old 
Pam Nottingham books it cost £7.99 now the same book is nearer £16.99, I'd 
hardly call that the same price for the same thing!

If you could by a Newnham pillow today, I purchased one of his beautiful 
block pillows, the first pillow I ever owned  which is in pristine condition 
and being constantly, it cost me £33.65 (I still have the catalogue!) 17 
years ago. I certainly wouldn't get that same pillow for that price today.

You may well be spending the same amount today as some years ago, but are 
you in reality obtaining the same quantity of goods? Probably not. Don't 
misunderstand, I am not complaining as I'm very happy with the goods I 
purchase and am most certainly all for supporting our lace suppliers - and 
do so very regularly, but please don't think the prices are still the same 
they are not.

Nicky in an overcast Suffolk
(but Saturday is looking brighter I'm off to a Lace Day - and yes I will be 
supporting our wonderful suppliers)

Liz said...
What I have found very thought provoking is the talk about Newham's 
pillows
as it made me think about the fact that I spend the same at a lace fair 
today,
2005 as I did back when Newhams were at fairs 15 years ago.  This has made 
me
realise that as lacemakers we are very lucky because we are buying the 
same
products at the same price as we did 15 years ago - great for us - not so 
great
for the suppliers. 
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[lace-chat] cotton warp quilts.

2005-03-02 Thread CANDYLVRDG
there is something which has puzzled me for years whenever I have  read  LM
Mongomery's books, which someone may be able to help  with

In the Anne books, there is repeated reference to cotton warp  quilts, which
are knitted.  I would love to have an idea about what they  look like.
Having searched on the web, all I can find is that they were made  from
cotton warp, which was generally used for weaving.

Can anyone  help solve what has been a bit of a mystery for many years
 
This might be what you are reading about.  Counterpanes often were  knitted 
with the cotton warp.   There are a lot of varied  pattern.  Often made in 
small sections, often squares but they could  be other shapes, and then sewed 
together.  There is a book that I  think is from Threads called Knitted 
Counterpanes  by Mary Walker  Phillips
These coverlets are often very heavy.  I expect they were more for  beauty 
than warmth, although the heaviness would surely help keep you  warm.
 
One pattern had you make shapes something like a triangle and when you  sewed 
them together you stretched them a bit to look more like scallops with a  
curved edge.  Kind of like seashells laid side by side.
 
Candy
 
 
Knitting Counterpanes - Traditional Coverlet Patterns for Contemporary  
Knitters 
by Mary Walker Phillips
9 x 9 Softcover (180 pages)
1989, The Taunton  Press, Inc.
NO LONGER AVAILABLE (CURRENTLY OUT OF PRINT) 
Elegant knitted coverings  called counterpanes adorned many a bed in the 19th 
century. The patterns for  most of these coverings, however, had been 
neglected for most of the century -  until now. For the past 20 years, knitting 
expert Mary Walker Phillips  has been scouring 19th century needlework 
magazines 
for counterpane patterns. To  these, she has added patterns deciphered from 
counterpanes she's found in museum  and private collections in the U.S. and 
abroad. 
This book presents the best yield of her research - 46 counterpane patterns  
and 32 lace edgings and borders for knitters of all skill levels. These 
patterns  will dress up the most modern of beds... and tabletops, pillows, or 
anything in  need of a handsome covering.  

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re: [lace-chat] Cotton warp quilts

2005-03-02 Thread Bev Walker
Hello Karen and everyone

these are, I think, coverlets comprised of knitted squares, at a time when
thread ends from the weaving mills would be cheaply available. Not having
read the Anne books for ages (and ages...eek) I don't know if LMJ used the
word 'quilt'as a general term for bed covering - I did however more
recently find instructions for Lancashire squares - knit on two needles
but forming a square when finished, the reference was a woman who had knit
them from the thread she took home from her job at a mill (presumably in
Lancashire - England).

-- 
bye for now
Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins
www.woodhavenbobbins.com

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re:[lace-chat] cotton warp quilts

2005-03-02 Thread Bev Walker
Hi everyone and Karen who asked,
further to my response to the ? about cotton warp quilts, I got this info
from someone a little more familiar with the 'province' (literally and
figuratively) of LMM than I am (hi Nova from PEI)
go here to see an illustration of Rachel with her knitting
and in paragraph two, a reference to her knitting
http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/youth/anneofgreengables/AnneofGreenGables/Chap1.html

From an on-line study program, the following is offered:

 Mrs. Lynde knits cotton warp quilts. Cotton warp yarn was sold instores
and identified as such on the label. It was soft and was principally used
for weaving (personally I'd question whether it was soft or not, until
after being washed of the sizing, which would have been important if it
was used principally for weaving - a moot point at this stage to be sure)

Perhaps my first guess that it was leftovers frm the weaving mill - was
too ambitious a theory, and that 'cotton warp' refers only to the labelled
yarn - if, for instance Sayelle was in the stores at the time, Rachel
could have been making a 'Sayelle' quilt...

Interesting use of the word 'quilt' with 'knitting' however...

 -- bye for now
Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins
www.woodhavenbobbins.com

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[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Visit from the devil

2005-03-02 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
Liked it the first time around (a year? two? ago) and like it still. 
Hope you will too...

From: S.D.
One bright, beautiful Sunday morning, everyone in the tiny town of
Johnstown got up early and went to the local church. Before the
services started, the townspeople were sitting in their pews and
talking about their lives, their families, etc. Suddenly, Satan 
appeared at
the front of the church. Everyone started screaming and running for the
front entrance, trampling each other in a frantic effort to get away 
from this
evil incarnate. Soon everyone was evacuated from the Church, except
for one elderly gentleman who sat calmly in his pew, not moving,
seemingly oblivious to the fact that God's ultimate enemy was in his
presence.

Now this confused Satan a bit, so he walked up to the man and said,
Don't you know who I am?
The man replied, Yep, sure do.
Satan asked, Aren't you afraid of me?
Nope, sure ain't, said the man.
Satan was a little perturbed at this and queried, Why aren't you afraid
of me?
The man calmly replied, Been married to your sister for 48
years...
--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
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[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Trophies

2005-03-02 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
From: R.H.
An 80-year-old man went to his doctor for his annual check-up.
The doctor asks him how he's feeling. The 80-year-old says, I've
never felt better. I now have a 20 year-old bride who is pregnant with
my child. What do you think about that?
The doctor considers his question for a minute and then begins.
I have an older friend, much like you, who is an avid trophy hunter
and never misses a season. One day, when he was going out hunting, he
was in a bit of a hurry and accidentally picked up his walking cane
instead of his gun. When he got to the creek, he saw a prime beaver
sitting beside the stream of water. He raised his cane and went 'bang,
bang'. Suddenly, two shots rang out and the beaver fell over dead.
What do you think of that?
The 80-year-old said, I'd say somebody else pumped a couple of
rounds into that beaver.
The doctor replied, My point exactly.
--
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Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
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[lace-chat] Re: cotton warp quilts

2005-03-02 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Mar 2, 2005, at 18:54, Bev Walker wrote:
Interesting use of the word 'quilt' with 'knitting' however...
I wonder when the word afghan became popular for those pieced 
(crocheted or knitted) bed throws... :)

When I first encountered an afghan - 1973, shortly after arriving 
here - I didn't know what to make of it. It was a bit like a blanket. 
But it was also a bit like some counterpanes (the ones made from 
leftover pieces of fabric. I think they're called crazy quilts 
here)... And, of course, I was unable to think of either as a quilt 
which, to me, is what's called a comforter in the US.

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Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
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[lace-chat] Re: Lace spending

2005-03-02 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Mar 2, 2005, at 3:37, sealacehaven (Nicky in Suffolk) wrote:
Sorry to burst your halcyon bubble Liz, but I'd have to disagree with 
you, we are not buying the same products for the same price, anything 
but. The cost of lacemaking materials has increased just like 
everything else. Look at the price for a book 10- 15 years ago, just 
had a look at one of my old Pam Nottingham books it cost £7.99 now the 
same book is nearer £16.99, I'd hardly call that the same price for 
the same thing!
And it's not just that; 8GBP 15 yrs ago bought more than it does now 
(just as $8 bought more). Earnings have adjusted to keep pace, but 
never *quite*, especially as our desires and expectations keep rising 
much faster than inflation :)

You may well be spending the same amount today as some years ago, but 
are you in reality obtaining the same quantity of goods? Probably not.
I've been thinking about that one and have to agree with Nicky.
I spent the first few months of my lacemaking spending what seemed like 
*vast* sums of money (once I discovered some mail-order vendors, that 
is. Shipping was either cheap or free those days), and went totally 
nuts with impulse spending the first chance I was offered to buy 
sight-*seen*... But I was still building up my basic lacemaking 
nest then.

These days, I still spend what seems like vast amounts on *workshops* 
(what with the attending costs of room, board and transportation), but 
as about as much as (or, possibly, less) on basic supplies. Not because 
they're the same price - they're not. But because I don't need as many 
things; I'm filling in small gaps (though designing can be expensive 
too; try and fill up a gap of an entire colour line of a thread/size 
g) And, having seen more, I'm less likely to be seduced by an impulse 
to *buy now*; I'm more likely to get the vendor's card (with an URL, by 
preference) and think about it.

So, although I do spend a bit more on lace now than I used to 15 yrs 
ago, most of it is not in the supplies area (and that includes books). 
On supplies, I spend *less*, even if the same thread or book has 
trippled in price.

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Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
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