Re: [Lazarus] Performance of GTK 2 and CE

2008-11-13 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Runs both locally and remotely. I had to tinker with the -Fu in
> extrafpc.cfg to compile, so far I've only used 0.9.24 and haven't tried x86.

Excellent. :-)  Could you pass on those changes to extrafpc.cfg, so I
can add it in.

> overhead. It might even be a good default widget set, with
> gtk2/Qt/Carbon etc. being selected where the target distro and window
> manager are known.

A few others have suggested this to me as well, but that's up to the
Lazarus developers and how quickly we can get LCL-fpGUI implemented
and stable.  The huge benefit of LCL-fpGUI will be bug fixing and
feature support. No need to limit the widget set to a specific version
of the GUI toolkit. Plus if there is a bug or some implementation
difference in fpGUI it could easily be tweaked, whereas with GTK2, Qt
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Re: [Lazarus] Forums on www.lazarus.freepascal.org is virtually unusable

2008-11-13 Thread Lukas Gradl
> The latest news is/was that the machines where the lazarus site is 
> running on were "DOSsed" by some Austrian address.

By some Austrian address? I swear - its not me...



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Re: [Lazarus] How to use FPC 2.3.1

2008-11-13 Thread Paul Ishenin
Fabio Dell'Aria wrote:
> Hi to all,
> 
> is possible to use FPC 2.3.1 with the last Lazarus 0.9.26?
> 
> If yes how I can do this?
> 

On which OS?

On windows:
1) compile fpc 2.3.1
2) compile lazarus by using make from the apropriate fpc directory (for 
example I do "d:\programming\fpc_2_3\bin\i386-win32\make.exe bigide 
lazbuild"
3) setup apropriate directories and files in the environment options of 
the lazarus ide

On linux:
1) compile fpc 2.3.1 (make all, make install)
2) redirect ppc386 symlink to the new fpc 2.3.1 executable
3) in the lazarus directory do "make bigide"
4) setup apropriate directories and files in the environment options of 
the lazarus ide

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Re: [Lazarus] Performance of GTK 2 and CE

2008-11-13 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

> The fpGUI UI Designer project file is located in
> /uidesigner/uidesigner.lpi
> Alteratively you can compile from the command line as follows:
>   cd /uidesigner
>   fpc @extrafpc.cfg uidesigner.lpr

Runs both locally and remotely. I had to tinker with the -Fu in 
extrafpc.cfg to compile, so far I've only used 0.9.24 and haven't tried x86.

I'll put more time into this presently, but after what I've seen over 
the last few days I think getting LCL+fpgui complete would be an 
admirable endeavour since it looks as though otherwise we will be at the 
mercy of gtk1 being discontinued and gtk2 being hobbled by excessive 
overhead. It might even be a good default widget set, with 
gtk2/Qt/Carbon etc. being selected where the target distro and window 
manager are known.

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Re: [Lazarus] Performance of GTK 2 and CE

2008-11-13 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Luiz Americo Pereira Camara wrote:
> Mark Morgan Lloyd escreveu:
>> Having said that I want to try to get 0.9.27 onto my remaining available 
>> SPARC system, I'm very worried at the prospect of being marooned with 
>> gtk1 on 0.9.24 while the rest of the World moves on
> 
> 
> Did you tried to compile/use 0.9.27 with gtk1? It still possible to do 
> that. No need to switch to older versions of Lazarus/fpc.

The current situation with 0.9.27+2.2.3 on SPARC appears to be as below.

gtk1: Bus error in object inspector attempting to create an event handler.

gtk2: IDE operation appears OK but bus error during compilation.

Both raise an exception and fail to exit (I also see this on ARM).

I'm afraid I don't have backtraces for these, I need to get a copy of 
0.9.27 onto a more accessible development machine- something I'm happier 
doing now that my desk system is back on a usable 0.9.24.

Unfortunately my fastest SPARC only has gtk1 on it- I could probably fix 
that by changing distro but there's only so many problems I can cope 
with at one time.

I'll try to get onto this in a few days but I'm likely to need some 
help. Please don't kick me too hard :-)

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[Lazarus] How to use FPC 2.3.1

2008-11-13 Thread Fabio Dell'Aria
Hi to all,

is possible to use FPC 2.3.1 with the last Lazarus 0.9.26?

If yes how I can do this?

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[Lazarus] KOL-CE and TKOLDataModule

2008-11-13 Thread Usuario Anónimo
Whithout KOL-CE componentes I normally use a TDataModule and I access to its
properties, methods and attributes by means of the DataModule1 variable.

Which is the correct way to use a TKOLDataModule?

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Re: [Lazarus] KOL-CE and OnClick event in TKOLButton

2008-11-13 Thread Usuario Anónimo
I have installed the 2.80.2 version and it work, thank you!

2008/11/13 Usuario Anónimo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I use 2.80.1 version and Lazarus 0.927.
>
> 2008/11/13 Yury Sidorov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>  Do you use the latest 2.80.2 version of KOL-CE?
>>
>> - Original Message - *From:* Usuario Anónimo<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> *To:* General mailing list 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:36 PM
>> *Subject:* [Lazarus] KOL-CE and OnClick event in TKOLButton
>>
>> Hi, I have this code:
>>
>> procedure TForm1.Button1Click(Sender: PObj);
>> begin
>>   ShowMessage('KOL-CE');
>> end;
>>
>> but if I push the button does not happen anything.
>>
>> I have watched in the Object Inspector and the OnClick event is not
>> assigned and I can not assign it manually. What is the problem?
>>
>> Best regards.
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Re: [Lazarus] KOL-CE and OnClick event in TKOLButton

2008-11-13 Thread Yury Sidorov
That's the source of the problem. You need to use KOL-CE 2.80.2 with the latest 
versions of Lazarus.

Yury.

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From: Usuario Anónimo 
To: General mailing list 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Lazarus] KOL-CE and OnClick event in TKOLButton


I use 2.80.1 version and Lazarus 0.927.


2008/11/13 Yury Sidorov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  Do you use the latest 2.80.2 version of KOL-CE?

  - Original Message - 
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  To: General mailing list 
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:36 PM
  Subject: [Lazarus] KOL-CE and OnClick event in TKOLButton


  Hi, I have this code:


  procedure TForm1.Button1Click(Sender: PObj);
  begin
ShowMessage('KOL-CE');
  end;

  but if I push the button does not happen anything. 

  I have watched in the Object Inspector and the OnClick event is not assigned 
and I can not assign it manually. What is the problem?

  Best regards.





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Re: [Lazarus] KOL-CE and OnClick event in TKOLButton

2008-11-13 Thread Usuario Anónimo
I use 2.80.1 version and Lazarus 0.927.

2008/11/13 Yury Sidorov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>  Do you use the latest 2.80.2 version of KOL-CE?
>
> - Original Message - *From:* Usuario Anónimo<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* General mailing list 
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:36 PM
> *Subject:* [Lazarus] KOL-CE and OnClick event in TKOLButton
>
> Hi, I have this code:
>
> procedure TForm1.Button1Click(Sender: PObj);
> begin
>   ShowMessage('KOL-CE');
> end;
>
> but if I push the button does not happen anything.
>
> I have watched in the Object Inspector and the OnClick event is not
> assigned and I can not assign it manually. What is the problem?
>
> Best regards.
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Re: [Lazarus] KOL-CE and OnClick event in TKOLButton

2008-11-13 Thread Yury Sidorov
Do you use the latest 2.80.2 version of KOL-CE?

- Original Message - 
From: Usuario Anónimo 
To: General mailing list 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:36 PM
Subject: [Lazarus] KOL-CE and OnClick event in TKOLButton


Hi, I have this code:


procedure TForm1.Button1Click(Sender: PObj);
begin
  ShowMessage('KOL-CE');
end;

but if I push the button does not happen anything. 


I have watched in the Object Inspector and the OnClick event is not assigned 
and I can not assign it manually. What is the problem?

Best regards.








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[Lazarus] KOL-CE and OnClick event in TKOLButton

2008-11-13 Thread Usuario Anónimo
Hi, I have this code:

procedure TForm1.Button1Click(Sender: PObj);
begin
  ShowMessage('KOL-CE');
end;

but if I push the button does not happen anything.

I have watched in the Object Inspector and the OnClick event is not assigned
and I can not assign it manually. What is the problem?

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Re: [Lazarus] Performance of GTK 2 and CE

2008-11-13 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can't help notice that IDE 0.9.26 compiled for gtk2 crawls, I've not
> yet investigated the speed of gtk2 apps. Is this being slowed down by

Just to confirm... I just tried running gtk2 based Lazarus IDE
(0.9.27). And yes, it's unusable via a remote X11 connection. Huge
delays in user interaction.

Yet other GTK2 based applications do not have this issue. I managed to
run programs like gEdit, Firefox etc without such issues. So it's
definitely a Lazarus specific issue.

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Re: [Lazarus] Performance of GTK 2 and CE

2008-11-13 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If he sees performance problems with my code, i.e. it's a basic
>> drawing-speed issue rather than something application-specific, is there
>> any other WinCE/PocketPC user who could take both the source and binary
>> by direct email in an attempt to see what's going wrong?

> I would be interested in taking a look at the application. I am one of
> the developers of the wince interface.
> 
> Gmail won't take .exe or .zip with an exe inside, so change the
> extensions to close similars, like winzip and winexe.

Thanks for that, I believe Andy is watching the list (even though he 
still can't post) and I'll make sure he's aware.

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Re: [Lazarus] Performance of GTK 2 and CE

2008-11-13 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If he sees performance problems with my code, i.e. it's a basic
> drawing-speed issue rather than something application-specific, is there
> any other WinCE/PocketPC user who could take both the source and binary
> by direct email in an attempt to see what's going wrong?

Hi,

I would be interested in taking a look at the application. I am one of
the developers of the wince interface.

Gmail won't take .exe or .zip with an exe inside, so change the
extensions to close similars, like winzip and winexe.

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Re: [Lazarus] Performance of GTK 2 and CE

2008-11-13 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Aleš Katona wrote:

 > Fair enough about the quote, but the wording you used originally made
 > the impression of blackmailing on me, that's where the original
 > tension is from.

That was certainly not my intention and I apologise without reservation 
to anybody who took it that way.

However if somebody had said "C# won't do what you want because it 
doesn't have a decent form designer or integrated debugger" it would 
certainly have reinforced my preference to stay with Lazarus.

 > I understand your position and the original message now, and to
 > explain my reaction, we get some people here which when their personal
 > needs are not met (usually bussiness driven people), end up being all
 > negativist about the project and start a sort of mini-war about how
 > they'll go to  and how ours sucks etc.
 > usually very immature reactions.

My position is that if somebody wants a feature in a piece of 
open-source software and has commercial resources they should sponsor 
its development with a bounty. I've never said "I want this feature", I 
admit that I have rather thrown my hands up in horror when something 
doesn't work (e.g. hiding the menu bar in gtk1), stops working (SPARC in 
0.9.26) or is implausibly slow (e.g. gtk2 to a remote X screen). If 
somebody doesn't have commercial resources they should use their free 
time to learn how to add the facilities they want. If somebody has 
neither commercial resources nor free time I guess a bit of charity is 
in order, but they certainly shouldn't /demand/ anything :-)

 > As to the problem of Gtk2/LCL speed, it's still quite possible there's
 > a bug in LCL which does some unnecessary drawing/signals in gtk2 (this
 > was so in the past, but on my end/setup was fixed).

I don't think that speed is really the issue. The "Big Freeze" after 
mouse movement is far more serious, and using Wireshark I've not seen 
LAN traffic during this- I might be wrong and will revisit if I've got time.

 > Many people get problems with remote lazarus tho, but I'm not sure if
 > it's only Lazarus/LCL or also other gtk2 programs.

I think it's specific to Lazarus in this case since I've not seen other 
problems with Debian "Lenny" which defaults to gtk2, and I almost 
invariably run this to a remote screen. It could be some rarely-used 
facility in the gtk2 libraries that is only being used by the LCL, but 
that is tantamount to saying it's a Lazarus problem.

 > Also as I said before, gtk2 performance in general depends heavily on
 > many aspects including the drivers, theme, it's version and settings
 > in X.org (for examply my "miraculous" speed is actually result of
 > using the EXA accelmethod).

Understood, and I think that the significant difference in gtk2 
performance between the two machines I was using as "X terminals" (I 
prefer that term because so many people get confused by discussion of 
what a server is in this context) suggests that at least part of the 
speed issue is dependent upon properties or facilities negotiated 
between gtk and X. However as I've said I don't think reduced 
performance is the significant issue here.

Going back to your earlier question about display types, both systems 
that I was using as X terminals for test purposes are probably far too 
old to have significant hardware acceleration- certainly as is 
understood today. The IBM PC-310 is reported by lspci to have an S3 
86C864, the Sony Maiow is reported by NT to be a NeoMagic MagicGraph 
128XV; in both cases they are operating at 1024x768x16 (I think) and 
have about 2Mb RAM. Obviously the video in Sun systems is custom, there 
are issues on that platform about what kernel versions support 
acceleration for GLX that I think aren't relevant to the current 
discussion; the IBM has a Savage which again has acceleration issues 
which I don't think are relevant since in general I'm not using it as a 
display device. The remaining Compaqs have onboard video, I might be 
able to replace the 3000 with something marginally newer from our 
hardware store but I don't think the details are relevant.

I need to press on with a bit of USB hacking to keep people happy at 
this end, I'm also trying to revisit 0.9.27+gtk2 on SPARC. If I can I'll 
try to look at the menu bar issue with gtk1, but the "Big Freeze" almost 
certainly needs more familiarity with the LCL's innards than I will be 
able to build up in finite time.

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Re: [Lazarus] Performance of GTK 2 and CE

2008-11-13 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
>
> Gmail won't take .exe or .zip with an exe inside, so change the
> extensions to close similars, like winzip and winexe.

Yeah, that is damn irritating!!!  Plus they don't even do a good job
of it. I attached a .tar.gz with only source code in it. The email got
rejected saying it contains and executable!! Dumb idiots!

As an alternative, use the good old method of manually base64 encoding
or uuencode your attachments and paste them into your email as
standard text. How sad that we need to resort to the stone ages
because ISP's and people like GMail can't find better solutions to
virus. Everybody should simply switch to Linux and kiss viruses
goodbye! :-)

PS:
FPC comes with a base64 and I think a uuencode/decode units.


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Re: [Lazarus] Inttostr and strtoint functions give compile time errors.

2008-11-13 Thread Henry Vermaak
2008/11/13 Peter Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm getting an error message with inttostr() function & strtoint() function
> giving me an error message (identifier not found). Which unit do I need to
> include to make these messages go away?

uses sysutils; ?

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Re: [Lazarus] Forums on www.lazarus.freepascal.org is virtually unusable

2008-11-13 Thread Marc Weustink
Florian Klaempfl wrote:
> Maybe Michael H. can find out why it's slow and then we can look for
> solutions how to improve it for example by moving part of the site to
> another machine.

The latest news is/was that the machines where the lazarus site is 
running on were "DOSsed" by some Austrian address.
To improve overall perfomance, Michael planned to increased the 
bandwidth, which should be done by now. Don't think that this will help 
against such "attacks"

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[Lazarus] Inttostr and strtoint functions give compile time errors.

2008-11-13 Thread Peter Williams
Hi All,

I'm getting an error message with inttostr() function & strtoint() function
giving me an error message (identifier not found). Which unit do I need to
include to make these messages go away?

  showmessage( 'Error [index(es) out of range]:' + #13 +
// line 174 below
   'current_x = ' + inttostr( current_x ) + #13 +
   'current_y = ' + inttostr( current_y ) + #13 +
   'new_direction = ' + inttostr( new_direction) + #13 +
   'old_direction = ' + inttostr( old_direction) );

Unit1.pas(174,45) Error: Identifier not found "inttostr"
Unit1.pas(175,45) Error: Identifier not found "inttostr"
Unit1.pas(176,49) Error: Identifier not found "inttostr"
Unit1.pas(177,49) Error: Identifier not found "inttostr"
Unit1.pas(269,33) Error: Identifier not found "inttostr"
Unit1.pas(270,33) Error: Identifier not found "inttostr"
Unit1.pas(274,26) Error: Identifier not found "strtoint"
Unit1.pas(280,26) Error: Identifier not found "strtoint"
Unit1.pas(307) Fatal: There were 8 errors compiling module, stopping

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Re: [Lazarus] Performance of GTK 2 and CE

2008-11-13 Thread Aleš Katona
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:21:16 +
Mark Morgan Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Fair enough, but I think that puts me in a position that I need to state 
> my policy and that of the people I work for and with.
> 
> My policy is that I would prefer to build up enough competence in 
> Lazarus and FPC to be able to make a worthwhile contribution to them.
> 
> Our policy is that we don't want to be forced into supplying equipment 
> and services to our customers which carry unfavourable technical and 
> contractual baggage. Roughly translated, we don't want to embed MS OSes 
> in x86 kit unless it really is inevitable :-)
> 
> We need to eat, and if it gets to the point where the time I'm putting 
> into dragging myself painfully up the learning curve prevents me from 
> doing concrete development and system management that is going to be a 
> problem. Fortunately I don't think we're particularly near that, but I 
> regularly find that "real work" intervenes in things that are far more 
> interesting and knocks me offline for days or weeks.
> 
> I think you are being slightly unfair characterising Lazarus, and by 
> extension other open-source projects, as being driven entirely by 
> goodwill rather than by enlightened self-interest. The bottom line is 
> that we like Pascal-style languages, we value the integrated design and 
> debugging that Delphi championed in its days of glory, and for a whole 
> lot of reasons we want those facilities on platforms that Borland never 
> took seriously.
> 

I never ment to say it's good-will based. The itch part means it's based on 
personal needs as well of course. The point was it's not based on 3rd party 
needs or requests (at least not "enough").

> Now I'm trying to do my bit keeping things going on SPARC, in part 
> because it's a representative non-x86 architecture so is worth attention 
> but also because- at present- it's comparatively easy to get SPARC-based 
> systems which go rather larger than x86-based.
> 
> Finally, I would thank you not to mis-quote me. You claim that I wrote 
> "we'll be forced to go elsewhere". I did not write that, what I put was 
> "I'm in a position where I find myself wondering whether I should start
> looking at C# or possibly Embarcadero's current offering" which I think 
> is fair comment. We should all be doing that now and again, not so much 
> to try to woo new "customers" but simply to ensure that there was not 
> some much-appreciated and easy-to-implement facility which was being 
> overlooked.
> 

Fair enough about the quote, but the wording you used originally made the 
impression of blackmailing on me, that's where the original tension is from.

I understand your position and the original message now, and to explain my 
reaction, we get some people here which when their personal needs are not met 
(usually bussiness driven people), end up being all negativist about the 
project and start a sort of mini-war about how they'll go to  and how ours sucks etc. usually very immature reactions.

The original misconception was on my side though, I misinterpreted your message 
as being somewhat blackmail-ish while you were simply stating a decision (the 
main reason I think was that you mentioned concrete alternatives which led me 
to believe you ment to do some sort of "they're better" statement).

As to the problem of Gtk2/LCL speed, it's still quite possible there's a bug in 
LCL which does some unnecessary drawing/signals in gtk2 (this was so in the 
past, but on my end/setup was fixed). Many people get problems with remote 
lazarus tho, but I'm not sure if it's only Lazarus/LCL or also other gtk2 
programs. Also as I said before, gtk2 performance in general depends heavily on 
many aspects including the drivers, theme, it's version and settings in X.org 
(for examply my "miraculous" speed is actually result of using the EXA 
accelmethod).

I have no idea about CE, the only time I used lazarus CE apps was to test my 
lib in an emulator (so it was slow enough by itself).

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Re: [Lazarus] Forums on www.lazarus.freepascal.org is virtually unusable

2008-11-13 Thread Michael Van Canneyt


On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Florian Klaempfl wrote:

> Maybe Michael H. can find out why it's slow and then we can look for
> solutions how to improve it for example by moving part of the site to
> another machine.

And while you're at it, update the look of the lazarus site, so it
is more in sync with the freepascal/wiki one. The contrast is rather
big...

Michael.
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Re: [Lazarus] Forums on www.lazarus.freepascal.org is virtually unusable

2008-11-13 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Maybe Michael H. can find out why it's slow and then we can look for
solutions how to improve it for example by moving part of the site to
another machine.
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