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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill You may be on to something. Might eliminate the social desirability and Hawthorne effects. g jackie f William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, LOL...you're right, I forgot about how creative students can be in the pursuit of an assignment. :) Always pushing the window. Perhaps that could be another area of study. One group of students observing another. Bill On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:52:07 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I love giving the students these types of assignments. However, you can get yourself into trouble at times. Students are creative, so you have to try and foresee why may occur. The big problem area is having them observe deviance--now, as instructors we are looking for them to observe things like littering, deviant dress, etc. and other people's reactions to the deviance. Not students--they want to go to the area of town where "real" deviance occurs. This also happens if you have them break a norm and capture people's reactions--you tell students they are to break folkways not laws, but you know students. But as you say there are a lot of things you can assign that are easy and "fun learning" for students. I have had them watch sit-coms, listen to music, and go through magazines advertisements. Keeps them out of harm's way, I hope. This quarter the Intro students are going to do application papers--this assignment sound like no problem, but have had a few occasions where it could have led to problems. One of the nice things about computers is the chance to learn from others things that might work in teaching, especially teaching abstract concepts. jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, LOL...you're right, I forgot about how creative students can be in the pursuit of an assignment. :) Always pushing the window. Perhaps that could be another area of study. One group of students observing another. Bill On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:52:07 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I love giving the students these types of assignments. However, you can get yourself into trouble at times. Students are creative, so you have to try and foresee why may occur. The big problem area is having them observe deviance--now, as instructors we are looking for them to observe things like littering, deviant dress, etc. and other people's reactions to the deviance. Not students--they want to go to the area of town where "real" deviance occurs. This also happens if you have them break a norm and capture people's reactions--you tell students they are to break folkways not laws, but you know students. But as you say there are a lot of things you can assign that are easy and "fun learning" for students. I have had them watch sit-coms, listen to music, and go through magazines advertisements. Keeps them out of harm's way, I hope. This quarter the Intro students are going to do application papers--this assignment sound like no problem, but have had a few occasions where it could have led to problems. One of the nice things about computers is the chance to learn from others things that might work in teaching, especially teaching abstract concepts. jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I love giving the students these types of assignments. However, you can get yourself into trouble at times. Students are creative, so you have to try and foresee why may occur. The big problem area is having them observe deviance--now, as instructors we are looking for them to observe things like littering, deviant dress, etc. and other people's reactions to the deviance. Not students--they want to go to the area of town where "real" deviance occurs. This also happens if you have them break a norm and capture people's reactions--you tell students they are to break folkways not laws, but you know students. But as you say there are a lot of things you can assign that are easy and "fun learning" for students. I have had them watch sit-coms, listen to music, and go through magazines advertisements. Keeps them out of harm's way, I hope. This quarter the Intro students are going to do application papers--this assignment sound like no problem, but have had a few occasions where it could have led to problems. One of the nice things about computers is the chance to learn from others things that might work in teaching, especially teaching abstract concepts. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, And of course the stores maintain the stereotype also because it leads to higher sales. There are a lot of research projects you can assign in this area that are easy for students to do because it simply involves observing people and making notes. Bill On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:44:17 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I agree that Jon Benet is the extreme. But I look at how mature the little ones are dressed today and I think that sometimes they are urged in unconscious ways to be older than they are.But the old stereotypes remain as well as you say. My students observed Christmas buying in the toy departments and they were amazed at how those old stereotypes were reinforced. It was fun to hear their reactions--they believed before that that the stereotypes were gone. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, I think Jon Benet was an anomaly, although I do know that the kiddie beauty shows are quite popular with a segment of society. But the stereotype of girls getting dolls and boys getting basketballs for example is certainly implanted at an early age. Also it seems to be an accepted trait that before a certain age girls think boys are "yukkie" and boys think girls are "dumb". I DO remember cruising on 50 cents of gas. I recall the old gas wars when it would get down as low as 14 or 15 cents a gallon. Bill On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 05:13:31 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill And in some ways the stereotypes are firmly implanted at a younger age. Look how the little ones are now dressed--I think that is why Jon Benet struck a chord in some people. Bill, do you remember "crusing" all night on 50 cents worth of gas in our big tankers. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, Boy the way we condition our children to develop the stereotypes of what a girl should be like and what a boy should be like is amazing. I like to observe people and their kids in areas like the park or a doctor's office. I'm sure the adults don't realize what they are doing, but it is so obvious. Even people who aren't the kids' parents do it. Sure, you can use the Lewis and Clark line. You can use anything I post here. G At your own risk, of course. And we DID use covered wagons in the 50's and 60's. They were Chevy's and Ford's however. And that was when gas was cheap. Bill Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie Knowing me, I would have to meet Mania and Aleesha. What is that term psychologists use about how people confront their fears. People tend to be avoiders-out of sight, out of mind or they tend to be confronters (that is not the right word)--know they enemy (fear). When my girlfriend and I had to pass a hugh snake in a cage at the college to get to a classroom we were quite the sight. She turned her back to the snake and I faced it. There we were back to back sliding down the hall. I was afraid if I turned my back that snake would get out of the cage and get me; she felt the snake wouldn't see her if she turned her back on it. We must have been a sight. jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: Well that is more like it. LOL Only half that size? Well if I am ever lucky enough to be able to go visit Kathy, I think that I will most definately rent a hotel room and invite her to come visit me. Half that size, hugh..BG Sue Hi Sue The snake with the three people cuddling (?) it is not one of Kathy's. It is a full-grown one. Kathy's is *only* about 1/2 that size. Big enough for me to grant her lots of room though, even if she is a sweetie. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill And in some ways the stereotypes are firmly implanted at a younger age. Look how the little ones are now dressed--I think that is why Jon Benet struck a chord in some people. Bill, do you remember "crusing" all night on 50 cents worth of gas in our big tankers. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, Boy the way we condition our children to develop the stereotypes of what a girl should be like and what a boy should be like is amazing. I like to observe people and their kids in areas like the park or a doctor's office. I'm sure the adults don't realize what they are doing, but it is so obvious. Even people who aren't the kids' parents do it. Sure, you can use the Lewis and Clark line. You can use anything I post here. G At your own risk, of course. And we DID use covered wagons in the 50's and 60's. They were Chevy's and Ford's however. And that was when gas was cheap. Bill Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: I think that with most pets, be it snakes or rabbits, or anything in between, a lot of people see these things and think it they are really cool, so they want one. I know even with rabbits and especially the squirrel, they take special handling and can't be just taken care of by anyone. Correctly anyway. I don't know how many people have said that they were going to get a rabbit or a squirrel because they saw the ones I had. But when I tell them how much destruction they can cause if not properly taken care of they kinda change their minds. You see a lot of this especially at Easter, when people buy these bunnies, chicks, and ducklings for their kids. A month later they are either at the local animal shelter, or worse yet turned lose to survive on their own. Snakes sound really interesting but if you don't know how to take care of them or handle them, it would be better to get a dog or cat, IMO. Sue Hi Sooz :) Those are the type of people I consider idiots, you just don't forget you have your snake crawling around the house especially if you have a baby! It most likely was a Python or Boa since they are Boids which means they constrict to kill their prey. I question why their snake was that hungry? Sounds like they didn't know how to take care of it. And it had to be a pretty big snake, believe it or not a snake will not kill anything it can't eat. IOW's if it's to big for it to swallow it will leave it alone. Unless it's an accidental killing, that happened in Houston where this idiot kid decided to ignore all the rules on feeding a snake and he had the snake around his neck and had picked up a chicken to feed the snake, you NEVER handle a snake after handling it's food, it is going by smell and think's your the food then, you must wash your hands. Well the snake smelled food and squeezed, the kid was found dead. Okay I say kid he was 19. What most people don't realize is snakes don't see like you and I, they see through heat shields and testing the air with their tongues., red and blue, red being a heat source which to them is prey and if they're hungry they will attack what they see is red. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy Well, I have to be fair don't I--I haven't been bitten by a snake. g jackief Kathy E wrote: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yea! Jackie glad to see you realize NOT all snakes are dangerous! Alesha and Mania thank you :) Jackie Fellows wrote: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue But so do other animals : ) jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I do. Because they bite. :) Sue Hi Bill And the moral of the tale was that the young should not be out parking and engaging in exploration. I know that snakes are interesting because they lack appendages, etc so it is fascinating to see how they survive. Guess it is a 'girl' thing about snakes (oh jackie, how sexist of you VVBG). I really don't know why people tend to shy away from snakes. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I agree that Jon Benet is the extreme. But I look at how mature the little ones are dressed today and I think that sometimes they are urged in unconscious ways to be older than they are.But the old stereotypes remain as well as you say. My students observed Christmas buying in the toy departments and they were amazed at how those old stereotypes were reinforced. It was fun to hear their reactions--they believed before that that the stereotypes were gone. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, I think Jon Benet was an anomaly, although I do know that the kiddie beauty shows are quite popular with a segment of society. But the stereotype of girls getting dolls and boys getting basketballs for example is certainly implanted at an early age. Also it seems to be an accepted trait that before a certain age girls think boys are "yukkie" and boys think girls are "dumb". I DO remember cruising on 50 cents of gas. I recall the old gas wars when it would get down as low as 14 or 15 cents a gallon. Bill On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 05:13:31 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill And in some ways the stereotypes are firmly implanted at a younger age. Look how the little ones are now dressed--I think that is why Jon Benet struck a chord in some people. Bill, do you remember "crusing" all night on 50 cents worth of gas in our big tankers. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, Boy the way we condition our children to develop the stereotypes of what a girl should be like and what a boy should be like is amazing. I like to observe people and their kids in areas like the park or a doctor's office. I'm sure the adults don't realize what they are doing, but it is so obvious. Even people who aren't the kids' parents do it. Sure, you can use the Lewis and Clark line. You can use anything I post here. G At your own risk, of course. And we DID use covered wagons in the 50's and 60's. They were Chevy's and Ford's however. And that was when gas was cheap. Bill Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: Sort of reminds me of my oldest son who used to cover his eyes when he was four or so, and being scolded about something. He felt as long as he couldn't see me, that I couldn't see him, so therefore everything was alright. LOL BTW, look who you sent this too. BG Sue Hi Jackie Knowing me, I would have to meet Mania and Aleesha. What is that term psychologists use about how people confront their fears. People tend to be avoiders-out of sight, out of mind or they tend to be confronters (that is not the right word)--know they enemy (fear). When my girlfriend and I had to pass a hugh snake in a cage at the college to get to a classroom we were quite the sight. She turned her back to the snake and I faced it. There we were back to back sliding down the hall. I was afraid if I turned my back that snake would get out of the cage and get me; she felt the snake wouldn't see her if she turned her back on it. We must have been a sight. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: Well that is more like it. LOL Only half that size? Well if I am ever lucky enough to be able to go visit Kathy, I think that I will most definately rent a hotel room and invite her to come visit me. Half that size, hugh..BG Sue Hi Sue The snake with the three people cuddling (?) it is not one of Kathy's. It is a full-grown one. Kathy's is *only* about 1/2 that size. Big enough for me to grant her lots of room though, even if she is a sweetie. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I was waiting for someone to catch that little remark--LOL. I thought of Kathy when I wrote it and laughed. I was a real tomboy (big time) and used to get furious when people would say that I shouldn't be doing those things or saying something because it was a "boy" thing. Can I use the "Lewis and Clark" quote--love it!! Much better than going to my place to see my etchings. The worst one in my book was the "Let's play doctor one." Now, no one in their right mind enjoys going to the doctor's so why would I enjoy playing at it?? Glad you like my phrasing--hmm, somehow that sounds "dirty" (hahah). I guess that is how us "girlies" (now that is a term I hated) learned to talk dirty in public back in the covered wagon days when I was a young. (Don't laugh, my students sometimes act like the 50s and 60s were the covered wagon days or ancient history). jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Jackie, Hey, Kathy is a girl!!! G I thought the moral of that story was to be very careful about where you choose to park and engage in exploration. LOL..I love the way you phrase things sometimes. :) That would have been a great line to use, though. "Hey, you wanna go park and play like Lewis and Clark?" Much better than watching submarine races. BG Bill On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:00:12 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill And the moral of the tale was that the young should not be out parking and engaging in exploration. I know that snakes are interesting because they lack appendages, etc so it is fascinating to see how they survive. Guess it is a 'girl' thing about snakes (oh jackie, how sexist of you VVBG). I really don't know why people tend to shy away from snakes. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:48:39 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Probably an urban myth--sort of like the cat and babies, I would imagine. May have happened that the snake was looking, but then the conclusion was that the snake was looking for dinner. However, I am not going to be the one to test this at all. Like Kaye, I have a healthy respect for snakes--I respect their privacy and I feel healthy about doing so. But, I do know there are people who enjoy them as pets, but as Kathy says--if you are going to have pets, you use common sense in the pet you choose. Urban myths are fun though as they really are "morality stories" in disguise. jackief Hi Jackie, Either morality stories or an attempt to frighten, gross out or shock. Remember the old stories like the one about the couple making out in the car and the one armed serial killer they hear a story about on the radio. He escaped from prison that night. Then they find the hook on the door handle of the car. LOL. I've never had a big problem with snakes, but I don't mess with them. I like to see them in the zoo, however. And I got to touch a python once when a guy brought him into work. You could feel the muscles under the skin and could just imagine how easily a snake of that size could squeeze a person to death. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, Boy the way we condition our children to develop the stereotypes of what a girl should be like and what a boy should be like is amazing. I like to observe people and their kids in areas like the park or a doctor's office. I'm sure the adults don't realize what they are doing, but it is so obvious. Even people who aren't the kids' parents do it. Sure, you can use the Lewis and Clark line. You can use anything I post here. G At your own risk, of course. And we DID use covered wagons in the 50's and 60's. They were Chevy's and Ford's however. And that was when gas was cheap. Bill On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:38:43 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I was waiting for someone to catch that little remark--LOL. I thought of Kathy when I wrote it and laughed. I was a real tomboy (big time) and used to get furious when people would say that I shouldn't be doing those things or saying something because it was a "boy" thing. Can I use the "Lewis and Clark" quote--love it!! Much better than going to my place to see my etchings. The worst one in my book was the "Let's play doctor one." Now, no one in their right mind enjoys going to the doctor's so why would I enjoy playing at it?? Glad you like my phrasing--hmm, somehow that sounds "dirty" (hahah). I guess that is how us "girlies" (now that is a term I hated) learned to talk dirty in public back in the covered wagon days when I was a young. (Don't laugh, my students sometimes act like the 50s and 60s were the covered wagon days or ancient history). jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
