Re: [Lazarus] up with Lazarus !
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 4:43 PM Marco van de Voort wrote: > > Op 2-12-2021 om 14:37 schreef Mehmet Erol Sanliturk: > > The fault is not in the program . If it were in the program I am sure > > that it would produce a proper run time error . There is no such an > > error . The run is terminated from different parts of the program by > > the OSes after a ( large number of thousand ) recursive entries into > > almost > > all of the involved procedures covering a very large portion of ( > > around ) 12000 procedures during transaction processing which involves > > more recursions with respect to query . > > When only the query part is used there is no problem . During small > > transaction usage , again > > there is no problem . Increasing system defined run time stack size is > > not changing anything . > > > > ulimit limits? Does it also happen running as root? > > Debian seems to have a 8k ulimit by default. (type "ulimit -h") > < This limit is defined for shell . > > At present my NFS server has not been running for more than a few years . If I start it I need to determine how to restart my work . This will take some time . I did not try Debian . Many years ago I attempted to use Debian , but I found that Mandriva was more suitable for me . When Mandriva closed down , I switched to Fedora . At present I am using Fedora 25 : [s@localhost ~]$ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 4.13.16-100.fc25.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Nov 27 19:52:46 UTC 20 17 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [s@localhost ~]$ [s@localhost ~]$ ulimit -h bash: ulimit: -h: invalid option ulimit: usage: ulimit [-SHabcdefilmnpqrstuvxT] [limit] [s@localhost ~]$ ulimit -H unlimited [s@localhost ~]$ [s@localhost ~]$ ulimit -a core file size (blocks, -c) unlimited data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited scheduling priority (-e) 0 file size (blocks, -f) unlimited pending signals (-i) 30781 max locked memory (kbytes, -l) 64 max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited open files (-n) 1024 pipe size(512 bytes, -p) 8 POSIX message queues (bytes, -q) 819200 real-time priority (-r) 0 stack size (kbytes, -s) 8192 cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited max user processes (-u) 30781 virtual memory (kbytes, -v) unlimited file locks (-x) unlimited [s@localhost ~]$ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 4.13.16-100.fc25.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Nov 27 19:52:46 UTC 20 17 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [s@localhost ~]$ Now I do not want to attempt to "improve" the existing operating systems because such improvements will not solve the inherent problems in developing and using large scale software stacks . Reasons are shortly defined below . My opinion about developing a new ( distributed and able to manage large software stacks ) operating system is really a very important goal , because the existent methods about software development and maintenance is causing large amount of losses ( time , effort , money , ... ) . This structure based on ( let's say around ) 1970 technology levels are not suitable for today's requirements . Many years ago when there was a need to a "secure programming language" for large military system supporting software , the Ada is selected , but failed , ( with respect to my memory ( which I may be wrong )) because (1) Ada was not able to compile itself due to its design , (2) The Ada compiler written in a "not-secure language" such as C could not produce a "secure compiler" for Ada . In those days , ( I do not remember name of the computing scientist who expressed the idea ) the expressed idea was " ... the present day software systems can not support development of required secure software for such a large military system ... " . Software development ( with all its components ) is not different from construction of buildings conceptually : It is possible to construct a 1-storey building by using earth-bags , but you can not stack three of them to construct a 3-storey building . You need to use brick at least . You can not construct a 9-storey building buy stacking three 3-storey buildings constructed from brick : You need to use concrete . . . . Such technology and material changes are required during construction of taller and taller buildings . During development of my program I have encountered a similar problem . When the size of the program increased , it became necessary to change the program development system . When the size of the program increased to a larger level , the used method again collapsed , it became necessary to change the program development method once more . These changes became necessary during increasing size of the program . All of the ideas presented in "Software Engineering" literature usable in small programs ( because they derived from small program projects ) are becoming
Re: [Lazarus] up with Lazarus !
Op 2-12-2021 om 14:37 schreef Mehmet Erol Sanliturk: The fault is not in the program . If it were in the program I am sure that it would produce a proper run time error . There is no such an error . The run is terminated from different parts of the program by the OSes after a ( large number of thousand ) recursive entries into almost all of the involved procedures covering a very large portion of ( around ) 12000 procedures during transaction processing which involves more recursions with respect to query . When only the query part is used there is no problem . During small transaction usage , again there is no problem . Increasing system defined run time stack size is not changing anything . ulimit limits? Does it also happen running as root? Debian seems to have a 8k ulimit by default. (type "ulimit -h") -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] up with Lazarus !
On Thu, 2 Dec 2021, Marco van de Voort via lazarus wrote: Op 2-12-2021 om 11:45 schreef Mehmet Erol Sanliturk: Can I convert that program to JavaScript by using Lazarus ? Afaik the pas2js transpiler compiles to an low level javascript that might not be suitable for maintenance after. This is not correct. The code is perfectly readable and maintainable. Some of the constructs used are of course specific to the pascal object language. For instance I do all the debugging in Javascript, and this is perfectly doable. The code is very readable, and you should not have any problem stripping out what you think is too pascal-ish. What you cannot expect to be able to do is recompile from pascal and have the compiler incorporate changes you made to the generated javascript. Michael.-- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] up with Lazarus !
On Thu, 2 Dec 2021, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk via lazarus wrote: Since the subject is "up with Lazarus" can I ask one question as follows : I have a Pascal program having ( around ) 12000 procedures and a small number of units and it is compiled with Lazarus / Free Pascal only in Unix-like operating systems such as Linux and FreeBSD . (1) After converting all of the variant records to non_variant records ( by removing "case " related part of its tag line , by keeping the tag variable ) , (2) There is no any "Initialization" , "Finalization" parts in units (3) Nearly all of the constants , types , and records are marked with their unit names such as Unit_A . constant_name , etc. . Can I convert that program to JavaScript by using Lazarus ? Yes. You can use pas2js to convert it to javascript; provided your program does not do any file IO or GUI, this should be relatively painlesss. Michael. -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] up with Lazarus !
Op 2-12-2021 om 11:45 schreef Mehmet Erol Sanliturk: Can I convert that program to JavaScript by using Lazarus ? Afaik the pas2js transpiler compiles to an low level javascript that might not be suitable for maintenance after. It is not intended for pascal to javascript source conversion, but to compile Pascal codebases to run on javascript only systems. So this will probably all be manual converts. -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] up with Lazarus !
Since the subject is "up with Lazarus" can I ask one question as follows : I have a Pascal program having ( around ) 12000 procedures and a small number of units and it is compiled with Lazarus / Free Pascal only in Unix-like operating systems such as Linux and FreeBSD . (1) After converting all of the variant records to non_variant records ( by removing "case " related part of its tag line , by keeping the tag variable ) , (2) There is no any "Initialization" , "Finalization" parts in units (3) Nearly all of the constants , types , and records are marked with their unit names such as Unit_A . constant_name , etc. . Can I convert that program to JavaScript by using Lazarus ? Later on I want to convert this program to C to link C sources from other permissively licensed repositories directly and then use only C ( not Pascal any more ) , and use JavaScript programs derived from that program where they are more suitable . Your suggestions are appreciated very much . With my best regards , Mehmet Erol Sanliturk On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 12:57 PM Marco van de Voort via lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > > Op 2-12-2021 om 10:19 schreef Marco van de Voort via lazarus: > > > > Op 1-12-2021 om 23:04 schreef Sergey Bodrov via lazarus: > >> Pascal walks into a bar > >> There are 100 000 Pascals in the bar! > >> > > > ... and then he left because there was no Atmosphere. > -- > ___ > lazarus mailing list > lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org > https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus > -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] up with Lazarus !
Op 2-12-2021 om 10:19 schreef Marco van de Voort via lazarus: Op 1-12-2021 om 23:04 schreef Sergey Bodrov via lazarus: Pascal walks into a bar There are 100 000 Pascals in the bar! ... and then he left because there was no Atmosphere. -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] up with Lazarus !
That should be 33 in total! On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 10:20 AM Marco van de Voort via lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > > Op 1-12-2021 om 23:04 schreef Sergey Bodrov via lazarus: > > Pascal walks into a bar > > There are 100 000 Pascals in the bar! > > > Nope, 11, 10 in the bar, and the one that just walked in. > > > -- > ___ > lazarus mailing list > lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org > https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus > -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] up with Lazarus !
Op 1-12-2021 om 23:04 schreef Sergey Bodrov via lazarus: Pascal walks into a bar There are 100 000 Pascals in the bar! Nope, 11, 10 in the bar, and the one that just walked in. -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] up with Lazarus !
Sounds like you were pressured into making a joke... On 2021/12/02 00:04, Sergey Bodrov via lazarus wrote: Pascal walks into a bar There are 100 000 Pascals in the bar! Sorry, i am drunk. Keep bugs out of Lazarus! On Wed, Dec 1, 2021, 14:13 Etienne Leblois via lazarus wrote: We love Lazarus and Pascal programming and anyone's best effort on this is deeply acknowledged. Let us stick to the topic that unites us. Etienne -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] up with Lazarus !
Pascal walks into a bar There are 100 000 Pascals in the bar! Sorry, i am drunk. Keep bugs out of Lazarus! On Wed, Dec 1, 2021, 14:13 Etienne Leblois via lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > We love Lazarus and Pascal programming and anyone's best effort on this > is deeply acknowledged. > > Let us stick to the topic that unites us. > > Etienne > > -- > ___ > lazarus mailing list > lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org > https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus > -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
[Lazarus] up with Lazarus !
We love Lazarus and Pascal programming and anyone's best effort on this is deeply acknowledged. Let us stick to the topic that unites us. Etienne -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
