[lace-chat] ID-cards; a reprise

2004-12-12 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
Gentle Spiders,
I've been e-chatting, off-list, on the subject of what governments know 
(if they want to), what info is out there for the asking, how having 
uniform ID cards is more paranoid hoopla than fact, and remembered a 
couple of more instances...

1) Poland was very offended - on behalf of the American citizens of 
colour - when the driver's licences began to use a colour photo. 
According to the Polish press of that time, that was done because it 
was no longer permitted to put race/colour on it. Of course, our own 
little booklets (about half the size of a passport, but a booklet 
nevertheless. Into which the current address was stamped, much like a 
visa) had the photos in bw (and twice the size). But then, our 
colour-photo technology was in the swaddling clothes as the saying 
went...

2) I had to apply for a Social Security number, having arrived in US as 
an adult. But, when my son was born - February of '77 - he was was 
issued one the day after he was born; it was normal procedure by the. 
And what's a SS number if not an ID number? For that matter, a license 
plate tracks you too.

3) But, when I said the government seemed to have all the data on him 
except spit, when they wanted to check, I forgot the *best part*. 24 
hrs after he was born, he was both finger- and foot-printed. Took some 
effort, in case of the fingers (try to uncurl those little claws g), 
but it was done, and the data was going to be kept somewhere. 
Ostensibly so that, in case of a kidnap, he could be identified - 
either as an adult some years later, or as a corpse left in a ditch 
somewhere.

Nobody asked my  (or his g) permission to harvest the data, though I 
was presented with copies of same for free. I meant to paste them into 
his baby book, but that was when I meant to make a baby book, and 
they've disappeared since. From *my* stash. But, from the government's? 
I doubt it. That organism never disgorges; it only adds (though 
sometimes, it does mislay stuff).

Of course, *my* fingerprints are on file, from the time I applied for 
the citizenship...

ID cards will be an infringement on our privacy? WHAT PRIVACY?
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Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
 
 

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Re: [lace-chat] ID-cards; a reprise

2004-12-12 Thread Martha Krieg
My father used to be quite upset at the use of Social Security numbers for 
anything other than Social Security - he said that the law forbade their use 
for other things. Of course, until recently that part was conveniently 
forgotten and they were used as student IDs in school, medical record IDs in 
doctors' offices, even the subscriber number for commercial insurance carriers. 
That seems to be tightening up now - partly to avoid identity theft by not 
making them so ubiquitous.
At this point, the government can find out more than it needs or wants to know 
about me by Googling me. I'm not particularly worried about an ID - though if 
an evil government wanted to attack its own citizens, it would make it 
marginally easier to locate the desired subset. 

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