Re: [LU] Scum
I think the issue of crisp, accurate passing is probably where our 0 to 30 million pound players were slightly outshone by their 30 to 80 million pound players, something that we were largely able to compensate for with effort and aggression. Where it cost us most was in the final third. Too often we got into promising positions only to make a hasty, misplaced pass leading to the move breaking down. Harrison was a leading culprit but there were others. The game swung away from us in the second half because of their relatively deeper squad, something exacerbated by our two enforced substitutions in the first quarter of the game, meaning that as our players tired in the latter stages ManU were able to use their deeper bench (i.e. deeper pockets) to take advantage. We threw on our most expensive signing (Rutter) and they threw on their fourth-most expensive signing (Sancho), who cost more than twice what Rutter cost and scored the equalizer. I was enormously proud of the way the entire team and stand-in coaching staff approached the game and performed on the night. Roll on Sunday. -Original Message- From: Ciaran Diver To: Richard Walker Cc: LEEDSLIST Sent: Fri, Feb 10, 2023 8:26 am Subject: Re: [LU] Scum Agreed, he's what we need at the back in terms of leadership and I can see a big improvement in Koch since Wober went in alongside him. But I think I counted 7 poor passes from him the last night where he either passed straight to one of them or left it short (like the one near the end where Firpo conceded a free - that was totally on the pass from Wober). But as you say, we're better with him in there and hopefully the passing improves. On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 1:01 PM Richard Walker wrote: > Ciaran, you are spot on and I think in my defence the euphoria of the > point and 2 goals got the better of me. I do remember one occasion when > Wober tried to dribble out of defence and I think that led to one of their > best chances. > Despite that, I do think his introduction to the back four is a step > change … a bit like when Pontus came along and I don’t mind all the fist > waving and chest pumping- long may it continue. > > I’m still giving him a 9 though ! > > > > On Friday, February 10, 2023, 12:27 pm, Ciaran Diver < > ciarandi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rich, normally I agree with your reports and who you identify as playing > well or poorly but just on Wober, you gave him 10 for Wednesday and say it > was possibly the best defensive display since Radebe et al? He certainly > put his body on the line and got some great blocks in but what about the > number of times he gave the ball away putting us under pressure? I thought > his distribution was very poor at times and whilst they didn't lead to a > goal, there were a number of times where his poor pass could have resulted > in a goal. He looked good with his fist pumping but I'm not convinced when > he is on the ball personally. Hopefully he will settle down with more game > time. > > Ciaran > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2023 14:57:47 + (UTC) > From: Richard Walker > To: Leeds List > Subject: [LU] Scum > Message-ID: <1318186895.3957134.1675954667...@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I think I aged a few (more) years after watching the game last night. When > we went 2 up I was counting down the seconds til the end. My Apple watch > heart monitor was interesting. > I thought it was a great, battling display and our midfield and defence for > most of the game stood up to continuos pressure. Wober was superb, possibly > the best defensive display I've seen in a white shirt since the days of > Radebe, Woodgate and co. Koch was equally impressive at times but just > didn't do enough to put Rashford off for the goal, he needed to do that. > Luke Ayling was immense. He's my captain for the rest of the season, no > argument. People saying he's finished and not premier league, well last > night he had a very, youthful and skillful prospect in Garnacho in his > pocket. Ayling was almost out on his feet at the end but I don't blame him > given the effort he put in. Only thing that was missing was the 30 yarder > in the top corner which he did try and repeat. > The midfield was also a massive improvement. Adams and Mckennie weren't > pretty but both did a job and you didn't see Scum easily progressing > through our midfield as they and other teams have done in the past. People > saying Mckennie looked off the pace, but I didn't see that. Ok, not > everything came off but he was effective and contributed more in 94 mins > than Roca has all season. For a fat lad, he covered a lot of ground. Just > wait until we get him onteh Slimfast. No way back for the lacklustre Roca > IMO now. > Up front, what a brilliant start from Gnonto, I was up out of my chair > dancing around the room. I wasn't upset to see Sinistera go off and be > replaced by Jimmy. He was lively and as runnign everywhere. I don't think > he's
Re: [LU] Scum
Agreed, he's what we need at the back in terms of leadership and I can see a big improvement in Koch since Wober went in alongside him. But I think I counted 7 poor passes from him the last night where he either passed straight to one of them or left it short (like the one near the end where Firpo conceded a free - that was totally on the pass from Wober). But as you say, we're better with him in there and hopefully the passing improves. On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 1:01 PM Richard Walker wrote: > Ciaran, you are spot on and I think in my defence the euphoria of the > point and 2 goals got the better of me. I do remember one occasion when > Wober tried to dribble out of defence and I think that led to one of their > best chances. > Despite that, I do think his introduction to the back four is a step > change … a bit like when Pontus came along and I don’t mind all the fist > waving and chest pumping- long may it continue. > > I’m still giving him a 9 though ! > > > > On Friday, February 10, 2023, 12:27 pm, Ciaran Diver < > ciarandi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rich, normally I agree with your reports and who you identify as playing > well or poorly but just on Wober, you gave him 10 for Wednesday and say it > was possibly the best defensive display since Radebe et al? He certainly > put his body on the line and got some great blocks in but what about the > number of times he gave the ball away putting us under pressure? I thought > his distribution was very poor at times and whilst they didn't lead to a > goal, there were a number of times where his poor pass could have resulted > in a goal. He looked good with his fist pumping but I'm not convinced when > he is on the ball personally. Hopefully he will settle down with more game > time. > > Ciaran > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2023 14:57:47 + (UTC) > From: Richard Walker > To: Leeds List > Subject: [LU] Scum > Message-ID: <1318186895.3957134.1675954667...@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I think I aged a few (more) years after watching the game last night. When > we went 2 up I was counting down the seconds til the end. My Apple watch > heart monitor was interesting. > I thought it was a great, battling display and our midfield and defence for > most of the game stood up to continuos pressure. Wober was superb, possibly > the best defensive display I've seen in a white shirt since the days of > Radebe, Woodgate and co. Koch was equally impressive at times but just > didn't do enough to put Rashford off for the goal, he needed to do that. > Luke Ayling was immense. He's my captain for the rest of the season, no > argument. People saying he's finished and not premier league, well last > night he had a very, youthful and skillful prospect in Garnacho in his > pocket. Ayling was almost out on his feet at the end but I don't blame him > given the effort he put in. Only thing that was missing was the 30 yarder > in the top corner which he did try and repeat. > The midfield was also a massive improvement. Adams and Mckennie weren't > pretty but both did a job and you didn't see Scum easily progressing > through our midfield as they and other teams have done in the past. People > saying Mckennie looked off the pace, but I didn't see that. Ok, not > everything came off but he was effective and contributed more in 94 mins > than Roca has all season. For a fat lad, he covered a lot of ground. Just > wait until we get him onteh Slimfast. No way back for the lacklustre Roca > IMO now. > Up front, what a brilliant start from Gnonto, I was up out of my chair > dancing around the room. I wasn't upset to see Sinistera go off and be > replaced by Jimmy. He was lively and as runnign everywhere. I don't think > he's back to full fitness but he isn't fazed by anything. One of the first > names on the team sheet for me in the run in. > Bamford was off the pace again and I think he's struggling and he can't > blame the system this time. > Harrison had a real lively first half, he was everywhere. I just wish he'd > stop giving the ball away cheaply which he has a tendancy to do. It's s > frustrating because he will play a great pass 10 mins later. > Overall, my scores would be: > Meslier - 7. Unlucky with the 2nd goal as he was partially unsighted. > Ayling - 9. Captain's performance > Strujk - went off injured early > Wober - 10 Unbelievable performance > Koch - 8 Solid apart from 2nd goal > Mckennie - 7 Battler > Adams - 8 Everywhere > Harrison - 7. Livewire first half > Sinsiterra - off injured early > Bamford - 5. Not really at the races, although good link up for Gnonto's > goal. > Gnonto - 9. Brilliant first half , faded a bit 2nd but still giving it > 100%. What a player. > Subs: > Jimmy - 7. Good running especially for our 2nd > Firpo - 5. He can't defend and that left us exposed all the way through the > 2nd half. For a big lad with long legs he's also pedestrian. Embarrassing > but funny rugby tackle to save his skin. > Rutter - 5.
Re: [LU] Scum
Ciaran, you are spot on and I think in my defence the euphoria of the point and 2 goals got the better of me. I do remember one occasion when Wober tried to dribble out of defence and I think that led to one of their best chances. Despite that, I do think his introduction to the back four is a step change … a bit like when Pontus came along and I don’t mind all the fist waving and chest pumping- long may it continue. I’m still giving him a 9 though ! On Friday, February 10, 2023, 12:27 pm, Ciaran Diver wrote: Rich, normally I agree with your reports and who you identify as playing well or poorly but just on Wober, you gave him 10 for Wednesday and say it was possibly the best defensive display since Radebe et al? He certainly put his body on the line and got some great blocks in but what about the number of times he gave the ball away putting us under pressure? I thought his distribution was very poor at times and whilst they didn't lead to a goal, there were a number of times where his poor pass could have resulted in a goal. He looked good with his fist pumping but I'm not convinced when he is on the ball personally. Hopefully he will settle down with more game time. Ciaran Message: 1 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2023 14:57:47 + (UTC) From: Richard Walker To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Scum Message-ID: <1318186895.3957134.1675954667...@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I think I aged a few (more) years after watching the game last night. When we went 2 up I was counting down the seconds til the end. My Apple watch heart monitor was interesting. I thought it was a great, battling display and our midfield and defence for most of the game stood up to continuos pressure. Wober was superb, possibly the best defensive display I've seen in a white shirt since the days of Radebe, Woodgate and co. Koch was equally impressive at times but just didn't do enough to put Rashford off for the goal, he needed to do that. Luke Ayling was immense. He's my captain for the rest of the season, no argument. People saying he's finished and not premier league, well last night he had a very, youthful and skillful prospect in Garnacho in his pocket. Ayling was almost out on his feet at the end but I don't blame him given the effort he put in. Only thing that was missing was the 30 yarder in the top corner which he did try and repeat. The midfield was also a massive improvement. Adams and Mckennie weren't pretty but both did a job and you didn't see Scum easily progressing through our midfield as they and other teams have done in the past. People saying Mckennie looked off the pace, but I didn't see that. Ok, not everything came off but he was effective and contributed more in 94 mins than Roca has all season. For a fat lad, he covered a lot of ground. Just wait until we get him onteh Slimfast. No way back for the lacklustre Roca IMO now. Up front, what a brilliant start from Gnonto, I was up out of my chair dancing around the room. I wasn't upset to see Sinistera go off and be replaced by Jimmy. He was lively and as runnign everywhere. I don't think he's back to full fitness but he isn't fazed by anything. One of the first names on the team sheet for me in the run in. Bamford was off the pace again and I think he's struggling and he can't blame the system this time. Harrison had a real lively first half, he was everywhere. I just wish he'd stop giving the ball away cheaply which he has a tendancy to do. It's s frustrating because he will play a great pass 10 mins later. Overall, my scores would be: Meslier - 7. Unlucky with the 2nd goal as he was partially unsighted. Ayling - 9. Captain's performance Strujk - went off injured early Wober - 10 Unbelievable performance Koch - 8 Solid apart from 2nd goal Mckennie - 7 Battler Adams - 8 Everywhere Harrison - 7. Livewire first half Sinsiterra - off injured early Bamford - 5. Not really at the races, although good link up for Gnonto's goal. Gnonto - 9. Brilliant first half , faded a bit 2nd but still giving it 100%. What a player. Subs: Jimmy - 7. Good running especially for our 2nd Firpo - 5. He can't defend and that left us exposed all the way through the 2nd half. For a big lad with long legs he's also pedestrian. Embarrassing but funny rugby tackle to save his skin. Rutter - 5. Came on at a difficult time but didn't look the part if I'm honest. Early days. Greenwood / Perkins - not sure why they came on ? Two goals at Old Trafford ??? Have we done that before (after 70's) ?? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe,
Re: [LU] Scum
Rich, normally I agree with your reports and who you identify as playing well or poorly but just on Wober, you gave him 10 for Wednesday and say it was possibly the best defensive display since Radebe et al? He certainly put his body on the line and got some great blocks in but what about the number of times he gave the ball away putting us under pressure? I thought his distribution was very poor at times and whilst they didn't lead to a goal, there were a number of times where his poor pass could have resulted in a goal. He looked good with his fist pumping but I'm not convinced when he is on the ball personally. Hopefully he will settle down with more game time. Ciaran Message: 1 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2023 14:57:47 + (UTC) From: Richard Walker To: Leeds List Subject: [LU] Scum Message-ID: <1318186895.3957134.1675954667...@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I think I aged a few (more) years after watching the game last night. When we went 2 up I was counting down the seconds til the end. My Apple watch heart monitor was interesting. I thought it was a great, battling display and our midfield and defence for most of the game stood up to continuos pressure. Wober was superb, possibly the best defensive display I've seen in a white shirt since the days of Radebe, Woodgate and co. Koch was equally impressive at times but just didn't do enough to put Rashford off for the goal, he needed to do that. Luke Ayling was immense. He's my captain for the rest of the season, no argument. People saying he's finished and not premier league, well last night he had a very, youthful and skillful prospect in Garnacho in his pocket. Ayling was almost out on his feet at the end but I don't blame him given the effort he put in. Only thing that was missing was the 30 yarder in the top corner which he did try and repeat. The midfield was also a massive improvement. Adams and Mckennie weren't pretty but both did a job and you didn't see Scum easily progressing through our midfield as they and other teams have done in the past. People saying Mckennie looked off the pace, but I didn't see that. Ok, not everything came off but he was effective and contributed more in 94 mins than Roca has all season. For a fat lad, he covered a lot of ground. Just wait until we get him onteh Slimfast. No way back for the lacklustre Roca IMO now. Up front, what a brilliant start from Gnonto, I was up out of my chair dancing around the room. I wasn't upset to see Sinistera go off and be replaced by Jimmy. He was lively and as runnign everywhere. I don't think he's back to full fitness but he isn't fazed by anything. One of the first names on the team sheet for me in the run in. Bamford was off the pace again and I think he's struggling and he can't blame the system this time. Harrison had a real lively first half, he was everywhere. I just wish he'd stop giving the ball away cheaply which he has a tendancy to do. It's s frustrating because he will play a great pass 10 mins later. Overall, my scores would be: Meslier - 7. Unlucky with the 2nd goal as he was partially unsighted. Ayling - 9. Captain's performance Strujk - went off injured early Wober - 10 Unbelievable performance Koch - 8 Solid apart from 2nd goal Mckennie - 7 Battler Adams - 8 Everywhere Harrison - 7. Livewire first half Sinsiterra - off injured early Bamford - 5. Not really at the races, although good link up for Gnonto's goal. Gnonto - 9. Brilliant first half , faded a bit 2nd but still giving it 100%. What a player. Subs: Jimmy - 7. Good running especially for our 2nd Firpo - 5. He can't defend and that left us exposed all the way through the 2nd half. For a big lad with long legs he's also pedestrian. Embarrassing but funny rugby tackle to save his skin. Rutter - 5. Came on at a difficult time but didn't look the part if I'm honest. Early days. Greenwood / Perkins - not sure why they came on ? Two goals at Old Trafford ??? Have we done that before (after 70's) ?? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.
