Re: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set

[Giuliano Colla via Lazarus]

Il 23/04/2017 12:14, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus ha scritto:


I don't think the dialog needs to be changed to begin with,

+1

We have a summary on the left, and details on the right.

If you just need to check what has to be fixed you look to the list box, 
while if you want to verify the proper Lazarus path, the selection of 
the right compiler, the right sources etc. you use the right side tabs.


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Re: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set

[Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus wrote:


On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 11:13:43 +0200 (CEST)
Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus  wrote:


[...]
I like your use of "soon" :-)

Given that the dialog has not changed substantially in many years, 
I think we can safely remove the listbox, still assuming that 
something must be removed :)


It would be more "safe" to remove the tabs, as AFAIK not all widgetsets
support tab icons, other languages have wider captions and eventually
more items will be added.


I don't think the dialog needs to be changed to begin with, 
but if general opinion is that it needs changing, 
I don't have strong opinions on how it is changed, so "go ahead..."


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Re: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set

[Sandro Cumerlato via Lazarus]

With Michael explanation it looks like the best solution.

Sorry for my misunderstanding.

Sandro


On 23 Apr 2017 10:30, "Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus" <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> On 2017-04-23 07:21, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
> > This dialog has one tabset -from PageControl, and another - from left
> > Listbox/Listview. Confusing. Better leave one Listbox.
>
> I kind-of see what you mean - duplicated information. The idea was
> probably to have the "error state" available for all settings involved.
> Obviously that can be resolved too. Simply remove the listbox and then
> place error state icons in the tabs where applicable. So you will still
> get an overview of what settings are wrong.
>
> Regards,
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Re: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set

[Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:49:02 +0200 (CEST)
Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus  wrote:

>[...]
> *If* something needs to be removed, I would remove the listbox. 
> It only takes up a lot of space, and it's mostly empty.

The idea was to add more checks/issues and some common choices, like
language and docked/undocked. Then the tabs will soon run
out of space.

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Re: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set

[Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus wrote:


On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:49:02 +0200 (CEST)
Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus  wrote:


[...]
*If* something needs to be removed, I would remove the listbox. 
It only takes up a lot of space, and it's mostly empty.


The idea was to add more checks/issues and some common choices, like
language and docked/undocked. Then the tabs will soon run
out of space.


I like your use of "soon" :-)

Given that the dialog has not changed substantially in many years, 
I think we can safely remove the listbox, still assuming that 
something must be removed :)


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Re: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set

[Sandro Cumerlato via Lazarus]

Good idea! +1000

Sandro

On 23 Apr 2017 10:49, "Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus" <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:


You can achieve the same with a status icon on the tabs.

*If* something needs to be removed, I would remove the listbox. It only
takes up a lot of space, and it's mostly empty.

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Re: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set

[Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Sandro Cumerlato via Lazarus wrote:


With Michael explanation it looks like the best solution.

Sorry for my misunderstanding.


? No need to apologize. 
All is clear in the end, that's what matters :)


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Re: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set

[Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus]

On 2017-04-23 09:49, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus wrote:
> *If* something needs to be removed, I would remove the listbox. 
> It only takes up a lot of space, and it's mostly empty.

 +1

It is takes up a lot of space with not much or no benefit at all.

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Re: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set

[Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Sandro Cumerlato via Lazarus wrote:


If I have understand correctly, it is better to have only one list. I
prefer the left Listbox.


Ah...

Why is it better ? I quite like the fact that there are 2 possibilities ?

Seems very much like a matter of taste to me.

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Re: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set

[Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Sandro Cumerlato via Lazarus wrote:


On 23 Apr 2017 10:30, "Graeme Geldenhuys

Simply remove the listbox and then
place error state icons in the tabs
where applicable. So you will still get
an overview of what settings are
wrong.


-1

IMHO left ListBox is better because error states are visible even if tab is
not selected. I would convert right tabs to frames or something similar.


You can achieve the same with a status icon on the tabs.

*If* something needs to be removed, I would remove the listbox. 
It only takes up a lot of space, and it's mostly empty.


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Re: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set

[Sandro Cumerlato via Lazarus]

If I have understand correctly, it is better to have only one list. I
prefer the left Listbox.

Sandro

On 23 Apr 2017 10:17, "Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus" <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
>
> This dialog has one tabset -from PageControl, and another - from left
>> Listbox/Listview. Confusing. Better leave one Listbox.
>>
>> Picture.
>>
>
> Can you explain in more detail what is wrong with the dialog ?
>
> I look at this picture, and I see absolutely nothing wrong or confusing
> about it ?
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Re: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set

[Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus]

On 2017-04-23 07:21, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
> This dialog has one tabset -from PageControl, and another - from left 
> Listbox/Listview. Confusing. Better leave one Listbox.

I kind-of see what you mean - duplicated information. The idea was
probably to have the "error state" available for all settings involved.
Obviously that can be resolved too. Simply remove the listbox and then
place error state icons in the tabs where applicable. So you will still
get an overview of what settings are wrong.

Regards,
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Re: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set

[Sandro Cumerlato via Lazarus]

On 23 Apr 2017 10:30, "Graeme Geldenhuys
> Simply remove the listbox and then
> place error state icons in the tabs
> where applicable. So you will still get
> an overview of what settings are
> wrong.

-1

IMHO left ListBox is better because error states are visible even if tab is
not selected. I would convert right tabs to frames or something similar.

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Re: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set

[Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:

This dialog has one tabset -from PageControl, and another - from left 
Listbox/Listview. Confusing. Better leave one Listbox.


Picture.


Can you explain in more detail what is wrong with the dialog ?

I look at this picture, and I see absolutely nothing wrong or confusing about 
it ?

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Re: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set

[Sandro Cumerlato via Lazarus]

+1

Better leave left Listbox.

Sandro

On 23 Apr 2017 08:21, "Alexey via Lazarus" 
wrote:

> This dialog has one tabset -from PageControl, and another - from left
> Listbox/Listview. Confusing. Better leave one Listbox.
>
> Picture.
>
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