Re: [LEAPSECS] Birth date question
A while back a list member asked about how legal rules about time would affect the year shown on a person's birth certificate for a person born near midnight December 31 / January 1. As a volunteer emergency medical technician, I have been trained in field childbirth. The EMS state protocol gives no specific instructions about recording time of birth. An approved textbook by Mistovich & Karen, "Prehospital Emergency Care" 9th ed. instructs EMTs to care for mother and baby through the delivery of the placenta (10-20 minutes after birth of the child) and then "Record the time of delivery and transport mother, infant, and placenta to the hospital." So if the instructions are carried out literally, it requires the EMT to mentally estimate a time of about 10 to 20 minutes. My interest in time and names have lead me to come across some other time-of-birth scenarios: A child is born in a conveyance (ambulance, aircraft, ship, etc.) while it is outside the US, but the child is first removed from the conveyance in the US. The child's birth certificate is filed in the locality where the child is removed from the conveyance, but the child's place of birth is the best estimate of where the conveyance was at the time of birth. The time of birth would be the actual time of birth, but the time zone (and hence date) would be that of the location of the conveyance at the time of birth, or the time zone where the child is removed from the conveyance. A child is born in a conveyance, and the conveyance is inside the US at all times. The place of birth is where the child is removed from the conveyance. Typically, this wood be a child born in an ambulance and the child would be removed at the hospital. The same issue of which time described in the first scenario applies. A child is born in the field outside of any conveyance. The time and place of birth are the actual time and place of birth. A child is born in a basic life support (BLS) ambulance, which meets an advance life support (ALS) ambulance on some dark foggy highway. The place of birth is the place where the child is transferred from the BLS to the ALS ambulance, because that is where the child is first removed from a conveyance. All of this may very well be recorded in computerized patient care reports; ambulances are beginning to carry laptops for this purpose. What are the chances the software designers considered all these scenarios? Gerard Ashton PS: (I'm fudging the minutes due to imperfect memory) Dispatched on an ambulance call at 2:30 AM. Returned to quarters 2:15 AM. ___ LEAPSECS mailing list LEAPSECS@leapsecond.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/leapsecs
Re: [LEAPSECS] Birth date question
Gerard Ashton said: > A while back a list member asked about how legal rules about time would > affect the year shown on a person's birth certificate for a person born near > midnight December 31 / January 1. [...] Memory says there was a case in "Uncommon Law" (the 1935 collection of "Misleading Cases") relating to a birth of twins as a ship was passing across the International Date Line. So it's not a new concern. > PS: (I'm fudging the minutes due to imperfect memory) Dispatched on an > ambulance call at 2:30 AM. Returned to quarters 2:15 AM. End of summer time, right? -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: cl...@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646 ___ LEAPSECS mailing list LEAPSECS@leapsecond.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/leapsecs
Re: [LEAPSECS] Birth date question
In message <002d01cf14bc$12a03490$37e09db0$@comcast.net>, "Gerard Ashton" write s: >The time of birth >would be the actual time of birth, but the time zone (and hence date) would >be that of the location of the conveyance at the time of birth, or the time >zone where the child is removed from the conveyance. States don't care about what time of day you were born, and they generally don't care much what day you were born, as long as it is correct within a few days. The main effect of birthdays is to spread administrative workload out over the calendar year, Duration of pregnancy varies by a couple of weeks and therefore your birthday is pretty random to begin with and nobody is in any position to claim if it is the "correct" birthday or not. We instinctively recognize this when we greet somebody with "happy birthday" in the morning, despite the fact that they likely were born later in the day -- or maybe even in a different timezone. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ LEAPSECS mailing list LEAPSECS@leapsecond.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/leapsecs
Re: [LEAPSECS] Birth date question
On 19 Jan 2014, at 09:58, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <002d01cf14bc$12a03490$37e09db0$@comcast.net>, "Gerard Ashton" > write > s: > >> The time of birth >> would be the actual time of birth, but the time zone (and hence date) would >> be that of the location of the conveyance at the time of birth, or the time >> zone where the child is removed from the conveyance. > > States don't care about what time of day you were born, and they > generally don't care much what day you were born, as long as it is > correct within a few days. But your recorded date of birth can have quite noticeable effects at the one-day level.In England, the August 31st/September 1st boundary has marked effects on educational outcomes all the way through the system. Conversely, it potentially exposes parents to an additional year of childcare costs. http://www.ifs.org.uk/wps/wp1006.pdf ian ___ LEAPSECS mailing list LEAPSECS@leapsecond.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/leapsecs
Re: [LEAPSECS] Birth date question
In message <7c853a0f-1460-4eb0-b8ce-b5ca5c06e...@batten.eu.org>, Ian Batten wri tes: >But your recorded date of birth can have quite noticeable effects >at the one-day level.In England, >the August 31st/September 1st boundary has marked effects on >educational outcomes all the way >through the system. Conversely, it potentially exposes parents >to an additional year of childcare costs. Yes, similar 'red lines' exist in most countries. The point I made was that the state does not care what side of that line any one particular kid lands. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ LEAPSECS mailing list LEAPSECS@leapsecond.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/leapsecs
