RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?

2003-01-29 Thread Todd Pearsall
Thanks for the help Chris, but I really wanted Bering/Shorewall as the
router/firewall for the flexibility for DMZ configurations, dynamic DNS
updates, etc.

Steps to the final solution for the archives:
- The Cayman 3320H cannot be put in bridge mode if it uses PPPoA.  With
the early firmware it will let you, but it doesn't work as a bridge. The
later firmware will not let you.
- Netopia said to try switching it to PPPoE and see if the Cayman can
still connect.  It did, I guess Bell South uses both PPPoA and PPPoE?
- Once in PPPoE you can set it to bridge mode with the docs from the
Netopia web site
- From there setting up Bering was pretty smooth per the User Guide.
The only thing that seemed odd was I thought the PPPoE would only use
the pap id/pw, but I had to add the id/pw to the ppp chat setting also.

Thanks again for the help,
Todd

 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Blackmon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:28 PM
 To: 'Todd Pearsall'
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?
 
 
 Sounds like you have a static IP at this location then.  I 
 believe you can
 let the Cayman take care of the DSL connection and just 
 forward UDP port 500
 and protocol 50 from the Cayman to the Bering box and achieve 
 the desired
 result.  Since you will be NATing the ports, don't forget to 
 use ipsecnat
 for the TYPE column in the Shorewall Tunnels file.
 
 I have a Bering-FreeS/WAN Net-to-Net VPN using BellSouth DSL 
 (dynamic IP and
 a Cayman) on one end and a T1 with a static IP on the other 
 end and it works
 great.
 
 Chris
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Todd Pearsall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:17 PM
  To: 'Chris Blackmon'
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta 
 and PPPoA?
  
  
  Thanks for the reply.
  
  I want to set up this office be able to join the vpn with 2 
 other Leaf
  routers and support road warrior VPN users.  If been reading 
  about their
  VPN add-on for the Cayman (SafeHarbour) and it sounds like 
 I could use
  that to connect to the other offices for $40 per tunnel, 
 but but 5-15
  road warriors will get pricy, vs free like the other offices.  
  
  I was trying to set the Cayman as bridge and do all the routing with
  Bering which I *assumed* meant Bering would have to bring 
 up the PPPoA
  connection as well.  I'd love to be wrong ;).
  
  Thanks,
  Todd
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Chris Blackmon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
   Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:35 AM
   To: 'Todd Pearsall'
   Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta 
  and PPPoA?
   
   
   Todd,
   
   Why do you want the Bering box to make the PPP connection 
  to your ISP
   instead of the router?  I have the same router with BellSouth 
   DSL in Raleigh
   and would like to help, but I guess I am not clear on what 
   you are trying to
   accomplish.
   
   Chris Blackmon
   
-Original Message-
From: Todd Pearsall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:05 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta 
   and PPPoA?


Making a little progress.  I was able to confirm in the 
   Cayman router
setup that it is in fact PPPoA and not PPPoE so at least 
  I can focus
getting the PPPoA up.  I'm using the Bering User's Guide PPPoA
Configuration section which uses an ATM/PCI card vs. I have 
   the Cayman
attached to eth0.  

I'm not sure how I should be defining interfaces the example is:

auto lo ppp0 eth0

iface lo inet loopback

iface ppp0 inet ppp
provider dsl-provider

iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.1.254
masklen 24
broadcast 192.168.1.255

 
What I want to do is:
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

auto ppp0
iface ppp0 inet ppp
provider dsl-provider eth0 -

auto eth1
iface eth1 inet static
address 192.168.1.254
masklen 24
broadcast 192.168.1.255

But the older ppp that you need for pppatm doesn't seem to 
   support the
eth0 parameter.  Should the internal be eth0 or eth1?  
  Any ideas or
direction would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Todd









 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
 Todd Pearsall
 Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:53 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta 
  and PPPoA?
 
 
 I'm trying to setup our location in Atlanta with Bering 
(have 3 others
 running else where in the country).
 
 The router is a Cayman 3220H which I set to bridge mode 

RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?

2003-01-29 Thread Jeff Newmiller
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Todd Pearsall wrote:

 Thanks for the help Chris, but I really wanted Bering/Shorewall as the
 router/firewall for the flexibility for DMZ configurations, dynamic DNS
 updates, etc.
 
 Steps to the final solution for the archives:
 - The Cayman 3320H cannot be put in bridge mode if it uses PPPoA.  With
 the early firmware it will let you, but it doesn't work as a bridge. The
 later firmware will not let you.
 - Netopia said to try switching it to PPPoE and see if the Cayman can
 still connect.  It did, I guess Bell South uses both PPPoA and PPPoE?
 - Once in PPPoE you can set it to bridge mode with the docs from the
 Netopia web site

 - From there setting up Bering was pretty smooth per the User Guide.
 The only thing that seemed odd was I thought the PPPoE would only use
 the pap id/pw, but I had to add the id/pw to the ppp chat setting also.

I think this last note contains a minor error.

/etc/ppp/pap-secrets is a flat-file database of passwords for making
connections.

/etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider is a connection-specific pppd options file in
which the username for that connection must be specified.  pppd looks up
the password in the database, and uses the PAP protocol (a specific
protocol layered on top of ppp) to authenticate the connection.

/etc/chatscripts/provider is used for bringing up serial connections that
might otherwise need a human hand to invoke the ppp protocol on the other
end.  PPPoE has no such phase prior to the beginning of ppp... the
authentication is done AFTER the ppp protocol begins.  Ergo, editing this
file will have no effect on a PPPoE connection.

To remember this, it may help to recognize that you can invoke ppp
connections to multiple destinations, and each will have its own
/etc/ppp/peers/* pppd options file that specifies the username for that
connection, but the username database will contain the passwords for all
connections you plan to make from this machine (at least the ones that use
pap).

 
 Thanks again for the help,

Thanks for summarizing your efforts. :)

[ quotes from Chris omitted. ]

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[leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?

2003-01-28 Thread Todd Pearsall
I'm trying to setup our location in Atlanta with Bering (have 3 others
running else where in the country).

The router is a Cayman 3220H which I set to bridge mode using
instructions on the Cayman (now Netoptia website) and then began setting
up Bering.  BellSouth tech support is telling me the service is PPPoE,
but the router is showing different settings they what they expect.
Based on the Cayman settings it appears to me to be PPPoA (the ATM
Configuration screens has one interface defined as ppp-llc).

I was working with the PPPoE and now PPPoA Bering setups without any
success yet.  Does anyone have this service in the Atlanta area that can
confirm if it is PPPoA and give me any hints?  I'm calling BellSouth
again...

Thanks,
Todd



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RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?

2003-01-28 Thread Todd Pearsall
Making a little progress.  I was able to confirm in the Cayman router
setup that it is in fact PPPoA and not PPPoE so at least I can focus
getting the PPPoA up.  I'm using the Bering User's Guide PPPoA
Configuration section which uses an ATM/PCI card vs. I have the Cayman
attached to eth0.  

I'm not sure how I should be defining interfaces the example is:

auto lo ppp0 eth0

iface lo inet loopback

iface ppp0 inet ppp
provider dsl-provider

iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.1.254
masklen 24
broadcast 192.168.1.255

 
What I want to do is:
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

auto ppp0
iface ppp0 inet ppp
provider dsl-provider eth0 -

auto eth1
iface eth1 inet static
address 192.168.1.254
masklen 24
broadcast 192.168.1.255

But the older ppp that you need for pppatm doesn't seem to support the
eth0 parameter.  Should the internal be eth0 or eth1?  Any ideas or
direction would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Todd









 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
 Todd Pearsall
 Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:53 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?
 
 
 I'm trying to setup our location in Atlanta with Bering (have 3 others
 running else where in the country).
 
 The router is a Cayman 3220H which I set to bridge mode using
 instructions on the Cayman (now Netoptia website) and then 
 began setting
 up Bering.  BellSouth tech support is telling me the service is PPPoE,
 but the router is showing different settings they what they expect.
 Based on the Cayman settings it appears to me to be PPPoA (the ATM
 Configuration screens has one interface defined as ppp-llc).
 
 I was working with the PPPoE and now PPPoA Bering setups without any
 success yet.  Does anyone have this service in the Atlanta 
 area that can
 confirm if it is PPPoA and give me any hints?  I'm calling BellSouth
 again...
 
 Thanks,
 Todd
 
 
 
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Re: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?

2003-01-28 Thread Stephen Lee
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 07:52, Todd Pearsall wrote:
snip
 
 I was working with the PPPoE and now PPPoA Bering setups without any
 success yet.  Does anyone have this service in the Atlanta area that can
 confirm if it is PPPoA and give me any hints?  I'm calling BellSouth
 again...

Have you seen this site on configuring the Cayman for BellSouth?

http://www.netopia.com/en-us/support/technotes/hardware/CQG_122.html?print=yes

It includes info on bridging.

Stephen



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RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?

2003-01-28 Thread Chris Blackmon
Todd,

Why do you want the Bering box to make the PPP connection to your ISP
instead of the router?  I have the same router with BellSouth DSL in Raleigh
and would like to help, but I guess I am not clear on what you are trying to
accomplish.

Chris Blackmon

 -Original Message-
 From: Todd Pearsall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:05 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?
 
 
 Making a little progress.  I was able to confirm in the Cayman router
 setup that it is in fact PPPoA and not PPPoE so at least I can focus
 getting the PPPoA up.  I'm using the Bering User's Guide PPPoA
 Configuration section which uses an ATM/PCI card vs. I have the Cayman
 attached to eth0.  
 
 I'm not sure how I should be defining interfaces the example is:
 
 auto lo ppp0 eth0
 
 iface lo inet loopback
 
 iface ppp0 inet ppp
   provider dsl-provider
 
 iface eth0 inet static
   address 192.168.1.254
   masklen 24
   broadcast 192.168.1.255
 
  
 What I want to do is:
 auto lo
 iface lo inet loopback
 
 auto ppp0
 iface ppp0 inet ppp
   provider dsl-provider eth0 -
 
 auto eth1
 iface eth1 inet static
   address 192.168.1.254
   masklen 24
   broadcast 192.168.1.255
 
 But the older ppp that you need for pppatm doesn't seem to support the
 eth0 parameter.  Should the internal be eth0 or eth1?  Any ideas or
 direction would be greatly appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 Todd
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
  Todd Pearsall
  Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:53 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?
  
  
  I'm trying to setup our location in Atlanta with Bering 
 (have 3 others
  running else where in the country).
  
  The router is a Cayman 3220H which I set to bridge mode using
  instructions on the Cayman (now Netoptia website) and then 
  began setting
  up Bering.  BellSouth tech support is telling me the 
 service is PPPoE,
  but the router is showing different settings they what 
 they expect.
  Based on the Cayman settings it appears to me to be PPPoA (the ATM
  Configuration screens has one interface defined as ppp-llc).
  
  I was working with the PPPoE and now PPPoA Bering setups without any
  success yet.  Does anyone have this service in the Atlanta 
  area that can
  confirm if it is PPPoA and give me any hints?  I'm calling BellSouth
  again...
  
  Thanks,
  Todd
  
  
  
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RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?

2003-01-28 Thread Stephen Lee
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 08:05, Todd Pearsall wrote:
 Making a little progress.  I was able to confirm in the Cayman router
 setup that it is in fact PPPoA and not PPPoE so at least I can focus
 getting the PPPoA up.  I'm using the Bering User's Guide PPPoA
 Configuration section which uses an ATM/PCI card vs. I have the Cayman
 attached to eth0.  
 
 I'm not sure how I should be defining interfaces the example is:
 
 auto lo ppp0 eth0
 
 iface lo inet loopback
 
 iface ppp0 inet ppp
   provider dsl-provider
 
 iface eth0 inet static
   address 192.168.1.254
   masklen 24
   broadcast 192.168.1.255
 
  
 What I want to do is:
 auto lo
 iface lo inet loopback
 
 auto ppp0
 iface ppp0 inet ppp
   provider dsl-provider eth0 -
 
 auto eth1
 iface eth1 inet static
   address 192.168.1.254
   masklen 24
   broadcast 192.168.1.255
 
 But the older ppp that you need for pppatm doesn't seem to support the
 eth0 parameter.  Should the internal be eth0 or eth1?  Any ideas or
 direction would be greatly appreciated.
 

I recently setup a Bering box on Sprint DSL in Florida (thanks to James
Sturdevant). They use PPPoE but all of the PPPoE stuff was taken care of
by the modem (XyZel) so I simply turned on the modem's bridge mode and
configured the bering box as a normal eth0,eth1 setup with no PPP stuff.
The only bit of black magic to get the whole thing working was to power
cycle the LAN switch.

Stephen



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RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?

2003-01-28 Thread Todd Pearsall
Thanks for the reply.

I want to set up this office be able to join the vpn with 2 other Leaf
routers and support road warrior VPN users.  If been reading about their
VPN add-on for the Cayman (SafeHarbour) and it sounds like I could use
that to connect to the other offices for $40 per tunnel, but but 5-15
road warriors will get pricy, vs free like the other offices.  

I was trying to set the Cayman as bridge and do all the routing with
Bering which I *assumed* meant Bering would have to bring up the PPPoA
connection as well.  I'd love to be wrong ;).

Thanks,
Todd

 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Blackmon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:35 AM
 To: 'Todd Pearsall'
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?
 
 
 Todd,
 
 Why do you want the Bering box to make the PPP connection to your ISP
 instead of the router?  I have the same router with BellSouth 
 DSL in Raleigh
 and would like to help, but I guess I am not clear on what 
 you are trying to
 accomplish.
 
 Chris Blackmon
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Todd Pearsall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:05 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta 
 and PPPoA?
  
  
  Making a little progress.  I was able to confirm in the 
 Cayman router
  setup that it is in fact PPPoA and not PPPoE so at least I can focus
  getting the PPPoA up.  I'm using the Bering User's Guide PPPoA
  Configuration section which uses an ATM/PCI card vs. I have 
 the Cayman
  attached to eth0.  
  
  I'm not sure how I should be defining interfaces the example is:
  
  auto lo ppp0 eth0
  
  iface lo inet loopback
  
  iface ppp0 inet ppp
  provider dsl-provider
  
  iface eth0 inet static
  address 192.168.1.254
  masklen 24
  broadcast 192.168.1.255
  
   
  What I want to do is:
  auto lo
  iface lo inet loopback
  
  auto ppp0
  iface ppp0 inet ppp
  provider dsl-provider eth0 -
  
  auto eth1
  iface eth1 inet static
  address 192.168.1.254
  masklen 24
  broadcast 192.168.1.255
  
  But the older ppp that you need for pppatm doesn't seem to 
 support the
  eth0 parameter.  Should the internal be eth0 or eth1?  Any ideas or
  direction would be greatly appreciated.
  
  Thanks,
  Todd
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
   Todd Pearsall
   Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:53 AM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?
   
   
   I'm trying to setup our location in Atlanta with Bering 
  (have 3 others
   running else where in the country).
   
   The router is a Cayman 3220H which I set to bridge mode using
   instructions on the Cayman (now Netoptia website) and then 
   began setting
   up Bering.  BellSouth tech support is telling me the 
  service is PPPoE,
   but the router is showing different settings they what 
  they expect.
   Based on the Cayman settings it appears to me to be PPPoA (the ATM
   Configuration screens has one interface defined as ppp-llc).
   
   I was working with the PPPoE and now PPPoA Bering setups 
 without any
   success yet.  Does anyone have this service in the Atlanta 
   area that can
   confirm if it is PPPoA and give me any hints?  I'm 
 calling BellSouth
   again...
   
   Thanks,
   Todd
   
   
   
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RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?

2003-01-28 Thread Chris Blackmon
Sounds like you have a static IP at this location then.  I believe you can
let the Cayman take care of the DSL connection and just forward UDP port 500
and protocol 50 from the Cayman to the Bering box and achieve the desired
result.  Since you will be NATing the ports, don't forget to use ipsecnat
for the TYPE column in the Shorewall Tunnels file.

I have a Bering-FreeS/WAN Net-to-Net VPN using BellSouth DSL (dynamic IP and
a Cayman) on one end and a T1 with a static IP on the other end and it works
great.

Chris

 -Original Message-
 From: Todd Pearsall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:17 PM
 To: 'Chris Blackmon'
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta and PPPoA?
 
 
 Thanks for the reply.
 
 I want to set up this office be able to join the vpn with 2 other Leaf
 routers and support road warrior VPN users.  If been reading 
 about their
 VPN add-on for the Cayman (SafeHarbour) and it sounds like I could use
 that to connect to the other offices for $40 per tunnel, but but 5-15
 road warriors will get pricy, vs free like the other offices.  
 
 I was trying to set the Cayman as bridge and do all the routing with
 Bering which I *assumed* meant Bering would have to bring up the PPPoA
 connection as well.  I'd love to be wrong ;).
 
 Thanks,
 Todd
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Chris Blackmon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:35 AM
  To: 'Todd Pearsall'
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta 
 and PPPoA?
  
  
  Todd,
  
  Why do you want the Bering box to make the PPP connection 
 to your ISP
  instead of the router?  I have the same router with BellSouth 
  DSL in Raleigh
  and would like to help, but I guess I am not clear on what 
  you are trying to
  accomplish.
  
  Chris Blackmon
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Todd Pearsall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:05 AM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: RE: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta 
  and PPPoA?
   
   
   Making a little progress.  I was able to confirm in the 
  Cayman router
   setup that it is in fact PPPoA and not PPPoE so at least 
 I can focus
   getting the PPPoA up.  I'm using the Bering User's Guide PPPoA
   Configuration section which uses an ATM/PCI card vs. I have 
  the Cayman
   attached to eth0.  
   
   I'm not sure how I should be defining interfaces the example is:
   
   auto lo ppp0 eth0
   
   iface lo inet loopback
   
   iface ppp0 inet ppp
 provider dsl-provider
   
   iface eth0 inet static
 address 192.168.1.254
 masklen 24
 broadcast 192.168.1.255
   

   What I want to do is:
   auto lo
   iface lo inet loopback
   
   auto ppp0
   iface ppp0 inet ppp
 provider dsl-provider eth0 -
   
   auto eth1
   iface eth1 inet static
 address 192.168.1.254
 masklen 24
 broadcast 192.168.1.255
   
   But the older ppp that you need for pppatm doesn't seem to 
  support the
   eth0 parameter.  Should the internal be eth0 or eth1?  
 Any ideas or
   direction would be greatly appreciated.
   
   Thanks,
   Todd
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
Todd Pearsall
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [leaf-user] Help with BellSouth DSL in Atlanta 
 and PPPoA?


I'm trying to setup our location in Atlanta with Bering 
   (have 3 others
running else where in the country).

The router is a Cayman 3220H which I set to bridge mode using
instructions on the Cayman (now Netoptia website) and then 
began setting
up Bering.  BellSouth tech support is telling me the 
   service is PPPoE,
but the router is showing different settings they what 
   they expect.
Based on the Cayman settings it appears to me to be 
 PPPoA (the ATM
Configuration screens has one interface defined as ppp-llc).

I was working with the PPPoE and now PPPoA Bering setups 
  without any
success yet.  Does anyone have this service in the Atlanta 
area that can
confirm if it is PPPoA and give me any hints?  I'm 
  calling BellSouth
again...

Thanks,
Todd



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