Re: [LARTC] Linux router configuration??

2003-09-25 Thread Ronny Aasen
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 00:25, Blu wrote:
> Good morning at all, thanks for previous help, but I have another ask.
> I have a few experience of Linux world's, and I need to configure a
> Linux PC as router, what are the steps? What do I do?
> Thanks.


what you could do is. 
go to http://leaf.sf.net

this is a router/firewall on a floppy disk system, that also can boot
from hd, flash, cd, or whatever.

it's dead easy to setup. reboots very quickly. and only uses media on
boot so you wont wear out you'r floppy, hd, cd whatever on constant
spinning.


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Re: [LARTC] Linux router configuration??

2003-09-25 Thread Ryan Johnson
I am going to assume you want the most basic router, just two interfaces.

1.) Make sure both network cards have been detected.
ifconfig eth0
ifconfig eth1
2.) Set up each interface on its own network, make sure the interface has been 
activated, you can use ifconfig for this.
3.) issue the command
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
to enable ip fowarding, w/o this the kernel will not send packets between interfaces
4.) set the clients behind the router to point to the internal ip of your router

Any changes made to the system will have to be initialized during the boot process.

Of course if you have ip addresses that you would like to nat/masq behind the router, 
you will have to use iptables.

You really should be more specific on your needs.

Good luck.


> Good morning at all, thanks for previous help, but I have another ask. I have a few 
> experience of Linux world's, and I need to configure a Linux PC as router, what are 
> the steps? What do I do?
> Thanks.

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RE: [LARTC] Linux router configuration??

2003-09-25 Thread Daniel Chemko
www.netfilter.org has up to date Kernel 2.4 firewall concepts. The links
are also pretty good at describing how everything works if you can't
find what you need at the site itself.


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I'll be a tad more helpful, but not much. Setting up a linux
firewall/router 
is pretty specific to your network layout/configuration. You probably
will be 
better off checking these links and going from there:

General Linux setup/config documentation:
http://www.tldp.org

This document is a bit dated in that it doesnt include iptables as one
of the 
firewalling software options, but it still is better than nothing. 
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Firewall-HOWTO.html

The HOWTO at http://www.lartc.org is good too (hehe, had to give kudos)

Hope it helps!
Derek


On Thursday 25 September 2003 04:12 pm, Damion de Soto wrote:
> Blu wrote:
> > Good morning at all, thanks for previous help, but I have another
ask. I
> > have a few experience of Linux world's, and I need to configure a
Linux
> > PC as router, what are the steps? What do I do?
>
> That's a pretty vague question, so I'll give you a vague answer:
>
> Get any linux distribution and do a minimum install.
> Setup the network cards and interfaces.
> setup the routes and/or routing daemons
> (setup the firewalling)
>
> In the popular distros, most of these steps are done for you in the
> install.
>
> good luck.
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Re: [LARTC] Linux router configuration??

2003-09-25 Thread Derek
I'll be a tad more helpful, but not much. Setting up a linux firewall/router 
is pretty specific to your network layout/configuration. You probably will be 
better off checking these links and going from there:

General Linux setup/config documentation:
http://www.tldp.org

This document is a bit dated in that it doesnt include iptables as one of the 
firewalling software options, but it still is better than nothing. 
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Firewall-HOWTO.html

The HOWTO at http://www.lartc.org is good too (hehe, had to give kudos)

Hope it helps!
Derek


On Thursday 25 September 2003 04:12 pm, Damion de Soto wrote:
> Blu wrote:
> > Good morning at all, thanks for previous help, but I have another ask. I
> > have a few experience of Linux world's, and I need to configure a Linux
> > PC as router, what are the steps? What do I do?
>
> That's a pretty vague question, so I'll give you a vague answer:
>
> Get any linux distribution and do a minimum install.
> Setup the network cards and interfaces.
> setup the routes and/or routing daemons
> (setup the firewalling)
>
> In the popular distros, most of these steps are done for you in the
> install.
>
> good luck.
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Re: [LARTC] Linux router configuration??

2003-09-25 Thread Damion de Soto
Blu wrote:
Good morning at all, thanks for previous help, but I have another ask. I 
have a few experience of Linux world's, and I need to configure a Linux 
PC as router, what are the steps? What do I do?
That's a pretty vague question, so I'll give you a vague answer:

Get any linux distribution and do a minimum install.
Setup the network cards and interfaces.
setup the routes and/or routing daemons
(setup the firewalling)
In the popular distros, most of these steps are done for you in the install.

good luck.

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[LARTC] Linux router configuration??

2003-09-25 Thread Blu



Good morning at all, thanks for previous help, 
but I have another ask. I have a few experience of Linux world's, and I 
need to configure a Linux PC as router, what are the steps? What do I 
do?
Thanks.


RE: [LARTC] IMQ Install Without Recompiling Kernel?

2003-09-25 Thread Daniel Chemko
>> 2) Why the sarcasm about not wanting to recompile the kernel? I love 
>> using Linux, and I have recompiled kernels before. However, in this 
>> application it may not be my best choice. You do not know my 
>> situation. I tried recompiling the kernel on this machine and had
much 
>> trouble with the particular SCSI card in that machine. However, I
felt 
>> this list was limited to routing issues and NOT kernel recompilation 
>> issues with a SCSI card.
>If this is a closed binary, you still can recomile the kernel with the
RH 
>kernel sources.  I did this before.  I wanted to use a closed source
binary 
>to access tape drives on my debian server.  I used the RH kernel
sources >and the module loaded without any problem.

I had problems with the DPT_I2O if that is what you are talking about.
You just have to remember to add the card's drivers to
initrd-.img (gzipped ext2 file system).

>> 3) My boss prefers that we stay with the stock RH kernel. If that is 
>> not possible then I will recompile, but only if absolutely necessary.
>I'm afraid a recompile is needed.

If the QOS stuff was compiled as a module, you don't even need to
reinstall the entire system, just the QOS sub-system (not tested with
QOS though). For example, with the kernel sources handy, you can patch
PPP - MPPE into a stock Redhat kernel by just running one of their
scripts. Two files from your existing system are changed, but everything
else is untouched.

My best bet without trying it is:
- Download and install the kernel-source RPM (not SRPM)
- # cp /boot/config- /usr/src/linux-/.config
This gives you the environment setup more or less how RedHat builds them
with, but without the RPM complexity.
- Edit /usr/src/linux-/Makefile and remove the 'custom' tag
from the end of extraversion.
- # make menuconfig
Add the module that you need inside here
- # make dep; make modules
If all goes well, you should get to the end of modules without errors.
- Copy the module file that you added to the installation into the
module directory in /lib/modules.
- # depmod
If there are no errors here, you are home free.

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Re: [LARTC] IMQ Install Without Recompiling Kernel?

2003-09-25 Thread David Boreham
> 1) Why is RH a bad choice?

It's not necessarily bad, for example they can sell you
good commercial support, and most commercial binary-only
applications will only support RH kernels (e.g. Clearcase).
However, RH tends to have their own ideas about a bunch of
stuff which doesn't always match the 'mainstream'.

This is why I quit using
RH for my own projects and instead use Mandrake.
It's RH-like, but rather more in sync with the 'normal'
Linux environment. There are other distributions which
have their own 'better' attributes for any given task too.

> 2) Why the sarcasm about not wanting to recompile the kernel? I love using
> Linux, and I have recompiled kernels before. However, in this application
it
> may not be my best choice. You do not know my situation. I tried
recompiling
> the kernel on this machine and had much trouble with the particular SCSI
> card in that machine. However, I felt this list was limited to routing
> issues and NOT kernel recompilation issues with a SCSI card.

Yeah, try the RPM rebuilding route that I suggested.
I too became frustrated with the typical Linux community
suggestion that you should rebuild from source in the
classic manner---I found that the result almost always
breaks something which previously worked in the distro kernel.
If you build from the source RPM, modulo some corner
cases such as using a different compiler build, you'll be
making exactly the same binary that RH made.

> 4) I'm not the qdisc or routing master, but from my reading I understand
the
> following:
> -An egress qdisc applied to eth0 ONLY shapes traffic leaving eth0,
> NOT eth1, eth2, etc.

Right, it's per-interface shaping.

> -I don't want to write an egress qdisc for each of my 9
interfaces,
> plus I also want ingress control.

Correct. Plus, if you want to correctly share incoming bandwidth between
nodes which are on the other side of more than one of those interfaces,
then separate shaping won't do what you want (the queue at each
interface has no knowledge of the situation at any of the other interfaces).
Therefore you need IMQ.

> 5) I have different types of customers on each interface, hence different
> traffic flows and speeds.

Without IMQ you'll be able to shape on each interface,
but you won't be able to fairly distribute the same bandwidth
between customers on different interfaces.



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Re: [LARTC] IMQ Install Without Recompiling Kernel?

2003-09-25 Thread Stef Coene
On Thursday 25 September 2003 21:51, Walter D. Wyndroski wrote:
> 1) Why is RH a bad choice?
I think RH changes too much.  If you you have a RH apache server and you want 
support from the apache community, you are out of luck.  The RH apache server 
is so much patched that can't help you.  And apt-get rocks :)

> 2) Why the sarcasm about not wanting to recompile the kernel? I love using
> Linux, and I have recompiled kernels before. However, in this application
> it may not be my best choice. You do not know my situation. I tried
> recompiling the kernel on this machine and had much trouble with the
> particular SCSI card in that machine. However, I felt this list was limited
> to routing issues and NOT kernel recompilation issues with a SCSI card.
If this is a closed binary, you still can recomile the kernel with the RH 
kernel sources.  I did this before.  I wanted to use a closed source binary 
to access tape drives on my debian server.  I used the RH kernel sources and 
the module loaded without any problem.

> 3) My boss prefers that we stay with the stock RH kernel. If that is not
> possible then I will recompile, but only if absolutely necessary.
I'm afraid a recompile is needed.

> 4) I'm not the qdisc or routing master, but from my reading I understand
> the following:
> -An egress qdisc applied to eth0 ONLY shapes traffic leaving eth0,
> NOT eth1, eth2, etc.
Indeed.

> -I don't want to write an egress qdisc for each of my 9 interfaces,
> plus I also want ingress control.
> -With that said, I want a subnet to be limited to speed X megabits
> no matter if traffic is leaving or entering eth0, eth1, or any other
> interface.
If it's only rate limiting, you can try filter + policers.

> 5) I have different types of customers on each interface, hence different
> traffic flows and speeds.
If you only need to limit speed and don't care about how bandwidth is divided, 
the ingress qdisc + filters + policers can help you.

> 6) I have read this mailing list for well over a year now and enjoyed it
> quite a bit. I really appreciate all the members who help and give really
> good pointers.
Thx:)

Stef

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Re: [LARTC] IMQ Install Without Recompiling Kernel?

2003-09-25 Thread Walter D. Wyndroski
1) Why is RH a bad choice?
2) Why the sarcasm about not wanting to recompile the kernel? I love using
Linux, and I have recompiled kernels before. However, in this application it
may not be my best choice. You do not know my situation. I tried recompiling
the kernel on this machine and had much trouble with the particular SCSI
card in that machine. However, I felt this list was limited to routing
issues and NOT kernel recompilation issues with a SCSI card.
3) My boss prefers that we stay with the stock RH kernel. If that is not
possible then I will recompile, but only if absolutely necessary.
4) I'm not the qdisc or routing master, but from my reading I understand the
following:
-An egress qdisc applied to eth0 ONLY shapes traffic leaving eth0,
NOT eth1, eth2, etc.
-I don't want to write an egress qdisc for each of my 9 interfaces,
plus I also want ingress control.
-With that said, I want a subnet to be limited to speed X megabits
no matter if traffic is leaving or entering eth0, eth1, or any other
interface.
5) I have different types of customers on each interface, hence different
traffic flows and speeds.
6) I have read this mailing list for well over a year now and enjoyed it
quite a bit. I really appreciate all the members who help and give really
good pointers.

Thank you.

Walt


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> > I'm really needing the ability to ingress and egress on a subnet,
actually
> > multiple subnets. Primarily I need to ratelimit said subnet no mater
which
> > of the nine interfaces (in my router) from which it's traffic is leaving
or
> > entering the router. However, I still classful queuing using HTB/SFQ.
Are
> > any other options available which could assist me until IMQ becomes part
of
> > the RH stock kernel?
>
> First I must say that RH is a bad choice for what you want to do.
> And second why use Linux if you can't/dont want to recompile a kernel -
> its not rocket science
>
> But anyway, if I understand you corectly you want to shape your
> traffic - the traffic is passing trough your Linux router. If this is
> the case you don't need IMQ. You see although shaping works only on the
> packets LEAVING YOUR ROUTER, still packets are leaving the router in the
> direction to the Inerenet but also packets are leaving your router in
> the direction to you internal network.
>
>
>
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Re: [LARTC] IMQ Install Without Recompiling Kernel?

2003-09-25 Thread Walter D. Wyndroski
Thank you. I had not thought of that route. I will probably go with your
suggestion.

Walt

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> > Why don't you take the RH kernel source, apply the imq patch, use the RH
> > kernel options and recompile the kernel?
>
> A reasonably painless way to do this is to get the RH kernel RPM source.
> Modify the .spec file to add the patches, and rebuild. I've done this in
the
> past and it tends to result in something which is closer to the original
> kernel than if you just take the source tree and compile that. It's also a
> more reproducable build process which helps if you need to do it
> several times (e.g. when RH releases a new kernel).
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Re: [LARTC] Connection Tracking - How Many???

2003-09-25 Thread Walter D. Wyndroski



Sorry, I must have missed it when reading the 
netfilter howto. I found it later when reading through it again: approx 32,000 
connections per 512 megs of ram.
 
Walt

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  Subject: [LARTC] Connection Tracking - 
  How Many???
  
  How many connections can be tracked 
  with:
   
  512 megabytes of RAM?
  1 gigabyte of RAM?
   
  I know there is a limit. I read it somewhere 
  about eight months ago in some obscure location. 
   
  Thanks in advance.
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[LARTC] Simulated latency

2003-09-25 Thread Morey ixipetl
This seems like it ought to be simple, but so far, no joy.  I need to 
simulate latency in a network connection, e.g. a sattelite link, but 
can't figure out how to do that.  I don't need to drop packets or 
otherwise limit rates, just introduce certain fixed amounts of latency. 
I know about NIST Net, but would rather use iptables, ip, tc, etc. Any 
ideas?



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Re: [LARTC] More layer7 filtering issues

2003-09-25 Thread Thomas Graf
Hi

> So, 1:10 is getting data passed through it, but I can't figure out a way to 
> attach a policing filter that just drops them all into oblivion.

tc filter add dev $DEV parent : \
   protocol ip prio 20 \
   u32 match ip protocol 1 0xff \
   police mtu 1 drop \
   flowid :1

Drops all packets with a length > 1 byte which is probably
what you want.

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RE: [LARTC] Simple PRIO + TBF at high rates

2003-09-25 Thread Javier Martin

>> I'm trying to slow down http traffic on Gigabit link. The outbound rates
on
>> that interface range 0 .. 400 Mbit/s and I would like to throttle
accurately
>> to any rate between these while keeping non-http traffic unthrottled.

>Then create a couple of filters to send traffic to the correct classes
>and, maybe, attach a "sfq" qdisc to your HTTP and default leaves to
>guarantee fairness for individual connections.

Ok, first of all I was trying to use PRIO + TBF because I thought it was the
simpler. You suggest me HTB, which is far more flexible, and I guess
flexibility goes along with more overhead. Then my question is: will HTB
behave accuratetly at those rates (100-600 mbits) with moderate CPU impact?

Or better yet: Has anyone tried it in a production environment?

Javier

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Re: [LARTC] Proper filter syntax for matching Netfilter packet marks

2003-09-25 Thread jeremie le-hen
> > But it apparently isn't working right; this is the only filter in an
> > egress HTB queue discipline, and all my traffic goes through the default
> > class instead of my special class.  This is as per "tc -s -d class show
> > ..."
> Can you check your iptables ruls so you are sure the mark gets placed?

In case your NetFilter rules really match and packet are marked, then you
should try using hexadecimal for marks. I know ip(8) interprets marks as
hexadecimal, although it's not documented AFAIK. I don't have time to look
at it in tc(8), but there are good chances it runs in the same way.

I have posted a mail on this inconsistency one week ago, but no one replied.
http://mailman.ds9a.nl/pipermail/lartc/2003q3/010074.html

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Re: [LARTC] Proper filter syntax for matching Netfilter packet marks

2003-09-25 Thread Stef Coene
On Thursday 25 September 2003 04:14, Lance Dryden wrote:
> Howdy.  Sorry if I make a mistake; this is my first list posting.
>
> I'm running into ... somewhat conflicting and incomplete documentation
> when working out what exactly I'm to do in order to tc-filter match
> against packet MARKs set by NetFilter.
>
> The syntax I'm trying looks like this:
>tc filter add dev eth1 \
>protocol ip \
>parent 1:0 \
>prio 1 \
>handle 0x66 \
>fw classid 1:102
>
> But it apparently isn't working right; this is the only filter in an
> egress HTB queue discipline, and all my traffic goes through the default
> class instead of my special class.  This is as per "tc -s -d class show
> ..."
Can you check your iptables ruls so you are sure the mark gets placed?

Stef

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[LARTC] From where to get IPT_CONTINUE ?

2003-09-25 Thread Senthil Nathan V

Hi all,
I 'm working on Bandwidth management. I need the facility of
traversing the rules in IPTABLES even after processing a rule. I
was told that IPT_CONTINUE would help me. But I 'm not able to get
information about FROM WHERE TO GET and HOW TO MAKE MY KERNEL
PATCHED WITH IPT_CONTINUE.
I will be greatful if any one can help me out.


  -regards,
Senthil Nathan V
Deeproot Linux Pvt Ltd,
Bangalore





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[LARTC] From where to get IPT_CONTINUE

2003-09-25 Thread Senthil Nathan V
Hi all,
I 'm working on Bandwidth management. I need the facility of
traversing the rules in IPTABLES even after processing a rule. I
was told that IPT_CONTINUE would help me. But I 'm not able to get
information about FROM WHERE TO GET and HOW TO MAKE MY KERNEL
PATCHED WITH IPT_CONTINUE.
I will be greatful if any one can help me out.

   -regards,

Senthil Nathan V
Deeproot Linux Pvt Ltd,
Bangalore


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