Re: [LU] For Rick
- Original Message - There is also the new TL Yes but it has no substance at the moment. It is a group set up to explore what might be possible. So, we will see what might be possible. We will hear what will be said on Saturday on this. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] For Rick
There is also the new TL http://www.2900miles.com/together-leeds-qa/ - Original Message - Just trying to follow your thread Rick as you may possibly have more insight than some on this topic. Are you saying Cellino has no future at Leeds as things stand? If not then what are the implications for the club? Admin?Just trying to get a sense of what may happen next. I don't have any sort of precise inside info but I have had discussions with the FL etc and various other parties and so on over the last few years. I also have second-hand lines of similar communications at FSF level.. The problem is that Cellino has other cases in the pipeline which appear to be so similar that he will get the same verdict and therefore again become ineligible. Also, after the Bates no-show at the DCMS select Committee hearing when (essentially) the PL were put on the spot (forcing Bates to admit to ownership) a new working arrangement between the PL FL was put into place. There is every indication that this arrangement has recently been strengthened and tightened in the anticipation of bigger solidarity payments arising from the new TV deal negotiations. The issue here is that the PL have the funding to pay international consultants to research prospective club owners and that they began to share these resources and these findings with the FL. I fully expect that the PL had a fairly full dossier on Cellino before he ever turned up at Leeds and nobody knows what is in there. I think that we were intended to have gone into administration at the hands of GFH if Cellino had not won his arguments the first time around. It is certain that meetings were held with appropriate firms to discuss the possibilities. That may also be why TL provided the FL with funding information as this undermined the possibility of GFH being able to get away with a Bates style pre-pack deal. I would personally think that the fact that TL are still around in the form of what is known as Farnan-Verity and the fact that F-V are known to the FL reduces the possibility of, and benefits of, putting the club into administration. If Cellino is able to control himself - especially whilst under the influence - then he can ride out this current ban by keeping a zero profile. I doubt that he will be able to do that. That's really why I think he will need to sell the club but not a fire sale. It isn't impossible for somebody to continue under a ban, but I suspect that it might be impossible for Cellino. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER Subscribe to GOs all-in one Limitless Home Pack. Benefit from great savings on all 4 services per month and the convenience of 1 single bill with prices starting from only Euro 33 per month. Click here for more info (www.go.com.mt/homepack) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] For Rick
- Original Message - Just trying to follow your thread Rick as you may possibly have more insight than some on this topic. Are you saying Cellino has no future at Leeds as things stand? If not then what are the implications for the club? Admin?Just trying to get a sense of what may happen next. I don't have any sort of precise inside info but I have had discussions with the FL etc and various other parties and so on over the last few years. I also have second-hand lines of similar communications at FSF level.. The problem is that Cellino has other cases in the pipeline which appear to be so similar that he will get the same verdict and therefore again become ineligible. Also, after the Bates no-show at the DCMS select Committee hearing when (essentially) the PL were put on the spot (forcing Bates to admit to ownership) a new working arrangement between the PL FL was put into place. There is every indication that this arrangement has recently been strengthened and tightened in the anticipation of bigger solidarity payments arising from the new TV deal negotiations. The issue here is that the PL have the funding to pay international consultants to research prospective club owners and that they began to share these resources and these findings with the FL. I fully expect that the PL had a fairly full dossier on Cellino before he ever turned up at Leeds and nobody knows what is in there. I think that we were intended to have gone into administration at the hands of GFH if Cellino had not won his arguments the first time around. It is certain that meetings were held with appropriate firms to discuss the possibilities. That may also be why TL provided the FL with funding information as this undermined the possibility of GFH being able to get away with a Bates style pre-pack deal. I would personally think that the fact that TL are still around in the form of what is known as Farnan-Verity and the fact that F-V are known to the FL reduces the possibility of, and benefits of, putting the club into administration. If Cellino is able to control himself - especially whilst under the influence - then he can ride out this current ban by keeping a zero profile. I doubt that he will be able to do that. That's really why I think he will need to sell the club but not a fire sale. It isn't impossible for somebody to continue under a ban, but I suspect that it might be impossible for Cellino. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] For Rick
Thanks Rick, Most helpful! From: ri...@ntlworld.com To: Leedslist@gn.apc.org Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 13:56:17 + Subject: Re: [LU] For Rick - Original Message - There is also the new TL Yes but it has no substance at the moment. It is a group set up to explore what might be possible. So, we will see what might be possible. We will hear what will be said on Saturday on this. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] For Rick
Interesting comments Rick - cheers! From: Rick Duniec (@ntl) ri...@ntlworld.com To: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com; Leedslist@gn.apc.org leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2015, 13:14 Subject: Re: [LU] For Rick - Original Message - Just trying to follow your thread Rick as you may possibly have more insight than some on this topic. Are you saying Cellino has no future at Leeds as things stand? If not then what are the implications for the club? Admin?Just trying to get a sense of what may happen next. I don't have any sort of precise inside info but I have had discussions with the FL etc and various other parties and so on over the last few years. I also have second-hand lines of similar communications at FSF level.. The problem is that Cellino has other cases in the pipeline which appear to be so similar that he will get the same verdict and therefore again become ineligible. Also, after the Bates no-show at the DCMS select Committee hearing when (essentially) the PL were put on the spot (forcing Bates to admit to ownership) a new working arrangement between the PL FL was put into place. There is every indication that this arrangement has recently been strengthened and tightened in the anticipation of bigger solidarity payments arising from the new TV deal negotiations. The issue here is that the PL have the funding to pay international consultants to research prospective club owners and that they began to share these resources and these findings with the FL. I fully expect that the PL had a fairly full dossier on Cellino before he ever turned up at Leeds and nobody knows what is in there. I think that we were intended to have gone into administration at the hands of GFH if Cellino had not won his arguments the first time around. It is certain that meetings were held with appropriate firms to discuss the possibilities. That may also be why TL provided the FL with funding information as this undermined the possibility of GFH being able to get away with a Bates style pre-pack deal. I would personally think that the fact that TL are still around in the form of what is known as Farnan-Verity and the fact that F-V are known to the FL reduces the possibility of, and benefits of, putting the club into administration. If Cellino is able to control himself - especially whilst under the influence - then he can ride out this current ban by keeping a zero profile. I doubt that he will be able to do that. That's really why I think he will need to sell the club but not a fire sale. It isn't impossible for somebody to continue under a ban, but I suspect that it might be impossible for Cellino. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] For Rick
- Original Message - Interesting comments Rick - cheers! Thanks. If you haven't read it, have a look at what David Conn has written on the subject since. He paints a fair picture IMHO and pushes us further along the line towards a review of the bigger picture. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] For Rick
Just trying to follow your thread Rick as you may possibly have more insight than some on this topic. Are you saying Cellino has no future at Leeds as things stand? If not then what are the implications for the club? Admin?Just trying to get a sense of what may happen next. Best, Jeremy From: ri...@ntlworld.com To: Leedslist@gn.apc.org Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:10:49 + Subject: [LU] Fw: Lu: Appeal lost well said - Original Message - The FL would argue it has not been applied arbitrarily. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
