Re: Fw: [Leaf-user] Compact Flash vs CD Rom
On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Upnet Joe wrote: I have a LRP whis Flash Card, however i like to run my router with CD, cause its very easy.. look.almost Flash. CD running LEAF router, no need floppy at all I changed Charles's CD (in bootdisk.bin - root.lrp) linuxrc like this if [ -r $MNT/lrpkg.cfg ]; then ROOTMAP=`sed s/$CR\$// $MNT/lrpkg.cfg` else if [ -r $BOOTDIR/lrpkg.cfg ]; then #---this ROOTMAP=`sed s/$CR\$// $BOOTDIR/lrpkg.cfg`#--this else ROOTMAP=`sed 's/.*LRP=/\1/; s/ .*//1' /proc/cmdline` fi fi Created lrpkg.cfg in /boot tar -cvzf root.lrp insert root.lrp bootdisk.bin created new iso image now I can boot my router with cd no more Floppy, it'll read lrpkg.cfg file from /boot/ heh...plus I still have option to put Floppy if I want to change any thing, once everything in place ReBurn. CDRW burn with Nero (3min) isn't this secure / better than Flash ? That's it Upnet Joe. I've noticed a zillion posts to this list corncerning LEAF on CD-ROM. I curious why there seems to be so little interest in Compact Flash. There's actually quite a bit of interest in CF, and other forms of flash media. I suspect a couple issues are responsible for the substantially larger number of posts regarding CD-ROMs: 1) Like it or not, most folks first LEAF system is built from spare parts lying around, or perhaps an existing system pushed into temporary use as a trial LEAF system. In this environment, standard PC devices (like a floppy disk or CD-ROM boot) are the least path of resistance. 2) Due at least partly to the above, I think most help it's not working type posts come from new users who are following the path of least resistance, and booting with a floppy or CD. 3) It's not really that hard to migrate from a floppy or CD version of LEAF to running off a HDD, CF card, flash based IDE module, or pretty much anything else that looks like a HDD to linux, so I think there are a fair number of users running with flash that we simply never hear from on the list... 4) There are occasional flurries of posts regarding flash storage, especially with regards to write-protectable flash devices (which are hard to come by)...the latest have all been on the LEAF-developer list...perhaps you missed them? Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
[Leaf-user] Compact Flash vs CD Rom
Just a general kind of observation: I've noticed a zillion posts to this list corncerning LEAF on CD-ROM. I curious why there seems to be so little interest in Compact Flash. Admittedly, 16 or 32 MB is not 700 MB but its a lot more than 1.44, its writable ( a million times or so) has no moving parts, is a much tougher physical media, and is cheaper 1 time (the cards cost a lot more than CD's but the adapter is cheaper than a drive). Also, intense competition in the digital camera market is steadily driving the price south. Just curious. Phil. ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] Compact Flash vs CD Rom
pn] It is not (yet) write-protectable. Or is it? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a general kind of observation: I've noticed a zillion posts to this list corncerning LEAF on CD-ROM. I curious why there seems to be so little interest in Compact Flash. Admittedly, 16 or 32 MB is not 700 MB but its a lot more than 1.44, its writable ( a million times or so) has no moving parts, is a much tougher physical media, and is cheaper 1 time (the cards cost a lot more than CD's but the adapter is cheaper than a drive). Also, intense competition in the digital camera market is steadily driving the price south. Just curious. Phil. ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user = - Peter Nosko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) This is a good place for a tagline. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] Compact Flash vs CD Rom
My personal response to this question is I'm Cheap. My mobo doesn't support booting of CD Rom and the only spare CD Rom drive I have doesn't read CDRs (altho obtaining one of these freely wouldn't be too much trouble) - replacing those was outta the question. I installed DCD on HD - cause I had one of those lying around and even worked out the boot up process and everything (I'm not much of a scripter). Definitely, assuming a Compact Flash adapter would work with my Mobo (which should be the case), your approach would have been easier. But then, I'm Cheap, and its more fun having a router that smokes a Linksys and some Ciscos, that didn't cost me a dime, works perfectly and expanded my knowledge base. S From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Leaf-user] Compact Flash vs CD Rom Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:33:14 -0600 Just a general kind of observation: I've noticed a zillion posts to this list corncerning LEAF on CD-ROM. I curious why there seems to be so little interest in Compact Flash. Admittedly, 16 or 32 MB is not 700 MB but its a lot more than 1.44, its writable ( a million times or so) has no moving parts, is a much tougher physical media, and is cheaper 1 time (the cards cost a lot more than CD's but the adapter is cheaper than a drive). Also, intense competition in the digital camera market is steadily driving the price south. Just curious. Phil. ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] Compact Flash vs CD Rom
It is now - here's 2 links http://www.embedone.com/e-main4flashmemory1.htm http://www.quantum.com.pl/produkty_Flash_Com.html ignore the Korean Text support thing at the first site (at least if using IE) - it isn't needed. S From: Peter Nosko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Leaf-user] Compact Flash vs CD Rom Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:44:51 -0800 (PST) pn] It is not (yet) write-protectable. Or is it? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a general kind of observation: I've noticed a zillion posts to this list corncerning LEAF on CD-ROM. I curious why there seems to be so little interest in Compact Flash. Admittedly, 16 or 32 MB is not 700 MB but its a lot more than 1.44, its writable ( a million times or so) has no moving parts, is a much tougher physical media, and is cheaper 1 time (the cards cost a lot more than CD's but the adapter is cheaper than a drive). Also, intense competition in the digital camera market is steadily driving the price south. Just curious. Phil. ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user = - Peter Nosko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) This is a good place for a tagline. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] Compact Flash vs CD Rom
It is now - here's 2 links http://www.embedone.com/e-main4flashmemory1.htm http://www.quantum.com.pl/produkty_Flash_Com.html Great links...I especially like the second, which indicates it's running on a QNX based web-server. Now that's commitment to the embedded marketplace :) Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] Compact Flash vs CD Rom
Any of the standard CF to IDE adaptors should work with these devices... Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) pn] It's about time. Anyone know of an IDE interface for these? --- Charles Steinkuehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is now - here's 2 links http://www.embedone.com/e-main4flashmemory1.htm http://www.quantum.com.pl/produkty_Flash_Com.html Great links...I especially like the second, which indicates it's running on a QNX based web-server. Now that's commitment to the embedded marketplace :) Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
RE: [Leaf-user] Compact Flash vs CD Rom
Dale, Should be close to the same boot time. The throughput on the CF to IDE should be right at the max speed of the IDE bus. I just retimed my boot speed, after adding dhcpd and all the ip_masq modules except IPSEC I'm at 21 seconds. Still alot faster than a floppy. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dale Mirenda Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Leaf-user] Compact Flash vs CD Rom Any idea how the speed of these devices would compare to the DOM's Steve Fink is using? In an earlier post, he reports a boot time of about 14 seconds. Dale Mirenda From: Charles Steinkuehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:05:26 -0600 To: Peter Nosko [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Leaf-user] Compact Flash vs CD Rom Any of the standard CF to IDE adaptors should work with these devices... Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) pn] It's about time. Anyone know of an IDE interface for these? --- Charles Steinkuehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is now - here's 2 links http://www.embedone.com/e-main4flashmemory1.htm http://www.quantum.com.pl/produkty_Flash_Com.html Great links...I especially like the second, which indicates it's running on a QNX based web-server. Now that's commitment to the embedded marketplace :) Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] Compact Flash vs CD Rom
It's easy enough to put a switch on the adapters. I have two of them and will provide some details later. -- Sincerely, David Smead http://www.amplepower.com. On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: Any of the standard CF to IDE adaptors should work with these devices... Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) pn] It's about time. Anyone know of an IDE interface for these? --- Charles Steinkuehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is now - here's 2 links http://www.embedone.com/e-main4flashmemory1.htm http://www.quantum.com.pl/produkty_Flash_Com.html Great links...I especially like the second, which indicates it's running on a QNX based web-server. Now that's commitment to the embedded marketplace :) Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] Compact Flash vs CD Rom
Charles, We discussed these chards (PQI CF WP) on the devel list a couple of months ago. From what we were able to determine the write protect function will not work in true IDE mode. Sorry. ref. search string pqi http://www.mail-archive.com/leaf-devel%40lists.sourceforge.net/ My father and I are still working on the ATA-Disk Module from SST. At 4/5/02 05:05 PM -0600, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: Any of the standard CF to IDE adaptors should work with these devices... pn] It's about time. Anyone know of an IDE interface for these? --- Charles Steinkuehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is now - here's 2 links http://www.embedone.com/e-main4flashmemory1.htm http://www.quantum.com.pl/produkty_Flash_Com.html Great links...I especially like the second, which indicates it's running on a QNX based web-server. Now that's commitment to the embedded marketplace :) The manufacture link for this device is: http://www.pqi.com.tw/eng/ourproduct/ourproduct.htm Note: they're not advertising the WP version any more. I suspect it's due to compatibility problems that were noted in our discussion on the devel list. They have a new secure DOM out. It may be of use. http://www.pqi.com.tw/eng/ourproduct/sdom.htm -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] Compact Flash vs CD Rom
I've noticed a zillion posts to this list corncerning LEAF on CD-ROM. I curious why there seems to be so little interest in Compact Flash. There's actually quite a bit of interest in CF, and other forms of flash media. I suspect a couple issues are responsible for the substantially larger number of posts regarding CD-ROMs: 1) Like it or not, most folks first LEAF system is built from spare parts lying around, or perhaps an existing system pushed into temporary use as a trial LEAF system. In this environment, standard PC devices (like a floppy disk or CD-ROM boot) are the least path of resistance. 2) Due at least partly to the above, I think most help it's not working type posts come from new users who are following the path of least resistance, and booting with a floppy or CD. 3) It's not really that hard to migrate from a floppy or CD version of LEAF to running off a HDD, CF card, flash based IDE module, or pretty much anything else that looks like a HDD to linux, so I think there are a fair number of users running with flash that we simply never hear from on the list... 4) There are occasional flurries of posts regarding flash storage, especially with regards to write-protectable flash devices (which are hard to come by)...the latest have all been on the LEAF-developer list...perhaps you missed them? Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
