Re: [LEAPSECS] TI incunabula

2008-04-14 Thread Deckers, Michael

   On 2008-04-08, Steve Allen posted an interesting NY Times article
   of 1882-01-17 on International Time.

   The article states that the Third International Geographical Congress
   (TIGC) of 1881-09 was held in Vienna. This is incorrect: that congress
   convened not in Vienna but in Venice (which arguably is nicer in
   September anyway). See for instance [Derek Howse: "Greenwich Time
   and the Longitude". pages 130..131 in the 1997 edition].

  Michael Deckers
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Re: [LEAPSECS] TI incunabula

2008-04-08 Thread Rob Seaman

M. Warner Losh wrote:


Poul-Henning Kamp writes:


I can live with International Time as a name, but would far prefer
to have it be Terrestial Time, so it names the rock in question.


Or better yet, Earth Terrestial Time or Earth Normal Time or
Commercial Time, since TT already is an abbreviation for some other
timescale...


Um...TT is the abbreviation for "Terrestrial Time".

It isn't the rock that places requirements on civil timekeeping, it is  
our internationally diverse civilization that derives requirements  
from the rock.  For instance, the Mars rover project derives  
additional requirements from another rock.


Rob

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Re: [LEAPSECS] TI incunabula

2008-04-08 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Poul-Henning Kamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Seaman writes:
: 
: >Oh yeah!  I also heartily support Steve's implicit message here.   
: >Rather than trashing one timescale, let's just simply complete the  
: >proper system engineering started in the Nineteenth century and call  
: >any such new timescale "International Time".
: 
: It has always seemed very pretentious to me, that a timescale bound
: tightly to a particular rotating rock was called "Universal".


Hmmm, tightly rotating rocks


: I can live with International Time as a name, but would far prefer
: to have it be Terrestial Time, so it names the rock in question.

Or better yet, Earth Terrestial Time or Earth Normal Time or
Commercial Time, since TT already is an abbreviation for some other
timescale...

Warner
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Re: [LEAPSECS] TI incunabula

2008-04-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Seaman writes:

>Oh yeah!  I also heartily support Steve's implicit message here.   
>Rather than trashing one timescale, let's just simply complete the  
>proper system engineering started in the Nineteenth century and call  
>any such new timescale "International Time".

It has always seemed very pretentious to me, that a timescale bound
tightly to a particular rotating rock was called "Universal".

I can live with International Time as a name, but would far prefer
to have it be Terrestial Time, so it names the rock in question.

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Re: [LEAPSECS] TI incunabula

2008-04-08 Thread Rob Seaman

Steve Allen wrote:

Popular spreading of the notion of International Time for  
telecommunications, using that name, predates the 1884 International  
Meridian Conference.  The New York Times reported on that in 1882.


http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9F06E6DF123BE033A25754C1A9679C94639FD7CF&oref=slogin


The most obvious thing about that newspaper article is how extremely  
well written it is.  Forget about declining standards of timekeeping -  
the standards of journalism are atrocious today.


My new pet project is to restore the U.S. Central timezone to the  
wonderfully poetic name of Mississippi Valley time.


We should also start prepending the implicit "Rocky" in front of  
Mountain time.  As a loyal, albeit prodigal, son of Philadelphia, I  
champion the proper recognition of Mr. Balboa.


The name Atlantic time from the NYT article was ultimately assigned to  
a different zone, of course.  One also wonders about the Eastern  
timezone of North America, which is the Western timezone of South  
America.


Oh yeah!  I also heartily support Steve's implicit message here.   
Rather than trashing one timescale, let's just simply complete the  
proper system engineering started in the Nineteenth century and call  
any such new timescale "International Time".


Rob Seaman
NOAO

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[LEAPSECS] TI incunabula

2008-04-08 Thread Steve Allen
Popular spreading of the notion of International Time for
telecommunications, using that name, predates the 1884 International
Meridian Conference.  The New York Times reported on that in 1882.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9F06E6DF123BE033A25754C1A9679C94639FD7CF&oref=slogin

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