Re: [LU] Fwd: Cardiff

[Steve Gillen]

My main frustration from Sunday was watching our talented and skillful front 
players tip tapping it from one to the other. Towards the end I was literally 
shouting at the TV (I was unable to go to this game) "for f***s sake will 
someone shoot"? - people have been awful to poor Paddy but I have always rated 
him, I have known very few with the skill to hold things until support arrives 
as well as he does. And he does shoot, even if he misses, he at least has a go. 
If Paddy can't be brought back and soon, then Sunday taught me that a proven 
goal scorer has to be our priority.

Thank goodness Summerville took the advice and tried a shot.

> On 8 Aug 2023, at 15:43, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> My problem with trying to ‘analyse’ where the club is at is at is that until 
> the transfer window closes we have no idea who is staying. I doubt Gnonto 
> will be at Leeds, rumours are rife about Summerville wanting a move, but key 
> for me will be if an unfit Adams can be held onto? If we were to lose all 3 
> then hopefully replacements have been targetted, but we will undoubtedly be 
> weaker. Adams aside, I can’t think of a single Leeds player who hasn’t been 
> criticised by our fickle fans and I can’t blame any of them from wanting 
> away. Meslier and Bamford in particular must be sick of the numb-nut armchair 
> managers. That said, I’d be surprised if Leeds haven’t looked at Paddy’s 
> medical insurance with a view to laying him off? On his day he is a class 
> player, but his body just doesn’t seem up to it? 
> 
> On the basis of just one game though, I know Farke will be happier than the 
> Cardiff manager as to what the future looks like. Roll on the end of the 
> transfer window though!
> 
> 
>> On 8 Aug 2023, at 13:46, seanscribe--- via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Cody Drameh can't get fit fast enough for me. Ayling has been a marvelous 
>> servant to the club, but he's no longer a good enough defender to start for 
>> a club aiming for promotion. We know for a fact (given his Luton experience 
>> last season) that Drameh is. I also couldn't understand Farke's decision to 
>> not start Poveda, who's been an absolute revelation during pre-season. I'd 
>> have gone with Sinisterra on the left, Summerville or Gelhardt behind Gnonto 
>> in the middle, and Poveda on the right. That attacking set up would get 
>> goals. Once the team's ahead and Cardiff have to chase the game, THEN you 
>> bring on James to exploit the space behind their defence. 
>> Cheers!
>> Sean
>>   On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 06:08:56 AM EDT, Nick 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> Bit late to this, but yes, Dave, pretty much agree with that. 
>> 
>> Ayling and Cooper are creaking - despite Cooper’s cracking goal - for Cooper 
>> the judgement now is whether his undoubted leadership qualities makes up for 
>> the declining / limited qualities as a defender. Hjelde looked at sea as a 
>> left back. Dan James is fast and unguided - he doesn’t do enough with the 
>> ball once he has it, hopefully we will get a fit and engaged Harrison back 
>> soon
>> 
>> On the plusses though Cresswell and Byram came on and did well - Byram added 
>> some zip and confidence down the left. Looking forward to seeing what Drameh 
>> can bring as well - we might have a decent and young back five in a couple 
>> of weeks. I suspect it is not worth getting too hung up on Meslier, who I 
>> think is a fine young keeper but who is shell-shocked after the last 18 
>> months behind our defence - the same could be said of Struijk - because who 
>> knows how long Meslier will remain at the club.
>> 
>> Gray and Ampadu were quality in the middle - Ampadu gets his foot in, and 
>> makes good use of the ball, while Gray looks very accomplished - hope his 
>> progress continues.
>> 
>> The kind of total football forward line of Sinisterra, Somerville and Gnonto 
>> (and James) where everyone doesn’t really have a position, but just roam and 
>> cause havoc where they can, really looks like a promising way forward…if we 
>> can keep everyone - or most of them given we have Jack H and Poveda - who 
>> came on and had a very effective 20 minutes or so - to factor in.
>> 
>> Promising indeed.
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
 
 From: nattan--- via Leedslist >>> >
 Subject: [LU] Cardiff
 Date: 6 August 2023 at 19:52:54 BST
 To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
 Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com " >>> >
 
 " f off home and shag your sheep" chanted leeds fans at the end ( i make 
 no comment re Yorkshire sheep shaggers ) and it made us laugh but at one 
 point this song could easily have been booing the team off .
 After 2 boring and pretty awful years in the Prem, this was a return to 
 the championship and the madness that goes with it.
 Pre game we all agreed that no predictions about the season coukd 
 realistically be made till the 

Re: [LU] Fwd: Cardiff

[John Lee via Leedslist]

My problem with trying to ‘analyse’ where the club is at is at is that until 
the transfer window closes we have no idea who is staying. I doubt Gnonto will 
be at Leeds, rumours are rife about Summerville wanting a move, but key for me 
will be if an unfit Adams can be held onto? If we were to lose all 3 then 
hopefully replacements have been targetted, but we will undoubtedly be weaker. 
Adams aside, I can’t think of a single Leeds player who hasn’t been criticised 
by our fickle fans and I can’t blame any of them from wanting away. Meslier and 
Bamford in particular must be sick of the numb-nut armchair managers. That 
said, I’d be surprised if Leeds haven’t looked at Paddy’s medical insurance 
with a view to laying him off? On his day he is a class player, but his body 
just doesn’t seem up to it? 

On the basis of just one game though, I know Farke will be happier than the 
Cardiff manager as to what the future looks like. Roll on the end of the 
transfer window though!


> On 8 Aug 2023, at 13:46, seanscribe--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Cody Drameh can't get fit fast enough for me. Ayling has been a marvelous 
> servant to the club, but he's no longer a good enough defender to start for a 
> club aiming for promotion. We know for a fact (given his Luton experience 
> last season) that Drameh is. I also couldn't understand Farke's decision to 
> not start Poveda, who's been an absolute revelation during pre-season. I'd 
> have gone with Sinisterra on the left, Summerville or Gelhardt behind Gnonto 
> in the middle, and Poveda on the right. That attacking set up would get 
> goals. Once the team's ahead and Cardiff have to chase the game, THEN you 
> bring on James to exploit the space behind their defence. 
> Cheers!
> Sean
>On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 06:08:56 AM EDT, Nick 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Bit late to this, but yes, Dave, pretty much agree with that. 
> 
> Ayling and Cooper are creaking - despite Cooper’s cracking goal - for Cooper 
> the judgement now is whether his undoubted leadership qualities makes up for 
> the declining / limited qualities as a defender. Hjelde looked at sea as a 
> left back. Dan James is fast and unguided - he doesn’t do enough with the 
> ball once he has it, hopefully we will get a fit and engaged Harrison back 
> soon
> 
> On the plusses though Cresswell and Byram came on and did well - Byram added 
> some zip and confidence down the left. Looking forward to seeing what Drameh 
> can bring as well - we might have a decent and young back five in a couple of 
> weeks. I suspect it is not worth getting too hung up on Meslier, who I think 
> is a fine young keeper but who is shell-shocked after the last 18 months 
> behind our defence - the same could be said of Struijk - because who knows 
> how long Meslier will remain at the club.
> 
> Gray and Ampadu were quality in the middle - Ampadu gets his foot in, and 
> makes good use of the ball, while Gray looks very accomplished - hope his 
> progress continues.
> 
> The kind of total football forward line of Sinisterra, Somerville and Gnonto 
> (and James) where everyone doesn’t really have a position, but just roam and 
> cause havoc where they can, really looks like a promising way forward…if we 
> can keep everyone - or most of them given we have Jack H and Poveda - who 
> came on and had a very effective 20 minutes or so - to factor in.
> 
> Promising indeed.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> From: nattan--- via Leedslist >> >
>>> Subject: [LU] Cardiff
>>> Date: 6 August 2023 at 19:52:54 BST
>>> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>>> Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com " >> >
>>> 
>>> " f off home and shag your sheep" chanted leeds fans at the end ( i make no 
>>> comment re Yorkshire sheep shaggers ) and it made us laugh but at one point 
>>> this song could easily have been booing the team off .
>>> After 2 boring and pretty awful years in the Prem, this was a return to the 
>>> championship and the madness that goes with it.
>>> Pre game we all agreed that no predictions about the season coukd 
>>> realistically be made till the window is shut, and  i stick with that view. 
>>> Keep Summerville,  Sinisterra and Gnonto and add a good goalscorer/ no 9 
>>> and we can walk this league , lose those 3 and don't add to the squad and 
>>> things will be tough.
>>> Oversall we were streets ahead of cardiff as Ampadu and Gray bossed the 
>>> midfield and the 3 lads up front tore holes through their defence.  This 
>>> game could have been 3 or 4 nil and not flattered us.
>>> However all our failings came back and it made even a point look dodgy for 
>>> a long period.
>>> We gave away 2 really soft goals, Hjelde proved he is not a left back and 
>>> Ayling,  much as i love him, showed he is finished,  as we let them have 
>>> the freedom of our last third of the pitch and our penalty area, so we were 
>>> suddenly 2 down,  having nearly 

Re: [LU] Fwd: Cardiff

[nattan--- via Leedslist]

 Agree re James, his whole career has been complaints about his final ball/ end 
product. When teams come a sit deep,  as most will this season his speed is 
largely nullified.   So he may be better away from  home or as you say, when we 
are  in the lead. In fairness he had a good shot well saved  and did ' score' 
albeit ayling who crossed was offsideWith regards Ayling i was surprised hear 
adam pope and the lad from the kaisers talking about how good he was going 
forward and blamed his defence mistakes on Gnonto ( or Summerville cant recall 
) and the general system we played.  Game of opinons i suppose, but i view him 
as a liability a bit and hope he doesn't stay too long and spoil his " legacy " 
a great servant and  possibly  best bargain of them all 
It will be interesting to see the line up tomorrow,  he needs to get it right 
between resting players for a long hard season and getting the first team used 
to each other and his tactics.
Also as a Prem league team, these games were selling out ( often, certainly 
near me with fans who did not have STs and struggled for tickets for league 
games, do the crowd will be interesting / telling since league games will still 
be sold out 
Dave 


On Tuesday, 8 August 2023 at 12:46:33 BST, seanscribe--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  Cody Drameh can't get fit fast enough for me. Ayling has been a marvelous 
servant to the club, but he's no longer a good enough defender to start for a 
club aiming for promotion. We know for a fact (given his Luton experience last 
season) that Drameh is. I also couldn't understand Farke's decision to not 
start Poveda, who's been an absolute revelation during pre-season. I'd have 
gone with Sinisterra on the left,djde Summerville or Gelhardt behind Gnonto in 
the middle, and Poveda on the right. That attacking set up would get goals. 
Once the team's ahead and Cardiff have to chase the game, THEN you bring on 
James to exploit the space behind their defence. 
Cheers!
Sean
    On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 06:08:56 AM EDT, Nick 
 wrote:  
 
 Bit late to this, but yes, Dave, pretty much agree with that. 

Ayling and Cooper are creaking - despite Cooper’s cracking goal - for Cooper 
the judgement now is whether his undoubted leadership qualities makes up for 
the declining / limited qualities as a defender. Hjelde looked at sea as a left 
back. Dan James is fast and unguided - he doesn’t do enough with the ball once 
he has it, hopefully we will get a fit and engaged Harrison back soon

On the plusses though Cresswell and Byram came on and did well - Byram added 
some zip and confidence down the left. Looking forward to seeing what Drameh 
can bring as well - we might have a decent and young back five in a couple of 
weeks. I suspect it is not worth getting too hung up on Meslier, who I think is 
a fine young keeper but who is shell-shocked after the last 18 months behind 
our defence - the same could be said of Struijk - because who knows how long 
Meslier will remain at the club.

Gray and Ampadu were quality in the middle - Ampadu gets his foot in, and makes 
good use of the ball, while Gray looks very accomplished - hope his progress 
continues.

The kind of total football forward line of Sinisterra, Somerville and Gnonto 
(and James) where everyone doesn’t really have a position, but just roam and 
cause havoc where they can, really looks like a promising way forward…if we can 
keep everyone - or most of them given we have Jack H and Poveda - who came on 
and had a very effective 20 minutes or so - to factor in.

Promising indeed.

Nick







>> 
>> From: nattan--- via Leedslist > >
>> Subject: [LU] Cardiff
>> Date: 6 August 2023 at 19:52:54 BST
>> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com " > >
>> 
>> " f off home and shag your sheep" chanted leeds fans at the end ( i make no 
>> comment re Yorkshire sheep shaggers ) and it made us laugh but at one point 
>> this song could easily have been booing the team off .
>> After 2 boring and pretty awful years in the Prem, this was a return to the 
>> championship and the madness that goes with it.
>> Pre game we all agreed that no predictions about the season coukd 
>> realistically be made till the window is shut, and  i stick with that view. 
>> Keep Summerville,  Sinisterra and Gnonto and add a good goalscorer/ no 9 and 
>> we can walk this league , lose those 3 and don't add to the squad and things 
>> will be tough.
>> Oversall we were streets ahead of cardiff as Ampadu and Gray bossed the 
>> midfield and the 3 lads up front tore holes through their defence.  This 
>> game could have been 3 or 4 nil and not flattered us.
>> However all our failings came back and it made even a point look dodgy for a 
>> long period.
>> We gave away 2 really soft goals, Hjelde proved he is not a left back and 
>> Ayling,  much as i love him, showed he is finished,  as we let them 

Re: [LU] Fwd: Cardiff

[seanscribe--- via Leedslist]

 Cody Drameh can't get fit fast enough for me. Ayling has been a marvelous 
servant to the club, but he's no longer a good enough defender to start for a 
club aiming for promotion. We know for a fact (given his Luton experience last 
season) that Drameh is. I also couldn't understand Farke's decision to not 
start Poveda, who's been an absolute revelation during pre-season. I'd have 
gone with Sinisterra on the left, Summerville or Gelhardt behind Gnonto in the 
middle, and Poveda on the right. That attacking set up would get goals. Once 
the team's ahead and Cardiff have to chase the game, THEN you bring on James to 
exploit the space behind their defence. 
Cheers!
Sean
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 06:08:56 AM EDT, Nick 
 wrote:  
 
 Bit late to this, but yes, Dave, pretty much agree with that. 

Ayling and Cooper are creaking - despite Cooper’s cracking goal - for Cooper 
the judgement now is whether his undoubted leadership qualities makes up for 
the declining / limited qualities as a defender. Hjelde looked at sea as a left 
back. Dan James is fast and unguided - he doesn’t do enough with the ball once 
he has it, hopefully we will get a fit and engaged Harrison back soon

On the plusses though Cresswell and Byram came on and did well - Byram added 
some zip and confidence down the left. Looking forward to seeing what Drameh 
can bring as well - we might have a decent and young back five in a couple of 
weeks. I suspect it is not worth getting too hung up on Meslier, who I think is 
a fine young keeper but who is shell-shocked after the last 18 months behind 
our defence - the same could be said of Struijk - because who knows how long 
Meslier will remain at the club.

Gray and Ampadu were quality in the middle - Ampadu gets his foot in, and makes 
good use of the ball, while Gray looks very accomplished - hope his progress 
continues.

The kind of total football forward line of Sinisterra, Somerville and Gnonto 
(and James) where everyone doesn’t really have a position, but just roam and 
cause havoc where they can, really looks like a promising way forward…if we can 
keep everyone - or most of them given we have Jack H and Poveda - who came on 
and had a very effective 20 minutes or so - to factor in.

Promising indeed.

Nick







>> 
>> From: nattan--- via Leedslist > >
>> Subject: [LU] Cardiff
>> Date: 6 August 2023 at 19:52:54 BST
>> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com " > >
>> 
>> " f off home and shag your sheep" chanted leeds fans at the end ( i make no 
>> comment re Yorkshire sheep shaggers ) and it made us laugh but at one point 
>> this song could easily have been booing the team off .
>> After 2 boring and pretty awful years in the Prem, this was a return to the 
>> championship and the madness that goes with it.
>> Pre game we all agreed that no predictions about the season coukd 
>> realistically be made till the window is shut, and  i stick with that view. 
>> Keep Summerville,  Sinisterra and Gnonto and add a good goalscorer/ no 9 and 
>> we can walk this league , lose those 3 and don't add to the squad and things 
>> will be tough.
>> Oversall we were streets ahead of cardiff as Ampadu and Gray bossed the 
>> midfield and the 3 lads up front tore holes through their defence.  This 
>> game could have been 3 or 4 nil and not flattered us.
>> However all our failings came back and it made even a point look dodgy for a 
>> long period.
>> We gave away 2 really soft goals, Hjelde proved he is not a left back and 
>> Ayling,  much as i love him, showed he is finished,  as we let them have the 
>> freedom of our last third of the pitch and our penalty area, so we were 
>> suddenly 2 down,  having nearly scored the goal of the season when Gnonto 
>> fired just over.
>> The good news,  Byram looked the part especially going forward , and we kept 
>> going right till the end and looked the fitter of the 2 teams 
>> So all in all 2 pts dropped or a point gained , take your pick, but it was 
>> fun. 
>> It was great to see a leeds team, once again,  wanting to keep the ball and 
>> pass it around and then the attacking flair of GSS up top was brilliant to 
>> watch. 
>> We will play much worse and win this season. 
>> Get a goal scorer and we will be fine if we can keep these players
>> Dave 
>> ___
> 

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[LU] Fwd: Cardiff

[Nick]

Bit late to this, but yes, Dave, pretty much agree with that. 

Ayling and Cooper are creaking - despite Cooper’s cracking goal - for Cooper 
the judgement now is whether his undoubted leadership qualities makes up for 
the declining / limited qualities as a defender. Hjelde looked at sea as a left 
back. Dan James is fast and unguided - he doesn’t do enough with the ball once 
he has it, hopefully we will get a fit and engaged Harrison back soon

On the plusses though Cresswell and Byram came on and did well - Byram added 
some zip and confidence down the left. Looking forward to seeing what Drameh 
can bring as well - we might have a decent and young back five in a couple of 
weeks. I suspect it is not worth getting too hung up on Meslier, who I think is 
a fine young keeper but who is shell-shocked after the last 18 months behind 
our defence - the same could be said of Struijk - because who knows how long 
Meslier will remain at the club.

Gray and Ampadu were quality in the middle - Ampadu gets his foot in, and makes 
good use of the ball, while Gray looks very accomplished - hope his progress 
continues.

The kind of total football forward line of Sinisterra, Somerville and Gnonto 
(and James) where everyone doesn’t really have a position, but just roam and 
cause havoc where they can, really looks like a promising way forward…if we can 
keep everyone - or most of them given we have Jack H and Poveda - who came on 
and had a very effective 20 minutes or so - to factor in.

Promising indeed.

Nick







>> 
>> From: nattan--- via Leedslist > >
>> Subject: [LU] Cardiff
>> Date: 6 August 2023 at 19:52:54 BST
>> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com " > >
>> 
>> " f off home and shag your sheep" chanted leeds fans at the end ( i make no 
>> comment re Yorkshire sheep shaggers ) and it made us laugh but at one point 
>> this song could easily have been booing the team off .
>> After 2 boring and pretty awful years in the Prem, this was a return to the 
>> championship and the madness that goes with it.
>> Pre game we all agreed that no predictions about the season coukd 
>> realistically be made till the window is shut, and  i stick with that view. 
>> Keep Summerville,  Sinisterra and Gnonto and add a good goalscorer/ no 9 and 
>> we can walk this league , lose those 3 and don't add to the squad and things 
>> will be tough.
>> Oversall we were streets ahead of cardiff as Ampadu and Gray bossed the 
>> midfield and the 3 lads up front tore holes through their defence.  This 
>> game could have been 3 or 4 nil and not flattered us.
>> However all our failings came back and it made even a point look dodgy for a 
>> long period.
>> We gave away 2 really soft goals, Hjelde proved he is not a left back and 
>> Ayling,  much as i love him, showed he is finished,  as we let them have the 
>> freedom of our last third of the pitch and our penalty area, so we were 
>> suddenly 2 down,  having nearly scored the goal of the season when Gnonto 
>> fired just over.
>> The good news,  Byram looked the part especially going forward , and we kept 
>> going right till the end and looked the fitter of the 2 teams 
>> So all in all 2 pts dropped or a point gained , take your pick, but it was 
>> fun. 
>> It was great to see a leeds team, once again,  wanting to keep the ball and 
>> pass it around and then the attacking flair of GSS up top was brilliant to 
>> watch. 
>> We will play much worse and win this season. 
>> Get a goal scorer and we will be fine if we can keep these players
>> Dave 
>> ___
> 

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