Re: [lace-chat] art (and horses)

2005-02-14 Thread Margery Allcock
Tamara wrote:

  walking under the horse with my mother, we looked up and
  -- oh, yes! -- the horse is male . . .

 So is  Jan III Sobieski's one :) I've never been close
 enough to the Poniatowski statue (was on the same website,
 but closer to the top), as it's not easily approachable,
 but I'd bet *that* horse is male also...
 Come to think about it... I can't remember any of the famous
 battle horses being female (yes, there *was* Rosinante, but
 she was a battlehorse only in Don Quixote's dreams g).
 Yet, some of them *had* to be, by the laws of nature and
 statistics. Is it another instance of females being unsung
 and discriminated against?

I imagine these horses were very much like people G ... the females
weren't all that warlike, so were kept at home to breed, while the males
were kept entire (not gelded) and their testosterone made them usefully
fierce and eager to join in the battles.

BTW: statues of soldiers on horses ... did you know/is it true/can you
correct my details ... if a soldier died peacefully in old age, his statue
portrays him on a horse with all its four feet on the ground; if from his
wounds as a result of a battle - 3 feet on the ground; if during a battle -
2 feet on the ground ...  but what about the one-foot-on-the-ground horse
statues?

BFN,
Margery.


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FW: [lace-chat] art (and horses)

2005-02-14 Thread Angel Skubic
Sorry sent this to Margery and didn't get it to chat. I am disputing the
male testosterone for war horse theory based on the Arabian which is
the horse I most understand.

Please read my comments about war horses below...

Cearbhael

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From: Angel Skubic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:43 AM
To: 'Margery Allcock'
Subject: RE: [lace-chat] art (and horses)


Well, not if you look at the Arabian breed. A breed prized by the
Bedouin for War Horses. The stallions were NEVER ridden into battle.
Only the mares. They were bred for thousands of years as war horses. I
breed Arabians now and believe you me, they still have that war horse
mentality. They are alert, intelligent, quick, and very brave. My filly
Jamahla, at the age of 2 thought the lash of the lung whip was a snake
(or at least it reminded her of one) and she went into this stalk and
kill the snake routine that used all the battle techniques that have
been used for generations in war horses. If you ever watched the
Lippizzan Stallions you will have seen the moves. The haute ecole
moves like the Piaff, the Levage, and The Capriolle are all war or
battle maneuvers, that are still practiced through dressage. I watched
my 2 year old filly go through every one of these moves on her own
without any training when she was stalking her pretend snake. It is
still one of her favorite games and there is never any knowing what
fancy battle manuever she will pull off in the process. I find her quick
and natural ability to be proof that the moves are not so much learned
but bred into war horses. Dressage merely refines and perfects the
horses natural abilities.

Cearbhael

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Subject: Re: [lace-chat] art (and horses)


Tamara wrote:

  walking under the horse with my mother, we looked up and
  -- oh, yes! -- the horse is male . . .

 So is  Jan III Sobieski's one :) I've never been close
 enough to the Poniatowski statue (was on the same website, but closer
 to the top), as it's not easily approachable, but I'd bet *that* horse

 is male also... Come to think about it... I can't remember any of the 
 famous battle horses being female (yes, there *was* Rosinante, but
 she was a battlehorse only in Don Quixote's dreams g).
 Yet, some of them *had* to be, by the laws of nature and
 statistics. Is it another instance of females being unsung
 and discriminated against?

I imagine these horses were very much like people G ... the females
weren't all that warlike, so were kept at home to breed, while the males
were kept entire (not gelded) and their testosterone made them usefully
fierce and eager to join in the battles.

BTW: statues of soldiers on horses ... did you know/is it true/can you
correct my details ... if a soldier died peacefully in old age, his
statue portrays him on a horse with all its four feet on the ground; if
from his wounds as a result of a battle - 3 feet on the ground; if
during a battle - 2 feet on the ground ...  but what about the
one-foot-on-the-ground horse statues?

BFN,
Margery.


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