Re: [LU] End of the season

[Ed Morrish]

That's my understanding, too - although with Rasmus and Aaronson, I assume
we'd loan them out again and again until they're out of contract/their book
value is so low that another club pays it.

On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 at 14:59, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>
> I sort of understand it.
>
> If Sinisterra cost £25m on a 5 year contract - that cost/value would be
> split £5m per year.
> So after the end of this season he'd be deemed to be worth £15m.
>
> So if we sell him for £20m, then we'd be showing £5m profit for FFP
> If we let him go for nothing - we'd have to right off the £15m left.
>
> So at a guess and depending on how they are doing - we might be making a
> profit if we got rid of;
> Sinisterra - Talk recently that Bournemouth were interested in a
> permanent move
> Harrison - Any regular premier league starter is worth £20m - just a
> shame he's at a club with no money
>
> Wober / Roca - have 2 years less on their contracts and seem to be
> playing so we could probably break even
> Llorente plays but Roma arent going to pay much
>
> Arronson and Kristensen are the biggest issues - as cant see anyone
> wanting them. So its take them back or write off the value.  Probably
> more on Jesse than Orta for them.
>
> I think Boro have an option to buy for Greenwood at a pretty low price
> -so he'll go as well
> Koch and Drameh out of contract at end of season - so no issues
>
> I think Harrison was pretty blameless the way the club treated him last
> year, so would welcome him back - Sini is good enough but burned his
> bridges - and imagine Farke wants a clean slate anyway.  If we dont go
> up - sounds like we will need to sell, and that probably makes
> Summerville most likely due to have no transfer fee to pay back.
>
> One interesting thing from the weekend - Boro v Sunderland - who are
> both play-off contenders featured 3 loanees from Leeds - none of whom
> were near our squad. Ayling, Hjelde, Greenwood.  Does suggest that even
> with the turmoil of the last year - we still have much better squad than
> most of our competitors.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Kevin Lewis via Leedslist" 
> To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: "Leeds List 2010" 
> Sent: Monday, 5 Feb, 24 At 14:20
> Subject: Re: [LU] End of the season
> I’m not quite sure, and I suspect nobody fully understands how transfer
> fees received v  residual values of assets actually affects FFP and I
> suspect some of the loans were just as beneficial for Leeds as the
> player
> themselves.
> However, I can’t forgive the Orta regime  for essentially leaving the
> club
> no other options but to do that and thus reduce the value of each player
> by
> a year, or down to nothing.
> It does give the whole thing another sub-plot though.
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 at 14:09,  wrote:
> For me the decision would first be how many are good enough? Of that lot
> maybe only Sinisterra and Wober. Given their words and actions, neither
> should even be given the option imho. Inevitably, as ‘assets’, all the
> loanees have probably depreciated and the club will presumably loan them
> all out again to get them off the wage bill. I’m sure the club’s
> accountants have pretty much written them off as worthless re sales
> values,
> because no other club will buy them while we’re over that barrel? Whilst
> they’re still seen as paper assets though then our position re FFP is
> better - unless anyone knows better?
> Harrison is ok, but blows hot and cold and I don’t think it’d be good
> for
> either him or the club to have him back. Whether we can get a few
> million
> for him I don’t know?
> Of equal interest come season-end, whichever division we’re in, will be
> the clubs ‘we want to be like Leicester’ model,  selling 1 or 2 star
> players to keep finances ticking over - seeing Summerville, Rutter or,
> god
> forbid, Gray going would be a real sickener.
>
>
>
> On 5 Feb 2024, at 13:08, Ted  wrote:
> Totally agree!
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Re: [LU] End of the season

[MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist]

I sort of understand it.

If Sinisterra cost £25m on a 5 year contract - that cost/value would be 
split £5m per year.

So after the end of this season he'd be deemed to be worth £15m.

So if we sell him for £20m, then we'd be showing £5m profit for FFP
If we let him go for nothing - we'd have to right off the £15m left.

So at a guess and depending on how they are doing - we might be making a 
profit if we got rid of;
Sinisterra - Talk recently that Bournemouth were interested in a 
permanent move
Harrison - Any regular premier league starter is worth £20m - just a 
shame he's at a club with no money


Wober / Roca - have 2 years less on their contracts and seem to be 
playing so we could probably break even

Llorente plays but Roma arent going to pay much

Arronson and Kristensen are the biggest issues - as cant see anyone 
wanting them. So its take them back or write off the value.  Probably 
more on Jesse than Orta for them.


I think Boro have an option to buy for Greenwood at a pretty low price 
-so he'll go as well

Koch and Drameh out of contract at end of season - so no issues

I think Harrison was pretty blameless the way the club treated him last 
year, so would welcome him back - Sini is good enough but burned his 
bridges - and imagine Farke wants a clean slate anyway.  If we dont go 
up - sounds like we will need to sell, and that probably makes 
Summerville most likely due to have no transfer fee to pay back.


One interesting thing from the weekend - Boro v Sunderland - who are 
both play-off contenders featured 3 loanees from Leeds - none of whom 
were near our squad. Ayling, Hjelde, Greenwood.  Does suggest that even 
with the turmoil of the last year - we still have much better squad than 
most of our competitors.


Matt



-- Original Message --
From: "Kevin Lewis via Leedslist" 
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: "Leeds List 2010" 
Sent: Monday, 5 Feb, 24 At 14:20
Subject: Re: [LU] End of the season
I’m not quite sure, and I suspect nobody fully understands how transfer
fees received v  residual values of assets actually affects FFP and I
suspect some of the loans were just as beneficial for Leeds as the 
player

themselves.
However, I can’t forgive the Orta regime  for essentially leaving the 
club
no other options but to do that and thus reduce the value of each player 
by

a year, or down to nothing.
It does give the whole thing another sub-plot though.
On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 at 14:09,  wrote:
For me the decision would first be how many are good enough? Of that lot
maybe only Sinisterra and Wober. Given their words and actions, neither
should even be given the option imho. Inevitably, as ‘assets’, all the
loanees have probably depreciated and the club will presumably loan them
all out again to get them off the wage bill. I’m sure the club’s
accountants have pretty much written them off as worthless re sales 
values,

because no other club will buy them while we’re over that barrel? Whilst
they’re still seen as paper assets though then our position re FFP is
better - unless anyone knows better?
Harrison is ok, but blows hot and cold and I don’t think it’d be good 
for
either him or the club to have him back. Whether we can get a few 
million

for him I don’t know?
Of equal interest come season-end, whichever division we’re in, will be
the clubs ‘we want to be like Leicester’ model,  selling 1 or 2 star
players to keep finances ticking over - seeing Summerville, Rutter or, 
god

forbid, Gray going would be a real sickener.



On 5 Feb 2024, at 13:08, Ted  wrote:
Totally agree!
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Re: [LU] End of the season

[Kevin Lewis via Leedslist]

I’m not quite sure, and I suspect nobody fully understands how transfer
fees received v  residual values of assets actually affects FFP and I
suspect some of the loans were just as beneficial for Leeds as the player
themselves.

However, I can’t forgive the Orta regime  for essentially leaving the club
no other options but to do that and thus reduce the value of each player by
a year, or down to nothing.

It does give the whole thing another sub-plot though.

On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 at 14:09,  wrote:

> For me the decision would first be how many are good enough? Of that lot
> maybe only Sinisterra and Wober. Given their words and actions, neither
> should even be given the option imho. Inevitably, as ‘assets’, all the
> loanees have probably depreciated and the club will presumably loan them
> all out again to get them off the wage bill. I’m sure the club’s
> accountants have pretty much written them off as worthless re sales values,
> because no other club will buy them while we’re over that barrel? Whilst
> they’re still seen as paper assets though then our position re FFP is
> better - unless anyone knows better?
>
> Harrison is ok, but blows hot and cold and I don’t think it’d be good for
> either him or the club to have him back. Whether we can get a few million
> for him I don’t know?
>
> Of equal interest come season-end, whichever division we’re in, will be
> the clubs ‘we want to be like Leicester’ model,  selling 1 or 2 star
> players to keep finances ticking over - seeing Summerville, Rutter or, god
> forbid, Gray going would be a real sickener.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 5 Feb 2024, at 13:08, Ted  wrote:
> >
> > Totally agree!
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Re: [LU] End of the season

[John Lee via Leedslist]

For me the decision would first be how many are good enough? Of that lot maybe 
only Sinisterra and Wober. Given their words and actions, neither should even 
be given the option imho. Inevitably, as ‘assets’, all the loanees have 
probably depreciated and the club will presumably loan them all out again to 
get them off the wage bill. I’m sure the club’s accountants have pretty much 
written them off as worthless re sales values, because no other club will buy 
them while we’re over that barrel? Whilst they’re still seen as paper assets 
though then our position re FFP is better - unless anyone knows better?

Harrison is ok, but blows hot and cold and I don’t think it’d be good for 
either him or the club to have him back. Whether we can get a few million for 
him I don’t know?

Of equal interest come season-end, whichever division we’re in, will be the 
clubs ‘we want to be like Leicester’ model,  selling 1 or 2 star players to 
keep finances ticking over - seeing Summerville, Rutter or, god forbid, Gray 
going would be a real sickener. 






> On 5 Feb 2024, at 13:08, Ted  wrote:
> 
> Totally agree!
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Re: [LU] End of the season

[Ted]

Totally agree!
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[LU] End of the season

[Kevin Lewis via Leedslist]

One of the issues that interests me is what happens to all the players out
on loan at the end of this season.  Obviously it will depend to some extent
on the division Leeds end up in, but I’d be interested to know if people
think any of the ‘deserters’ would be welcomed back.

Whilst part of me wants to see them come back with tails between their legs
after poor loan spells away. The other part of me says that we will get
more for them if they have done ok.  Either way I hope the new owners play
hardball and screw the best fees out of any buyers, while making the whole
process as uncomfortable as possible for them.
Forgetting Gyabi and Greenwood for the moment, who IMO might have a future
at Leeds if we don’t get promoted.  I can’t see any of the others coming
back to play in the championship, even those who have not done much in
their loans.  To be truthful my feeling is they can bugger off if they
think they can swan back to Leeds if we get promoted. By and large, they
weren’t good enough and have been replaced by players just as good.
The only one who I would consider taking back is Harrison.  He did commit
to the cause over 5 ys and is good enough for the prem.
As for Kristensen, Llorente, Wöber, Roca, Sinisterra, Aaronson.  I’d rather
see them rot, but not let any of them go on the cheap out of principle.

KOT.
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