RE: [Ldsoss] LDS Opencontent Directory
Oh come on, I know that you're against copyright law. I was just being sarcastic since you used the name 'Bork'. Words mean thing, you know... Still, I always marvel at why OSS people are so against copyright law when it has formed the basis for the entire OSS movement. Steve -Original Message- From: Justin R Findlay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] LDS Opencontent Directory On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 06:30:16AM -0600, Steven H. McCown wrote: Applying the definition of the word b0rk to Christopher's use of the word regarding copyright, I would have to also agree that copyright is being destroyed through a concerted attack on [its] character. I further agree that copyright opponents are completely vicious and unfair in their attack. ;-) I don't understand why you want to mischaracterize me as a copyright opponent. If there's anything I oppose about copyright it is unmitigated greed and corruption on the part of unscrupulous holders being rewarded by nefarious laws. Finally, someone realizes the basis for OSS working! I submit that I have a good idea of how OSS copyright works. Justin ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] LDS Opencontent Directory
Justin R Findlay wrote: On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 09:53:53AM -0600, Christopher Phillips wrote: ... Copyright law is seriously b0rk. You have my sympathy for having to regularly deal with it's insanely restrictive terms. According to the New York Times, the verb to bork might be defined as to destroy a judicial nominee through a concerted attack on his character, background and philosophy. (http://www.iht.com/articles/1993/01/13/topi_3.php) Remember Judge Bork? He probably would have been one of the best Supremes... Applying the definition of the word b0rk to Christopher's use of the word regarding copyright, I would have to also agree that copyright is being destroyed through a concerted attack on [its] character. I further agree that copyright opponents are completely vicious and unfair in their attack. ;-) Shane Hathaway wrote: OTOH, copyright law is the foundation for open source software. It clearly has value when applied correctly. Finally, someone realizes the basis for OSS working! Steve ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] LDS Opencontent Directory
On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 06:30:16AM -0600, Steven H. McCown wrote: Applying the definition of the word b0rk to Christopher's use of the word regarding copyright, I would have to also agree that copyright is being destroyed through a concerted attack on [its] character. I further agree that copyright opponents are completely vicious and unfair in their attack. ;-) I don't understand why you want to mischaracterize me as a copyright opponent. If there's anything I oppose about copyright it is unmitigated greed and corruption on the part of unscrupulous holders being rewarded by nefarious laws. Finally, someone realizes the basis for OSS working! I submit that I have a good idea of how OSS copyright works. Justin ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] LDS Opencontent Directory
I think that using existing repositories is a great idea whenever possible, especially for any type of content that might have values to a bigger audience. However I think there is enough LDS themed content that a completely separate directory would be helpful in order to facilitate the setup of an LDS folksonomy to organize information and make the information more accessible. I am not referring as much to coding projects as I am to things like LDS clip art, object lessons, chapters from books, audio recordings, music, etc... Right now you can go to http://www.commoncontent.org/ and do a search for content tagged 'LDS' or go through the categorial hierarchy to maybe find a religion category with a LDS subcategory, but that would likely be the end of the line. However, with an LDS specific directory you could tag things more specifically and have a more specific hierarchy setup- i.e. Church History -- Prophets -- Spencer W. Kimball... The structure for this type of project could be setup fairly quickly, the time consuming part would be gathering, organizing and tagging content as it came in or preferably setting up a way that the community could self organize. ChristopherOn 7/11/06, m0smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather than creating an LDS only repository, why not use the alreadyexisting repositories like sourceforge?For family history relatedprojects, the audience for most any project will expand beyond theWasatch Mountains.You could tag a project as LDS if you think its of interest.I already have several projects on sourceforge, includingone called topoged. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] LDS Opencontent Directory
Besides being only for code, sourceforge isn't a model of user friendliness that you would expect Sunday school teachers will need in a site. I'm a proponent of using existing content repositories where possible (not reinventing the wheel). The downside is that sites like commoncontent.org, like any public place, will have a wide range of viewpoints and opinions on every topic, including some LDS-tagged material that wouldn't be appropriate for inclusion in a Sunday school lesson. For an example, type Mormon into Google Video, YouTube, or Del.icio.us. It would be a hassle to minutely examine every article, but some general control over content might be a good reason to do an LDS-specific repository. On Jul 11, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Christopher Phillips wrote: I think that using existing repositories is a great idea whenever possible, especially for any type of content that might have values to a bigger audience. However I think there is enough LDS themed content that a completely separate directory would be helpful in order to facilitate the setup of an LDS folksonomy to organize information and make the information more accessible. I am not referring as much to coding projects as I am to things like LDS clip art, object lessons, chapters from books, audio recordings, music, etc... Right now you can go to http://www.commoncontent.org/ and do a search for content tagged 'LDS' or go through the categorial hierarchy to maybe find a religion category with a LDS subcategory, but that would likely be the end of the line. However, with an LDS specific directory you could tag things more specifically and have a more specific hierarchy setup- i.e. Church History -- Prophets -- Spencer W. Kimball... The structure for this type of project could be setup fairly quickly, the time consuming part would be gathering, organizing and tagging content as it came in or preferably setting up a way that the community could self organize. Christopher On 7/11/06, m0smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather than creating an LDS only repository, why not use the already existing repositories like sourceforge? For family history related projects, the audience for most any project will expand beyond the Wasatch Mountains. You could tag a project as LDS if you think its of interest. I already have several projects on sourceforge, including one called topoged. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] LDS Opencontent Directory
I am new to the list and was directed here by Richard Miller of the More Good Foundation in response to an email that I sent him yesterday, I pass it on for comment. Richard, I'm sure that the group would love to hear your response and ideas in your reply to my original email... I am sending this email as a suggestion for a Web site that I feel would be a tremendous asset to teaching and the sharing of on-line resources on and about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I work for the Church Educational System (CES) and have been extremely impressed by the work that the More Good Foundation has been doing in promoting the the Church on-line. Recently in CES there have been some extensive discussions on the use of copyrighted materials. Our leadership is very aware and concerned about these issues and the sharing of even Church copyright materials in our classrooms with other teachers. As always, they are approaching the issue with extreme caution to ensure that they are always within any legal and ethical boundaries. The CES organization seems to still be working out many details of what their specific policies will be. It is my understanding that some of these same issues are being addressed in the Worldwide Church. My concern is the extent to which we are being discouraged from using and sharing with each other resources that may be copyrighted. It is unrealistic to expect the general member of the Church to understand the complexities of fair use of copyrighted materials or be familiar with the process of obtaining a release for use of a copyrighted work in a classroom or other limited setting. With that in mind, it may be necessary to prohibit the use of good materials legal to use in certain situations, simply to avoid any risk of copyright violations. Somewhere there needs to be a resource that provides simple, easy to use guidelines on the use of materials as well as a clearinghouse of materials that have been approved for specific uses. One idea would be to create a LDS repository of materials that anyone in the Church could use in their own lessons or share online labeled with an acceptable list of uses so that people could use materials without the concern of violating copyright. A good model might be to consider a Creative Commons License (or a derivative) ( http://creativecommons.org/about/licenses/ ) with content placed into a Common Content ( http://commoncontent.org/ ) type of directory. This collection might include works already be in the public domain and from there could go into a number of directions. Pieces of work from prominent LDS artists or authors, video clips or maybe even LDS-themed PowerPoint themes or presentations. The scope of content could be as limited or expansive as the creator of such a site would like. Content owners may be interested in offering some of their content for free in order to promote awareness of their company. Please let me know if you have any interest, if not, do you have any feedback on the feasibility of such an idea? Thanks, Christopher Phillips http://www.ldsability.org/ ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] LDS Opencontent Directory
On Jul 7, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Christopher Phillips wrote: I am new to the list and was directed here by Richard Miller of the More Good Foundation in response to an email that I sent him yesterday, I pass it on for comment. Richard, I'm sure that the group would love to hear your response and ideas in your reply to my original email... Here is what I originally wrote to Christopher about the idea of a Creative Commons repository for Church content: I think a repository of Creative Commons-licensed Church material would be awesome. An appropriate CC License would allow broad use of the materials while protecting them from commercial interests or any loss of ownership. If the Church allows this sort of use, I'll be happy to help setup the repository. In fact the webmaster for Donny.com has a side project called ldsvault.com that might be the right place for this. He hasn't finished the site but I believe he envisions a site full of free resources for teachers, members, etc. Have you heard of LDSOSS.org? It's the LDS Open Source Software group (unofficial). It's mostly programmers talking about how open source software can help the Church, but it might be a good place to bring up the Creative Commons idea, which is essentially about open source content. If you don't bring it up there I think I will. =) The Church recently hired Tom Welch as the head of the Open Source initiative, so I'll bet he'd be interested in hearing about this too. He frequents the LDSOSS list. I think this is a good idea worth pursuing. Richard ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
