Re: ARP Help (was - [LARTC] snooping - plan B)

2003-07-30 Thread Martin A. Brown
Jim,

I must be uncommonly dense, because I still haven't a clue what you are
trying to do.  I'll take one last stab at it, though.

 : host0
 : 192.168.253.1snoopy(eth0 192.168.253.254)
 :
 : Now ping 192.168.253.2 and get snoopy to respond.  This can be done
 : with netfilter (but not, apparently with ip).

Accurate, as far as I know.

 : iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p icmp -d 192.168.253.2 -j DNAT --to 192.168.253.254

Sure.

 : /sbin/arp -i eth0 -Ds 192.168.253.2 eth0 pub
 : gets you a "host unreachable" from 192.168.253.1

Have you tried this?

  arp -s 192.168.253.2 -i eth0 -D eth0 pub

Sadly, /sbin/arp (at least on my test boxen) seems to be persnickety about
the order of arguments and options.

 : BUT if on host0 you:
 : /sbin/arp -s 192.168.253.2  HWADDR
 :
 : then ping goes through.
 : Help from ARP experts (or others!) much appreciated.

If you really wish to get your hands dirty with ARP, you can always have
ultimate control with "ip arp", a kernel + iproute2 patch.

  http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/#iparp

Bonne chance,

-Martin

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Re: ARP Help (was - [LARTC] snooping - plan B)

2003-07-30 Thread Jim Redman
Thanks for the help from the list so far.  It's now reduced to an ARP 
problem.

host0
192.168.253.1snoopy(eth0 192.168.253.254)
Now ping 192.168.253.2 and get snoopy to respond.  This can be done 
with netfilter (but not, apparently with ip).

iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p icmp -d 192.168.253.2 -j DNAT --to 
192.168.253.254
/sbin/arp -i eth0 -Ds 192.168.253.2 eth0 pub

gets you a "host unreachable" from 192.168.253.1

BUT if on host0 you:

/sbin/arp -s 192.168.253.2  HWADDR

then ping goes through.

Help from ARP experts (or others!) much appreciated.

Jim

On 2003.07.30 00:49, Martin A. Brown wrote:
Jim,

First, let me say that I may not have caught all of your plan...but
here
goes
If you really wish to modify application layer data, shouldn't you be
looking at divert sockets [1], tun/tap usage [2], or optimally
home-grown
code?
 : OK, assuming this to be impossible.  Let's try the ARP approach.  I
 : want to set up eth0 with ip 192.168.3.1 nat all packet addressed to
 : 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.3.1 and ARP the address of 192.168.1.1 into
 : eth0.  I still have some problems, any suggestions appreciated.
 : Here's what I've tried (along with many variations):
Hm  I haven't ever tried to do exactly what you seem to
suggest
here, but this may be an interesting approach.  If you are going to
use
NAT to solve your problem, you can try NATting each host into the
other.
 : arp -i eth0 -Ds 192.168.1.1 eth0 pub
 : ip route add nat 192.168.1.1 via 192.168.3.1
 : ip rule add from 192.168.3.1 nat 192.168.1.1
 [ Note: I'm using the IP ranges you suggested in a prior mail. ]

  host-0  ++   host-1
192.168.253.1 <--> eth0 <-- snoopy --> eth1 <--> 192.168.253.2
  ++
Assuming that you want host-0 to reach host-1, but only through
snoopy,
and you don't want to alter any network addressing on either host-0 or
host-1:
# ip route add 192.168.253.1 dev eth0
# ip route add 192.168.253.2 dev eth1
# ip route add nat 192.168.253.102 via 192.168.253.2 iif eth0
# ip rule add nat 192.168.253.102 from 192.168.253.2 iif eth1
# ip route add nat 192.168.253.101 via 192.168.253.1 iif eth1
# ip rule add nat 192.168.253.101 from 192.168.253.1 iif eth0
The nat route entry in the local routing table will take care of the
ARP
advertising for you, so any packets from host-0 addressed to
192.168.253.102 should end up on 192.168.253.2, but with a source
address
of 192.168.253.101.
So, a packet from host-0 to host-1 will look like this

   host-0 side of  snoopy  host-1 side of

 Source: 192.168.253.1   192.168.253.101
   Dest: 192.168.253.102 192.168.253.2
To me, this looks terribly convoluted and rather messy, not to mention
that I have never tried it!  Nonetheless, I think this should work,
provided that the nat IPs you choose are not in use anywhere else in
your
192.168.253.0/24 network.
 : this alone is not sufficient, so I've tried adding routes for
 : 192.168.1.1
 : ip route add 192.168.1.1 dev eth0
 : and so forth.  I haven't yet been successful and would apprciate
any
 : help.
Now, if I might make another recommendation

Take a look at bridging [3].  This project has been maturing very
nicely,
and there have been very happy rumbles from people using the linux
bridging code.  With the help of IP mode [4], you may get the control
you
desire.  Also look at the bridge + firewall documentation [5] and make
sure to fetch the br+nf patches if you are using a 2.4 kernel [6].
Good luck,

-Martin

  [1]  http://152.45.4.41/~divert/index.shtml
  [2]  http://vtun.sourceforge.net/tun/
  [3]  http://bridge.sourceforge.net/
  [4]  http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/bridging.txt
  [5]  http://ebtables.sourceforge.net/br_fw_ia/br_fw_ia.html
  [6]  http://sourceforge.net/projects/ebtables/
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