Re: [LU] Spurs

[Alec McQueen]

Why would MB not re-sign? He must be having the time of his life... he has free 
rein to do what he wants, he has a project that has Bielsa stamped all over it, 
the football quality and style he is orchestrating is being heralded by close 
to everyone, he is being moderately successful in the best league in the world 
with decidedly average players (he knows they are average and so does Rad), 
everyone at the club worships him, and his boss has seen him just quadruple the 
value of his investment (that’s the way to pease a businessman!) Please let me 
know if you know of anyone who is going to walk away from that. 

2 things left for him to achieve before he clears off to somewhere else: win 
something (most likely a cup), and create the dynasty with a mini-Bielsa 
installed to succeed him. 

Give him 2 more seasons after this one to achieve both of those. We will then 
be firmly re-established as a stable premier league club, the Leeds brand will 
be synonymous with speed, style and quality, and we will have another club 
legend forever. 

Re signings: why would we not improve our squad if we could? You get 2 chances 
to do this each year, why would you throw one of them away? Makes no sense to 
me. 


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> On 4 Jan 2021, at 03:44, Guy Bonello  wrote:
> 
> 
> would be difficult to go out and spend with an eye on next season when we do 
> not know who will be in charge then. Get Bielsa re-signed, then go and spend
> 
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>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 at 23:21, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> If we accept we will be safe this season then why wouldn’t we spend part of 
>> the transfer pot for next season on White or other top class central 
>> defender.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 8:42 pm, Alec McQueen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Rich
>> Absolutely agree: we need at least a couple of premier class defenders, and 
>> preferably a hotshot striker this window... but where from (God Knows), who 
>> (any ideas?), do we have the money (no), and will MB want to try to instil 
>> his philosophy in new signings mid season (no)? 
>> 
>> I come back to Ben White... will Brighton still see us as competitors given 
>> we are already 10 pts above them? Will they let him go for less than 40ish 
>> million? I doubt we would pay the amount they will demand. Alas, I just 
>> can’t see it happening despite it being our best option right now. 
>> 
>> More likely we will go buy a couple of cheap European squad type players who 
>> won’t make a difference. 
>> 
>> Pessimistic? Me? 
>> Cheers
>> Alec
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> > On 3 Jan 2021, at 04:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Another heavish defeat and another chance to see how we measure up 
>> > against one of the most organised teams in the league. Despite getting 
>> > hammered at Scum and losing 3-0 today I don't think we're a million miles 
>> > away. Defence needs to be sorted and needs to be sorted in Jan. If Bielsa 
>> > really believes he can get through this season without another central 
>> > defender then I think that would be a bad call. Today, it's the same old 
>> > problems - a left back who's not a left back giving away a needless pen 
>> > (it wasn't a pen but still a terrible half tackle). Defending corners - 
>> > there were lots of Leeds players around him - Philips etc but nobody got 
>> > near him and as usual Meslier was stood on his line and didn't stand a 
>> > chance. How many more times ? Then for their 2nd, Struijk(midfielder 
>> > playing as defender) commits himself in midfield and as a result we're a 
>> > man short at the back. Kane cross, Sol 2-0. Avoidable. You just can't come 
>> > to places like this with a makeshfit defence and expect to win the game no 
>> > matter how lively you are in attack. Let's see what happens in the January 
>> > window. 
>> > It might sound like sour grapes but I don't think Spurs are a great team. 
>> > Yes they have some good individual players (Son in particular) but we were 
>> > all over them in the first half. Our movement and our interplay was 
>> > excellent and we really should have scored. For me, Bamford isn't the 
>> > answer and that might sound stupid giving he's breaking all records and is 
>> > just about top PL scorer. I think he's benefited from our great play and 
>> > he's played and finished pretty well at times. He's scored 1 in the last 4 
>> > and that was a pen and today he didn't even look close. He looks a yard 
>> > slower than the rest of the team and he never looked like he was going to 
>> > get on the end of a cross and finish. I'd like to see Rodrigo play as 
>> > number 9 with Pablo behind him. More creativity, more intellignet play and 
>> > yes more goals. 
>> > The penalty gave them confidence because there's no doubt Spurs were 2nd 
>> > best up to that point. We started to make silly mistakes at the back. 
>> > Ayling and Phillips giving 

Re: [LU] Spurs

[Guy Bonello]

would be difficult to go out and spend with an eye on next season when we
do not know who will be in charge then. Get Bielsa re-signed, then go and
spend


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On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 at 23:21, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> If we accept we will be safe this season then why wouldn’t we spend part
> of the transfer pot for next season on White or other top class central
> defender.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 8:42 pm, Alec McQueen 
> wrote:
>
> Rich
> Absolutely agree: we need at least a couple of premier class defenders,
> and preferably a hotshot striker this window... but where from (God Knows),
> who (any ideas?), do we have the money (no), and will MB want to try to
> instil his philosophy in new signings mid season (no)?
>
> I come back to Ben White... will Brighton still see us as competitors
> given we are already 10 pts above them? Will they let him go for less than
> 40ish million? I doubt we would pay the amount they will demand. Alas, I
> just can’t see it happening despite it being our best option right now.
>
> More likely we will go buy a couple of cheap European squad type players
> who won’t make a difference.
>
> Pessimistic? Me?
> Cheers
> Alec
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 3 Jan 2021, at 04:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > Another heavish defeat and another chance to see how we measure up
> against one of the most organised teams in the league. Despite getting
> hammered at Scum and losing 3-0 today I don't think we're a million miles
> away. Defence needs to be sorted and needs to be sorted in Jan. If Bielsa
> really believes he can get through this season without another central
> defender then I think that would be a bad call. Today, it's the same old
> problems - a left back who's not a left back giving away a needless pen (it
> wasn't a pen but still a terrible half tackle). Defending corners - there
> were lots of Leeds players around him - Philips etc but nobody got near him
> and as usual Meslier was stood on his line and didn't stand a chance. How
> many more times ? Then for their 2nd, Struijk(midfielder playing as
> defender) commits himself in midfield and as a result we're a man short at
> the back. Kane cross, Sol 2-0. Avoidable. You just can't come to places
> like this with a makeshfit defence and expect to win the game no matter how
> lively you are in attack. Let's see what happens in the January window.
> > It might sound like sour grapes but I don't think Spurs are a great
> team. Yes they have some good individual players (Son in particular) but we
> were all over them in the first half. Our movement and our interplay was
> excellent and we really should have scored. For me, Bamford isn't the
> answer and that might sound stupid giving he's breaking all records and is
> just about top PL scorer. I think he's benefited from our great play and
> he's played and finished pretty well at times. He's scored 1 in the last 4
> and that was a pen and today he didn't even look close. He looks a yard
> slower than the rest of the team and he never looked like he was going to
> get on the end of a cross and finish. I'd like to see Rodrigo play as
> number 9 with Pablo behind him. More creativity, more intellignet play and
> yes more goals.
> > The penalty gave them confidence because there's no doubt Spurs were 2nd
> best up to that point. We started to make silly mistakes at the back.
> Ayling and Phillips giving the ball away and as soon as they got the 2nd it
> was game over. I lost count of the number of times we just aimlessly gave
> the ball away sometimes just passing in to touch. Very frustrating.
> > To our credit, we made 3 subs and they all contributed to us continually
> having a go in the 2nd half. Pablo was fantastic and you can see he is
> looking fitter and battling for his place. I think he deserves a start.
> Even his passing was good.
> > Bielsa looked more frustrated than I've seen him for a while and I'm not
> surprised. We could have got something from this game but again I would say
> to Bielsa you will get nowt against the top teams with a makeshift defence.
> Every fucker can see that !
> > Scores:
> > Meslier - 7. Some good saves as always and little chance with the goals.
> > Dallas - 7. I thought he did well. Lost Son for the 2nd goal but not
> sure why he was last man.
> > Allioski - 5. Started well down the left wing but when it comes to pure
> defending ... well he can't.
> > Ayling - 7. I thought he did well first half but then things went
> downhill and he made some basic errors.
> > Struijk - 5. Out of his depth for me. Yes he's got a nice left foot and
> he picks a pass well. 

Re: [LU] "half-time report" from the Guardian (take 2)

[Nick]

I have no idea what happened with the repeat at the bottom half of this the 
first time round…resending without extra nonsense

> On 3 Jan 2021, at 12:35, Nick  wrote:
> 
> I think he has this about right:
> 
> 
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jan/03/premier-league-fans-half-term-reports-part-one-arsenal-to-leicester

> Leeds

> Our target is staying up, and look: our promoted peers Fulham 
>  and West Brom are in the 
> relegation places, and we’ve already won as many games as Norwich managed all 
> last season. We never want to lose 6-2 at Old Trafford, but other clubs’ fans 
> seemed more angry about the game than we were. The best part so far might be 
> putting everyone at war about the way we play. 8/10
> 
> Stars and flops Nobody predicted Patrick Bamford would be having sleepless 
> nights on the eve of England squad announcements, but he’s revelling. A big 
> shout-out to Illan Meslier for rewriting the rule that says you need 
> experience to stop shots in the Premier League. But Covid means we’re yet to 
> see the best of record-signing Rodrigo.
> 
> Happy with the manager? Hahahahaha. What do you think? Marcelo Bielsa has 
> extended his strolls around Wetherby to walking on the River Wharfe. When 
> disaffection might be rearing up we see the Baggies swapping Bilic for 
> Allardyce and remember, there but for the grace of God. Or Bielsa. 9/10, a 
> mark off because we can’t defend corners. Or anything.
> 
> We need to sign You’ve seen our defending, right? You think we’re going to 
> sign somebody, right? Wrong. If Bielsa gets a player in January, he doesn’t 
> use them until March, post-reprogramming. We’re very likely to stick, not 
> twist.
> 
> Moment that made me smile in 2020 The Championship title. Our half-drunk 
> players outrunning Derby and beating them 3-1 
> 
>  before earning an FA fine for pyro at Pride Park helped make up for the 
> fans’ absence.
> 
> • Daniel Chapman thesquareball.net  
> @MoscowhiteTSB 

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Re: [LU] Spurs

[nattan--- via Leedslist]

 I agree too - we are on a huge learning curve, a much higher proportion of 
mistakes , a pass a yard out for example,  are pounced on and put away than in 
the championship.  Missed chances are more important at this level since we are 
creating fewer against better defenders. We are being beaten by the top six 
teams because man for man they are better than us in every position- against 
lesser sides our work rate and tactics are generally enough to earn a win. We 
are doing much better than we could realistically expect and are, at worse 
fighting with 4 or 5 other teams to avoid the last relegation place ( no way 
back for sheff U or WBA)
The club have consistently said we are not in the market for new signings in 
January unless a cheap gem falls into our lap. 
Re Ben White, who was top notch for us last season, we were not missing him 
when Koch was fit , and over the next 2 seasons the German centre back, and a 
Spanish squad defender will be better for us than a lad still learning his 
trade ( white lost his man for the first goal according to MOTD) so you can all 
stop dreaming about his return 
As Rob and others have said, let's enjoy the season , playing great football 
with no real pressure on results ( every defeat last season was a dagger in the 
heart, thiss season it is more " oh well") or enjoy it as much as you can when 
not in the ground and no atmosphere when watching on TV.
A nice cup run would be fun especially since it should not affect our league 
prospects,  I would hate us to become a team with no ambition beyond staying up
We are a work in progress,  making up for 14 years of mismanagement and 16 
years out of the top flight
We have a team we can be proud of and some exciting youngsters to make our 
future bright 
Long live Bielsaball 
Dave

On Sunday, 3 January 2021, 04:54:35 GMT, Michael Benjamin  
wrote:  
 
 100% Agree
This is getting distressing and happening far too often  

Michael

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Subject: Re: [LU] Spurs

OK I know I'm going to be accused of arrogance again, but..you guys 
just don't get Bielsaball. The style of play he demands from his players 
requires them to take huge risks with the ball every time they have it. He 
understands that they won't get it right every time, he understands the danger 
that they will give the ball away (sometimes in very dangerous 
places..sometimes leading to goals against us), but he believes that 
the potential benefits are worth it.

What is astonishing for me is the number of times they risk so much and it 
comes offsome breathtaking rat-tat-tat of one touch passes, each 
one perfectly weighted and angled.

You guys can get all hot under the collar as much as you like about the CHs we 
aren't going to buy and the replacements for Bamford we aren't going to 
buy.but Bielsa knows that gradually these boys are getting the hang 
of this league, they're getting better by the day, and he's in it for the long 
haul. The last thing he will want is to try and add a new player to the group.

An alternative analysis of this game is that the Curse of London has hit us yet 
again. When we play in London, you can guarantee that if there is a foul right 
on the edge of the box, it will be a pen, and if the ball is clawed back as it 
crosses the line, it will be over by 1 mm. Somehow, not even Bielsa seems to be 
able to find a way to overcome this problem.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 11:23 PM John Lee via Leedslist 
wrote:

> Unless there is some ‘bargain’ Uruguayan/Argentinian centre back under 
> everyone’s radar bar Bielsa’s, I can’t see us buying anyone in the 
> transfer window!
>
> We played ok in the first 30 minutes, and Spurs looked a bit surprised 
> as to how full-on we were. Of course not scoring would cost us - same 
> old story. Same old problem re giving the ball away - I thought Ayling 
> and Rodrigo were the main culprits - they weren’t alone in doing that, 
> but I’d also give Rodrigo a run out up front, mostly to stop him 
> giving the ball away in our own half, or giving away stupid fouls by 
> ‘tackling’ with his arms! He is bloody frustrating at times, despite 
> looking like the best player we have at others!
>
> We looked weary in the middle 30 minutes too - maybe Bielsa needs to 
> think about the word rotation? Rapha definitely looked off the pace, 
> and Bamford and Harrison too.
>
> I wonder if we’ll play the under 23 team v Crawley? I don’t want us to 
> lose to them, as we’ll never hear the end of it, but some of our first 
> xi need a rest.
>
> Like Rich, I didn’t think Spurs looked anything special as a team, 
> especially as they’d had a rest.
>
> Hacked of I paid £25 to BT for a monthly pass :-(
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 2 Jan 2021, at 20:42, Alec McQueen  wrote:
> >
> > Rich
> > Absolutely agree: we need 

[LU] "half-time report" from the Guardian

[Nick]

I think he has this about right:


https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jan/03/premier-league-fans-half-term-reports-part-one-arsenal-to-leicester
Leeds
Our target is staying up, and look: our promoted peers Fulham 
 and West Brom are in the 
relegation places, and we’ve already won as many games as Norwich managed all 
last season. We never want to lose 6-2 at Old Trafford, but other clubs’ fans 
seemed more angry about the game than we were. The best part so far might be 
putting everyone at war about the way we play. 8/10

Stars and flops Nobody predicted Patrick Bamford would be having sleepless 
nights on the eve of England squad announcements, but he’s revelling. A big 
shout-out to Illan Meslier for rewriting the rule that says you need experience 
to stop shots in the Premier League. But Covid means we’re yet to see the best 
of record-signing Rodrigo.

Happy with the manager? Hahahahaha. What do you think? Marcelo Bielsa has 
extended his strolls around Wetherby to walking on the River Wharfe. When 
disaffection might be rearing up we see the Baggies swapping Bilic for 
Allardyce and remember, there but for the grace of God. Or Bielsa. 9/10, a mark 
off because we can’t defend corners. Or anything.

We need to sign You’ve seen our defending, right? You think we’re going to sign 
somebody, right? Wrong. If Bielsa gets a player in January, he doesn’t use them 
until March, post-reprogramming. We’re very likely to stick, not twist.

Moment that made me smile in 2020 The Championship title. Our half-drunk 
players outrunning Derby and beating them 3-1 

 before earning an FA fine for pyro at Pride Park helped make up for the fans’ 
absence.

• Daniel Chapman thesquareball.net  
@MoscowhiteTSB 
Advertisement
We need to sign You’ve seen our defending, right? You think we’re going to sign 
somebody, right? Wrong. If Bielsa gets a player in January, he doesn’t use them 
until March, post-reprogramming. We’re very likely to stick, not twist.

Moment that made me smile in 2020 The Championship title. Our half-drunk 
players outrunning Derby and beating them 3-1 

 before earning an FA fine for pyro at Pride Park helped make up for the fans’ 
absence.

• Daniel Chapman thesquareball.net  
@MoscowhiteTSB 
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