Re: [LU] 2-0

2019-02-13 Thread Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
 Hmmm...there were at least four misplaced passes too.
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019, 3:26:07 PM EST, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 Great pass by Ayling to Alioski.  Imagine all those Leeds fans who thought he 
should be dropped.  Bielsa has forgotten more they've ever known!

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 13 February 2019 20:22
To: Robert Heath ; Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Link?

Its on LUTV if u are abroad or in the UK with a VPN

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: 13 February 2019 19:21
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Link?

Anybody got a link for the match?
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Re: [LU] 2-1

2019-02-13 Thread Michael Benjamin 
But that table is bloody tight. Late run and Sheffield are tenacious. 
I still believe our best is yet to come. Without hexing us, with injuries 
coming online we are looking to pace ourselves nicely.  

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Nick Allen
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 12:45 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] 2-1

That’ll do.

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[LU] 2-1

2019-02-13 Thread Nick Allen 
That’ll do.

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Re: [LU] 2-0

2019-02-13 Thread Simon McNally 
Ha! To be fair I’d have been one of them until I heard Bielsa’s pre match 
presser the other day - with praise like that he was bound to be walking like 
he was 10 foot tall. Best I’ve seen Ayling for ages - I’ll even let him off the 
daft penalty!
I agree - brilliant ball to Alioski for the Harrison goal

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> On 13 Feb 2019, at 20:25, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> Great pass by Ayling to Alioski.   Imagine all those Leeds fans who thought 
> he should be dropped.  Bielsa has forgotten more they've ever known!
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
> Sent: 13 February 2019 20:22
> To: Robert Heath ; Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Link?
> 
> Its on LUTV if u are abroad or in the UK with a VPN
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
> Sent: 13 February 2019 19:21
> To: Leeds List 
> Subject: [LU] Link?
> 
> Anybody got a link for the match?
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Re: [LU] Link?

2019-02-13 Thread Richard Naef 
And it has Eddie gray

Sent from my mobile


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:10:52 PM
To: Roy Blackwell
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Link?

Yeah used them, but I'm happy to pay the ?5 for what is normally a good up2date 
stream.

Sent from my mobile


From: Roy Blackwell 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:27:38 PM
To: Richard Naef
Cc: Robert Heath; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Link?

Streams are usually available on Facebook
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2019, 20:21 Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:
Its on LUTV if u are abroad or in the UK with a VPN

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
Of Robert Heath
Sent: 13 February 2019 19:21
To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: [LU] Link?

Anybody got a link for the match?
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Re: [LU] Link?

2019-02-13 Thread Richard Naef 
Yeah used them, but I'm happy to pay the ?5 for what is normally a good up2date 
stream.

Sent from my mobile


From: Roy Blackwell 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:27:38 PM
To: Richard Naef
Cc: Robert Heath; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Link?

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2019, 20:21 Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:
Its on LUTV if u are abroad or in the UK with a VPN

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
Of Robert Heath
Sent: 13 February 2019 19:21
To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: [LU] Link?

Anybody got a link for the match?
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Re: [LU] 2-0

2019-02-13 Thread John Lee via Leedslist 
Actually, it was just INSIDE the box. More than deserved the win, but hate it 
when we nearly blow it like that.

Solid, disciplined team performance, aside from the penalty incident. I thought 
Bamford had a great game. 

And credit Bielsa for a real change in tactic - 4 minutes to go, 2-1 up but 
risking throwing it away, and he took off a midfielder and brought on a 
defender. That is the type of pragmatism that has been missing at times this 
season, so well done that man!

Win the next 2 and I might just stop watching games from between my fingers :-)

> On 13 Feb 2019, at 21:40, Joe Skinner  wrote:
> 
> It was outside the box, though!
> 
> Pontus winds me up more, diving in. Stay on your feet man!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 13 Feb 2019, at 21:33, John Lee via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ayling! Just remind me again eh? FFS!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 13 Feb 2019, at 21:02, Richard Naef  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> U should write a book about him 😉
>>> 
>>> ttfn
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> From: Michael Benjamin 
>>> Sent: 13 February 2019 20:37
>>> To: Richard Naef ; LEEDSLIST 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: 2-0
>>> 
>>> Absolute superb man management
>>> Dr. Michael Benjamin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Leedslist 
>>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on 
>>> behalf of Richard Naef 
>>> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:25:48 PM
>>> To: Leeds List
>>> Subject: [LU] 2-0
>>> 
>>> Great pass by Ayling to Alioski.   Imagine all those Leeds fans who thought 
>>> he should be dropped.  Bielsa has forgotten more they've ever known!
>>> 
>>> ttfn
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Leedslist 
>>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On 
>>> Behalf Of Richard Naef
>>> Sent: 13 February 2019 20:22
>>> To: Robert Heath mailto:heathpalai...@gmail.com>>; 
>>> Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Link?
>>> 
>>> Its on LUTV if u are abroad or in the UK with a VPN
>>> 
>>> ttfn
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Leedslist 
>>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On 
>>> Behalf Of Robert Heath
>>> Sent: 13 February 2019 19:21
>>> To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>>> Subject: [LU] Link?
>>> 
>>> Anybody got a link for the match?
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Re: [LU] 2-0

2019-02-13 Thread Joe Skinner 
It was outside the box, though!

Pontus winds me up more, diving in. Stay on your feet man!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Feb 2019, at 21:33, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> Ayling! Just remind me again eh? FFS!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 13 Feb 2019, at 21:02, Richard Naef  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> U should write a book about him 😉
>> 
>> ttfn
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> From: Michael Benjamin 
>> Sent: 13 February 2019 20:37
>> To: Richard Naef ; LEEDSLIST 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: 2-0
>> 
>> Absolute superb man management
>> Dr. Michael Benjamin
>> 
>> 
>> From: Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on 
>> behalf of Richard Naef 
>> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:25:48 PM
>> To: Leeds List
>> Subject: [LU] 2-0
>> 
>> Great pass by Ayling to Alioski.   Imagine all those Leeds fans who thought 
>> he should be dropped.  Bielsa has forgotten more they've ever known!
>> 
>> ttfn
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Naef
>> Sent: 13 February 2019 20:22
>> To: Robert Heath mailto:heathpalai...@gmail.com>>; 
>> Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Link?
>> 
>> Its on LUTV if u are abroad or in the UK with a VPN
>> 
>> ttfn
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On 
>> Behalf Of Robert Heath
>> Sent: 13 February 2019 19:21
>> To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Subject: [LU] Link?
>> 
>> Anybody got a link for the match?
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Re: [LU] 2-0

2019-02-13 Thread John Lee via Leedslist 
Ayling! Just remind me again eh? FFS!

Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Feb 2019, at 21:02, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> U should write a book about him 😉
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
> From: Michael Benjamin 
> Sent: 13 February 2019 20:37
> To: Richard Naef ; LEEDSLIST 
> 
> Subject: Re: 2-0
> 
> Absolute superb man management
> Dr. Michael Benjamin
> 
> 
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
> of Richard Naef 
> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:25:48 PM
> To: Leeds List
> Subject: [LU] 2-0
> 
> Great pass by Ayling to Alioski.   Imagine all those Leeds fans who thought 
> he should be dropped.  Bielsa has forgotten more they've ever known!
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
> Of Richard Naef
> Sent: 13 February 2019 20:22
> To: Robert Heath mailto:heathpalai...@gmail.com>>; 
> Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: Re: [LU] Link?
> 
> Its on LUTV if u are abroad or in the UK with a VPN
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
> Of Robert Heath
> Sent: 13 February 2019 19:21
> To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Link?
> 
> Anybody got a link for the match?
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Re: [LU] Link?

2019-02-13 Thread Roy Blackwell via Leedslist 
Streams are usually available on Facebook
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2019, 20:21 Richard Naef  Its on LUTV if u are abroad or in the UK with a VPN
>
> ttfn
>
> Richard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
> Sent: 13 February 2019 19:21
> To: Leeds List 
> Subject: [LU] Link?
>
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Re: [LU] 2-0

2019-02-13 Thread Richard Naef 
U should write a book about him 😉

ttfn

Richard

From: Michael Benjamin 
Sent: 13 February 2019 20:37
To: Richard Naef ; LEEDSLIST 

Subject: Re: 2-0

Absolute superb man management
Dr. Michael Benjamin


From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
of Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:25:48 PM
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] 2-0

Great pass by Ayling to Alioski.   Imagine all those Leeds fans who thought he 
should be dropped.  Bielsa has forgotten more they've ever known!

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
Of Richard Naef
Sent: 13 February 2019 20:22
To: Robert Heath mailto:heathpalai...@gmail.com>>; 
Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Link?

Its on LUTV if u are abroad or in the UK with a VPN

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
Of Robert Heath
Sent: 13 February 2019 19:21
To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: [LU] Link?

Anybody got a link for the match?
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Re: [LU] 2-0

2019-02-13 Thread Michael Benjamin 
Absolute superb man management

Dr. Michael Benjamin


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:25:48 PM
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] 2-0

Great pass by Ayling to Alioski.   Imagine all those Leeds fans who thought he 
should be dropped.  Bielsa has forgotten more they've ever known!

ttfn

Richard

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Sent: 13 February 2019 20:22
To: Robert Heath ; Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Link?

Its on LUTV if u are abroad or in the UK with a VPN

ttfn

Richard

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Sent: 13 February 2019 19:21
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Link?

Anybody got a link for the match?
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[LU] 2-0

2019-02-13 Thread Richard Naef 
Great pass by Ayling to Alioski.   Imagine all those Leeds fans who thought he 
should be dropped.  Bielsa has forgotten more they've ever known!

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 13 February 2019 20:22
To: Robert Heath ; Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Link?

Its on LUTV if u are abroad or in the UK with a VPN

ttfn

Richard

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Sent: 13 February 2019 19:21
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Link?

Anybody got a link for the match?
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Re: [LU] Link?

2019-02-13 Thread Richard Naef 
Its on LUTV if u are abroad or in the UK with a VPN

ttfn

Richard

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[LU] Link?

2019-02-13 Thread Robert Heath 
Anybody got a link for the match?
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Re: [LU] Gordon Banks RIP

2019-02-13 Thread Tim Greenwood 
I remember him and agree with all the other comments. Can England get
another World Cup before  the 66 team are gone?

Now ready for Swansea in 90 minutes. Is is good or bad to have high
expectations?

Tim


On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 12:59 PM Guy Thornton 
wrote:

> Agreed Dave
> Always had good memories of him and. of course '66 and '70.
> That save was indeed brilliant, just looking at the replays of it brings
> it all back. The only downside is it's all
> over in a flash. These days there would be several cameras tracking it all
> from different angles and we'd get
> them all in the replays including slo-mo.
>
> Surprised no one else commented and had something to say. Surely not
> everyone's to young to remember.
>
> guy
>
> On 12 Feb 2019 at 9:58, nat...@sky.com wrote:
>
> A great keeper and will always be remembered for THAT saveRIP
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Re: [LU] Gordon Banks RIP

2019-02-13 Thread Graham Longbottom 
>> Surprised no one else commented and had something to say. Surely not
everyone's to young to remember.

Sadly not too young to remember.
For me Gordon Banks WAS goalkeeping in that era.
Even though I loved Sprake and Harvey, when playing schoolboy footie,
everyone would be Banks when in goal.

Lot more respect for the England team in those days, no matter who you
supported.of course.

Nice bloke also. It was a real tragedy when he lost the eye as well.


Are we on the telly tonight?

G



On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 5:59 PM Guy Thornton 
wrote:

> Agreed Dave
> Always had good memories of him and. of course '66 and '70.
> That save was indeed brilliant, just looking at the replays of it brings
> it all back. The only downside is it's all
> over in a flash. These days there would be several cameras tracking it all
> from different angles and we'd get
> them all in the replays including slo-mo.
>
> Surprised no one else commented and had something to say. Surely not
> everyone's to young to remember.
>
> guy
>
> On 12 Feb 2019 at 9:58, nat...@sky.com wrote:
>
> A great keeper and will always be remembered for THAT saveRIP
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Re: [LU] Gordon Banks RIP

2019-02-13 Thread Guy Thornton 
Agreed Dave
Always had good memories of him and. of course '66 and '70.
That save was indeed brilliant, just looking at the replays of it brings it all 
back. The only downside is it's all 
over in a flash. These days there would be several cameras tracking it all from 
different angles and we'd get 
them all in the replays including slo-mo.

Surprised no one else commented and had something to say. Surely not everyone's 
to young to remember.

guy

On 12 Feb 2019 at 9:58, nat...@sky.com wrote:

A great keeper and will always be remembered for THAT saveRIP
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Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

2019-02-13 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 I thought Izzy Brown had got up to come on and tore his hamstring as he was 
taking his tracky bottoms off. 
On Wednesday, 13 February 2019, 11:22:12 GMT, Michael Benjamin 
 wrote:  
 
 Me too

Dr. Michael Benjamin


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Joe Skinner 

Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 12:54:07 PM
To: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

My first thought at the weekend when they said someone on the Leeds bench was 
taken ill, was that it would be Leeds for Bielsa to have a pitch side heart 
attack.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist
Sent: 13 February 2019 10:08
To: leedslist ; N If ; Richard Naef 
; Michael Benjamin 
Subject: Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

 they said that about Jock Stein.
    On Wednesday, 13 February 2019, 09:51:02 GMT, Michael Benjamin 
 wrote:

 No way he leaves.

Dr. Michael Benjamin


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:00:10 AM
To: leedslist; N If
Subject: Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

Mate, I have his prezzers carved upon my heart!  I know our romance won't last 
but I'm going 100% while it does.

Sent from my mobile


From: Leedslist  on behalf of N If 

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 5:28:56 PM
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

under the impression some listers don't already read some of Bielsa's wonderful 
words.

Today I loved:

a) Acknowledging the drop in form but vehement support for a lad who's been a 
stalwart for us:

For me Bill Ayling is a great player. He is a complete player. When I say 
complete I mean that he can manage all aspects of the game.

He can defend as a full-back, as he can defend as a centre-back. He has an 
aerial game that is not very common for players who play as full-backs. And if 
we divide the pitch in three segments, taking into account the right hand side 
of the pitch, he defends well, he is very well in playing out, he takes risks 
when we have to organise and when we have to use the ball and the only thing 
that decreased a little bit is his offensive impact.

...The only thing I can tell about Bill Ayling, that he contribute a little 
less in attack and usually he was getting a grade of more than seven points, 
now it’s more than six points. [*apparently MB &co rate them all out of 10 
after each game]*

 But for me he’s a very important player for the team. He is a player that is 
an example for his team-mates, for the public, for the fans and in football you 
have very few players that don’t have ups and downs...

Maybe I’m not objective. Because I have a very special respect for him, for 
what he gives to the team. Because he always assumes and takes risks. And 
because he’s influenced for this feature that I admire a lot him. Obviously for 
me he’s better than what you think.


And then b) a beautiful football (and life) philosophy:


Nobody wants to concede the first goal.

If we only focused on the fact to prevent the opponent from scoring a goal, we 
would be doing something in the way you *[the interviewers]* are proposing.

If we share the energy between creating and defending the possibility for the 
opponent to score a goal is higher. This is a scientific analysis, a 
mathematical analysis. But from a football point of view if you dominate the 
game you have more chances to score goals and more chances not to concede goals.

…..

But you have actions of danger or situations that depend exclusively on the 
team who is attacking and you have other actions that are made easier by the 
team that is defending.

When you make it easier for the opponent to attack it’s when you make a 
mistake. But the mistake is part of football. If there’s something that you 
can’t ask to a football player, you can’t tell them ‘take risks but you are not 
allowed to make a mistake.’ Because it's just nonsense.

The best ones take risks and don’t make mistakes. Those are very few. If you 
tell a player takes risks but you're not allowed to make a mistake, the player 
has only one solution - he wouldn't take a risk.

And if you don’t take risks in football games, the game becomes less attractive.

And then the capacity of winning decreases. When you play your way you always 
compare yourself to the opponent.

If the only comparison we make is which team is not making mistakes, when two 
teams play with the goal of not making a mistake, the game is not attractive.


Cheers

unff
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Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

2019-02-13 Thread Michael Benjamin 
Me too

Dr. Michael Benjamin


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Joe Skinner 

Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 12:54:07 PM
To: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

My first thought at the weekend when they said someone on the Leeds bench was 
taken ill, was that it would be Leeds for Bielsa to have a pitch side heart 
attack.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist
Sent: 13 February 2019 10:08
To: leedslist ; N If ; Richard Naef 
; Michael Benjamin 
Subject: Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

 they said that about Jock Stein.
On Wednesday, 13 February 2019, 09:51:02 GMT, Michael Benjamin 
 wrote:

 No way he leaves.

Dr. Michael Benjamin


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:00:10 AM
To: leedslist; N If
Subject: Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

Mate, I have his prezzers carved upon my heart!  I know our romance won't last 
but I'm going 100% while it does.

Sent from my mobile


From: Leedslist  on behalf of N If 

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 5:28:56 PM
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

under the impression some listers don't already read some of Bielsa's wonderful 
words.

Today I loved:

a) Acknowledging the drop in form but vehement support for a lad who's been a 
stalwart for us:

For me Bill Ayling is a great player. He is a complete player. When I say 
complete I mean that he can manage all aspects of the game.

He can defend as a full-back, as he can defend as a centre-back. He has an 
aerial game that is not very common for players who play as full-backs. And if 
we divide the pitch in three segments, taking into account the right hand side 
of the pitch, he defends well, he is very well in playing out, he takes risks 
when we have to organise and when we have to use the ball and the only thing 
that decreased a little bit is his offensive impact.

...The only thing I can tell about Bill Ayling, that he contribute a little 
less in attack and usually he was getting a grade of more than seven points, 
now it’s more than six points. [*apparently MB &co rate them all out of 10 
after each game]*

 But for me he’s a very important player for the team. He is a player that is 
an example for his team-mates, for the public, for the fans and in football you 
have very few players that don’t have ups and downs...

Maybe I’m not objective. Because I have a very special respect for him, for 
what he gives to the team. Because he always assumes and takes risks. And 
because he’s influenced for this feature that I admire a lot him. Obviously for 
me he’s better than what you think.


And then b) a beautiful football (and life) philosophy:


Nobody wants to concede the first goal.

If we only focused on the fact to prevent the opponent from scoring a goal, we 
would be doing something in the way you *[the interviewers]* are proposing.

If we share the energy between creating and defending the possibility for the 
opponent to score a goal is higher. This is a scientific analysis, a 
mathematical analysis. But from a football point of view if you dominate the 
game you have more chances to score goals and more chances not to concede goals.

…..

But you have actions of danger or situations that depend exclusively on the 
team who is attacking and you have other actions that are made easier by the 
team that is defending.

When you make it easier for the opponent to attack it’s when you make a 
mistake. But the mistake is part of football. If there’s something that you 
can’t ask to a football player, you can’t tell them ‘take risks but you are not 
allowed to make a mistake.’ Because it's just nonsense.

The best ones take risks and don’t make mistakes. Those are very few. If you 
tell a player takes risks but you're not allowed to make a mistake, the player 
has only one solution - he wouldn't take a risk.

And if you don’t take risks in football games, the game becomes less attractive.

And then the capacity of winning decreases. When you play your way you always 
compare yourself to the opponent.

If the only comparison we make is which team is not making mistakes, when two 
teams play with the goal of not making a mistake, the game is not attractive.


Cheers

unff
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Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

2019-02-13 Thread Joe Skinner 
My first thought at the weekend when they said someone on the Leeds bench was 
taken ill, was that it would be Leeds for Bielsa to have a pitch side heart 
attack.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist
Sent: 13 February 2019 10:08
To: leedslist ; N If ; Richard Naef 
; Michael Benjamin 
Subject: Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

 they said that about Jock Stein.
On Wednesday, 13 February 2019, 09:51:02 GMT, Michael Benjamin 
 wrote:  
 
 No way he leaves.

Dr. Michael Benjamin


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:00:10 AM
To: leedslist; N If
Subject: Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

Mate, I have his prezzers carved upon my heart!  I know our romance won't last 
but I'm going 100% while it does.

Sent from my mobile


From: Leedslist  on behalf of N If 

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 5:28:56 PM
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

under the impression some listers don't already read some of Bielsa's wonderful 
words.

Today I loved:

a) Acknowledging the drop in form but vehement support for a lad who's been a 
stalwart for us:

For me Bill Ayling is a great player. He is a complete player. When I say 
complete I mean that he can manage all aspects of the game.

He can defend as a full-back, as he can defend as a centre-back. He has an 
aerial game that is not very common for players who play as full-backs. And if 
we divide the pitch in three segments, taking into account the right hand side 
of the pitch, he defends well, he is very well in playing out, he takes risks 
when we have to organise and when we have to use the ball and the only thing 
that decreased a little bit is his offensive impact.

...The only thing I can tell about Bill Ayling, that he contribute a little 
less in attack and usually he was getting a grade of more than seven points, 
now it’s more than six points. [*apparently MB &co rate them all out of 10 
after each game]*

 But for me he’s a very important player for the team. He is a player that is 
an example for his team-mates, for the public, for the fans and in football you 
have very few players that don’t have ups and downs...

Maybe I’m not objective. Because I have a very special respect for him, for 
what he gives to the team. Because he always assumes and takes risks. And 
because he’s influenced for this feature that I admire a lot him. Obviously for 
me he’s better than what you think.


And then b) a beautiful football (and life) philosophy:


Nobody wants to concede the first goal.

If we only focused on the fact to prevent the opponent from scoring a goal, we 
would be doing something in the way you *[the interviewers]* are proposing.

If we share the energy between creating and defending the possibility for the 
opponent to score a goal is higher. This is a scientific analysis, a 
mathematical analysis. But from a football point of view if you dominate the 
game you have more chances to score goals and more chances not to concede goals.

…..

But you have actions of danger or situations that depend exclusively on the 
team who is attacking and you have other actions that are made easier by the 
team that is defending.

When you make it easier for the opponent to attack it’s when you make a 
mistake. But the mistake is part of football. If there’s something that you 
can’t ask to a football player, you can’t tell them ‘take risks but you are not 
allowed to make a mistake.’ Because it's just nonsense.

The best ones take risks and don’t make mistakes. Those are very few. If you 
tell a player takes risks but you're not allowed to make a mistake, the player 
has only one solution - he wouldn't take a risk.

And if you don’t take risks in football games, the game becomes less attractive.

And then the capacity of winning decreases. When you play your way you always 
compare yourself to the opponent.

If the only comparison we make is which team is not making mistakes, when two 
teams play with the goal of not making a mistake, the game is not attractive.


Cheers

unff
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Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

2019-02-13 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 they said that about Jock Stein.
On Wednesday, 13 February 2019, 09:51:02 GMT, Michael Benjamin 
 wrote:  
 
 No way he leaves.

Dr. Michael Benjamin


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:00:10 AM
To: leedslist; N If
Subject: Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

Mate, I have his prezzers carved upon my heart!  I know our romance won't last 
but I'm going 100% while it does.

Sent from my mobile


From: Leedslist  on behalf of N If 

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 5:28:56 PM
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

under the impression some listers don't already read some of Bielsa's
wonderful words.

Today I loved:

a) Acknowledging the drop in form but vehement support for a lad who's been
a stalwart for us:

For me Bill Ayling is a great player. He is a complete player. When I say
complete I mean that he can manage all aspects of the game.

He can defend as a full-back, as he can defend as a centre-back. He has an
aerial game that is not very common for players who play as full-backs. And
if we divide the pitch in three segments, taking into account the right
hand side of the pitch, he defends well, he is very well in playing out, he
takes risks when we have to organise and when we have to use the ball and
the only thing that decreased a little bit is his offensive impact.

...The only thing I can tell about Bill Ayling, that he contribute a little
less in attack and usually he was getting a grade of more than seven
points, now it’s more than six points. [*apparently MB &co rate them all
out of 10 after each game]*

 But for me he’s a very important player for the team. He is a player that
is an example for his team-mates, for the public, for the fans and in
football you have very few players that don’t have ups and downs...

Maybe I’m not objective. Because I have a very special respect for him, for
what he gives to the team. Because he always assumes and takes risks. And
because he’s influenced for this feature that I admire a lot him. Obviously
for me he’s better than what you think.


And then b) a beautiful football (and life) philosophy:


Nobody wants to concede the first goal.

If we only focused on the fact to prevent the opponent from scoring a goal,
we would be doing something in the way you *[the interviewers]* are
proposing.

If we share the energy between creating and defending the possibility for
the opponent to score a goal is higher. This is a scientific analysis, a
mathematical analysis. But from a football point of view if you dominate
the game you have more chances to score goals and more chances not to
concede goals.

…..

But you have actions of danger or situations that depend exclusively on the
team who is attacking and you have other actions that are made easier by
the team that is defending.

When you make it easier for the opponent to attack it’s when you make a
mistake. But the mistake is part of football. If there’s something that you
can’t ask to a football player, you can’t tell them ‘take risks but you are
not allowed to make a mistake.’ Because it's just nonsense.

The best ones take risks and don’t make mistakes. Those are very few. If
you tell a player takes risks but you're not allowed to make a mistake, the
player has only one solution - he wouldn't take a risk.

And if you don’t take risks in football games, the game becomes less
attractive.

And then the capacity of winning decreases. When you play your way you
always compare yourself to the opponent.

If the only comparison we make is which team is not making mistakes, when
two teams play with the goal of not making a mistake, the game is not
attractive.


Cheers

unff
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Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

2019-02-13 Thread Michael Benjamin 
No way he leaves.

Dr. Michael Benjamin


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:00:10 AM
To: leedslist; N If
Subject: Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

Mate, I have his prezzers carved upon my heart!  I know our romance won't last 
but I'm going 100% while it does.

Sent from my mobile


From: Leedslist  on behalf of N If 

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 5:28:56 PM
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

under the impression some listers don't already read some of Bielsa's
wonderful words.

Today I loved:

a) Acknowledging the drop in form but vehement support for a lad who's been
a stalwart for us:

For me Bill Ayling is a great player. He is a complete player. When I say
complete I mean that he can manage all aspects of the game.

He can defend as a full-back, as he can defend as a centre-back. He has an
aerial game that is not very common for players who play as full-backs. And
if we divide the pitch in three segments, taking into account the right
hand side of the pitch, he defends well, he is very well in playing out, he
takes risks when we have to organise and when we have to use the ball and
the only thing that decreased a little bit is his offensive impact.

...The only thing I can tell about Bill Ayling, that he contribute a little
less in attack and usually he was getting a grade of more than seven
points, now it’s more than six points. [*apparently MB &co rate them all
out of 10 after each game]*

 But for me he’s a very important player for the team. He is a player that
is an example for his team-mates, for the public, for the fans and in
football you have very few players that don’t have ups and downs...

Maybe I’m not objective. Because I have a very special respect for him, for
what he gives to the team. Because he always assumes and takes risks. And
because he’s influenced for this feature that I admire a lot him. Obviously
for me he’s better than what you think.


And then b) a beautiful football (and life) philosophy:


Nobody wants to concede the first goal.

If we only focused on the fact to prevent the opponent from scoring a goal,
we would be doing something in the way you *[the interviewers]* are
proposing.

If we share the energy between creating and defending the possibility for
the opponent to score a goal is higher. This is a scientific analysis, a
mathematical analysis. But from a football point of view if you dominate
the game you have more chances to score goals and more chances not to
concede goals.

…..

But you have actions of danger or situations that depend exclusively on the
team who is attacking and you have other actions that are made easier by
the team that is defending.

When you make it easier for the opponent to attack it’s when you make a
mistake. But the mistake is part of football. If there’s something that you
can’t ask to a football player, you can’t tell them ‘take risks but you are
not allowed to make a mistake.’ Because it's just nonsense.

The best ones take risks and don’t make mistakes. Those are very few. If
you tell a player takes risks but you're not allowed to make a mistake, the
player has only one solution - he wouldn't take a risk.

And if you don’t take risks in football games, the game becomes less
attractive.

And then the capacity of winning decreases. When you play your way you
always compare yourself to the opponent.

If the only comparison we make is which team is not making mistakes, when
two teams play with the goal of not making a mistake, the game is not
attractive.


Cheers

unff
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Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

2019-02-13 Thread Richard Naef 
Lazy journalism. TBH I think Bielsa is only here for a couple seasons, get us 
up and train up someone to take over.  Then we'll build a hotel on his name.

Sent from my mobile


From: John Lee 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:06:45 AM
To: Richard Naef; leedslist; N If
Subject: Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

I didn't see any comments about the alleged interest in Bielsa from Everton 
should their manager get the sack soon (which he will). Who knows if it's just 
paper talk, but hopefully MB will see the season out.



From: Richard Naef 
To: leedslist ; N If 
Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2019, 9:00
Subject: Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

Mate, I have his prezzers carved upon my heart!  I know our romance won't last 
but I'm going 100% while it does.

Sent from my mobile


From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
of N If mailto:mister@gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 5:28:56 PM
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

under the impression some listers don't already read some of Bielsa's
wonderful words.

Today I loved:

a) Acknowledging the drop in form but vehement support for a lad who's been
a stalwart for us:

For me Bill Ayling is a great player. He is a complete player. When I say
complete I mean that he can manage all aspects of the game.

He can defend as a full-back, as he can defend as a centre-back. He has an
aerial game that is not very common for players who play as full-backs. And
if we divide the pitch in three segments, taking into account the right
hand side of the pitch, he defends well, he is very well in playing out, he
takes risks when we have to organise and when we have to use the ball and
the only thing that decreased a little bit is his offensive impact.

...The only thing I can tell about Bill Ayling, that he contribute a little
less in attack and usually he was getting a grade of more than seven
points, now it’s more than six points. [*apparently MB &co rate them all
out of 10 after each game]*

But for me he’s a very important player for the team. He is a player that
is an example for his team-mates, for the public, for the fans and in
football you have very few players that don’t have ups and downs...

Maybe I’m not objective. Because I have a very special respect for him, for
what he gives to the team. Because he always assumes and takes risks. And
because he’s influenced for this feature that I admire a lot him. Obviously
for me he’s better than what you think.


And then b) a beautiful football (and life) philosophy:


Nobody wants to concede the first goal.

If we only focused on the fact to prevent the opponent from scoring a goal,
we would be doing something in the way you *[the interviewers]* are
proposing.

If we share the energy between creating and defending the possibility for
the opponent to score a goal is higher. This is a scientific analysis, a
mathematical analysis. But from a football point of view if you dominate
the game you have more chances to score goals and more chances not to
concede goals.

…..

But you have actions of danger or situations that depend exclusively on the
team who is attacking and you have other actions that are made easier by
the team that is defending.

When you make it easier for the opponent to attack it’s when you make a
mistake. But the mistake is part of football. If there’s something that you
can’t ask to a football player, you can’t tell them ‘take risks but you are
not allowed to make a mistake.’ Because it's just nonsense.

The best ones take risks and don’t make mistakes. Those are very few. If
you tell a player takes risks but you're not allowed to make a mistake, the
player has only one solution - he wouldn't take a risk.

And if you don’t take risks in football games, the game becomes less
attractive.

And then the capacity of winning decreases. When you play your way you
always compare yourself to the opponent.

If the only comparison we make is which team is not making mistakes, when
two teams play with the goal of not making a mistake, the game is not
attractive.


Cheers

unff
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Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

2019-02-13 Thread John Lee via Leedslist 
I didn't see any comments about the alleged interest in Bielsa from Everton 
should their manager get the sack soon (which he will). Who knows if it's just 
paper talk, but hopefully MB will see the season out. 

  From: Richard Naef 
 To: leedslist ; N If  
 Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2019, 9:00
 Subject: Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa
   
Mate, I have his prezzers carved upon my heart!  I know our romance won't last 
but I'm going 100% while it does.

Sent from my mobile


From: Leedslist  on behalf of N If 

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 5:28:56 PM
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

under the impression some listers don't already read some of Bielsa's
wonderful words.

Today I loved:

a) Acknowledging the drop in form but vehement support for a lad who's been
a stalwart for us:

For me Bill Ayling is a great player. He is a complete player. When I say
complete I mean that he can manage all aspects of the game.

He can defend as a full-back, as he can defend as a centre-back. He has an
aerial game that is not very common for players who play as full-backs. And
if we divide the pitch in three segments, taking into account the right
hand side of the pitch, he defends well, he is very well in playing out, he
takes risks when we have to organise and when we have to use the ball and
the only thing that decreased a little bit is his offensive impact.

...The only thing I can tell about Bill Ayling, that he contribute a little
less in attack and usually he was getting a grade of more than seven
points, now it’s more than six points. [*apparently MB &co rate them all
out of 10 after each game]*

 But for me he’s a very important player for the team. He is a player that
is an example for his team-mates, for the public, for the fans and in
football you have very few players that don’t have ups and downs...

Maybe I’m not objective. Because I have a very special respect for him, for
what he gives to the team. Because he always assumes and takes risks. And
because he’s influenced for this feature that I admire a lot him. Obviously
for me he’s better than what you think.


And then b) a beautiful football (and life) philosophy:


Nobody wants to concede the first goal.

If we only focused on the fact to prevent the opponent from scoring a goal,
we would be doing something in the way you *[the interviewers]* are
proposing.

If we share the energy between creating and defending the possibility for
the opponent to score a goal is higher. This is a scientific analysis, a
mathematical analysis. But from a football point of view if you dominate
the game you have more chances to score goals and more chances not to
concede goals.

…..

But you have actions of danger or situations that depend exclusively on the
team who is attacking and you have other actions that are made easier by
the team that is defending.

When you make it easier for the opponent to attack it’s when you make a
mistake. But the mistake is part of football. If there’s something that you
can’t ask to a football player, you can’t tell them ‘take risks but you are
not allowed to make a mistake.’ Because it's just nonsense.

The best ones take risks and don’t make mistakes. Those are very few. If
you tell a player takes risks but you're not allowed to make a mistake, the
player has only one solution - he wouldn't take a risk.

And if you don’t take risks in football games, the game becomes less
attractive.

And then the capacity of winning decreases. When you play your way you
always compare yourself to the opponent.

If the only comparison we make is which team is not making mistakes, when
two teams play with the goal of not making a mistake, the game is not
attractive.


Cheers

unff
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Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

2019-02-13 Thread Richard Naef 
Mate, I have his prezzers carved upon my heart!  I know our romance won't last 
but I'm going 100% while it does.

Sent from my mobile


From: Leedslist  on behalf of N If 

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 5:28:56 PM
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

under the impression some listers don't already read some of Bielsa's
wonderful words.

Today I loved:

a) Acknowledging the drop in form but vehement support for a lad who's been
a stalwart for us:

For me Bill Ayling is a great player. He is a complete player. When I say
complete I mean that he can manage all aspects of the game.

He can defend as a full-back, as he can defend as a centre-back. He has an
aerial game that is not very common for players who play as full-backs. And
if we divide the pitch in three segments, taking into account the right
hand side of the pitch, he defends well, he is very well in playing out, he
takes risks when we have to organise and when we have to use the ball and
the only thing that decreased a little bit is his offensive impact.

...The only thing I can tell about Bill Ayling, that he contribute a little
less in attack and usually he was getting a grade of more than seven
points, now it’s more than six points. [*apparently MB &co rate them all
out of 10 after each game]*

 But for me he’s a very important player for the team. He is a player that
is an example for his team-mates, for the public, for the fans and in
football you have very few players that don’t have ups and downs...

Maybe I’m not objective. Because I have a very special respect for him, for
what he gives to the team. Because he always assumes and takes risks. And
because he’s influenced for this feature that I admire a lot him. Obviously
for me he’s better than what you think.


And then b) a beautiful football (and life) philosophy:


Nobody wants to concede the first goal.

If we only focused on the fact to prevent the opponent from scoring a goal,
we would be doing something in the way you *[the interviewers]* are
proposing.

If we share the energy between creating and defending the possibility for
the opponent to score a goal is higher. This is a scientific analysis, a
mathematical analysis. But from a football point of view if you dominate
the game you have more chances to score goals and more chances not to
concede goals.

…..

But you have actions of danger or situations that depend exclusively on the
team who is attacking and you have other actions that are made easier by
the team that is defending.

When you make it easier for the opponent to attack it’s when you make a
mistake. But the mistake is part of football. If there’s something that you
can’t ask to a football player, you can’t tell them ‘take risks but you are
not allowed to make a mistake.’ Because it's just nonsense.

The best ones take risks and don’t make mistakes. Those are very few. If
you tell a player takes risks but you're not allowed to make a mistake, the
player has only one solution - he wouldn't take a risk.

And if you don’t take risks in football games, the game becomes less
attractive.

And then the capacity of winning decreases. When you play your way you
always compare yourself to the opponent.

If the only comparison we make is which team is not making mistakes, when
two teams play with the goal of not making a mistake, the game is not
attractive.


Cheers

unff
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