Re: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings!
I agree Rev...very much on a knifeedge at the mo. I think Bielsa requires so much more of his players than yer average manager. As long as they can see the benefits of all that extra work, I'm sure the players will remain onside. After all, just look what Bielsa has done for the careers of Phillips, Bamford, Dallas, Klich etc. But I fear things could quickly turn sour if a few of the players start to get grumpy. Wham is a massive match. I think we all know we are not yet ready to challenge the petrodollar superclubs, but there is a swathe of second tier teams we really need to be competing with...Everton, Leicester, Wham. They comfortably did the double over us last year and have started well. They should be full of confidence whereas we are not. We could have Cresswell marking the best unsung striker in the league ie Antonio. It could all go horribly wrong! An early goal for (hopefully fit) Bamford or Rodrigo would really help matters! On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 9:58 AM John Lee via Leedslist wrote: > Interesting comment re Whats App Graham White, as I was thinking of > joining. > > I still prefer this list tbh, but content has, understandably, become > pretty minimalist, so I dip into the FB group, but that only seems to be > the same 10/15 people commenting. > > I don’t post much in comparison to yesteryear (thank god for that I hear > you cry) - DRB, me and Guy used to post irregularly regularly to each other > and I think a bit of the list went with them :-( Guy in particular was > great at starting all manner of spurious debate, often unknowingly, and of > course he created our list off-shoot cycling group. > > As for now, I actually don’t know how I feel about the good ship LUFC. > It’s a tipping point moment - Bielsa has worked miracles, the football and > approach has been amazing, but the players he’s indoctrinated are getting > old/are not good enough, Bielsa’s stubbornness appears legendary (even when > wrong), and I genuinely don’t know whether our naive brand of football can > take us further - we desperately need Bielsa.2! Will he promote our young > uns, are they going to be good enough, if we survive for another season > will we become a feeder club again as it becomes clear we can’t compete > with the top 6 without huge injections of cash. > > Or is it all as straight-forward as hitting the back of the f***ing net a > bit more often ;-) > Because if we did that, none of the above would matter! Maybe? > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 23 Sep 2021, at 03:21, Ian Murray wrote: > > > > You can mute it mate. I do. I just dip in when I want. > > > > I > > > > > > From: Leedslist on behalf of Graham > White via Leedslist > > Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2021 8:43 PM > > To: Leeds List 2010 ; James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! < > jameslun...@yahoo.co.uk> > > Subject: Re: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings! > > > > I was on the WhatsApp group for while but had to come off as the sheer > volume of messages was drowning out everything else. > > > > Cheers > > > > Graham White > > > > > >On Thursday, 16 September 2021, 18:08:37 CEST, James A. Lundon @ > Yahoo! via Leedslist wrote: > > > > The era of the pure e-mailing list is almost gone! I am still on a lot > of old-style mailing lists so know better than many. The only one that is > going as strong as ever is something called RISKS [ACM FORUM ON RISKS TO > THE PUBLIC IN COMPUTERS AND RELATED SYSTEMS (comp.risks) - Peter G. > Neumann, founder and still moderator]. This very excellent RISKS mailing > list has been going since 1989 or 1990 and has its own very dedicated > membership etc. > > > > We have been on the go since mid-June 1992, which means we are in our > 30th year of continuous operation. This is a hugely impressive thing in > and of itself. I have almost everything that has been posted on the list > during that time, and everything from January 1993, when I first joined > myself. At least half the people on this list have been on it for over 25 > years or more. We are not unlike RISKS in many ways but it's how we deal > with it, will decide whether we continue as we are or not. > > > > The new WhatsApp group is great - which I'm trying to archive too - but > it should never replace this mailing list. Saying all that, the mailing > list is only as good as the people who contribute to it, which really is > just two or three people on a consistent basis. Dave N. and Rich W. are > keeping it fed almost single-handedly with their regular and consistently > insightful & high-quality match reports. The more people who contribute to >
Re: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings!
Interesting comment re Whats App Graham White, as I was thinking of joining. I still prefer this list tbh, but content has, understandably, become pretty minimalist, so I dip into the FB group, but that only seems to be the same 10/15 people commenting. I don’t post much in comparison to yesteryear (thank god for that I hear you cry) - DRB, me and Guy used to post irregularly regularly to each other and I think a bit of the list went with them :-( Guy in particular was great at starting all manner of spurious debate, often unknowingly, and of course he created our list off-shoot cycling group. As for now, I actually don’t know how I feel about the good ship LUFC. It’s a tipping point moment - Bielsa has worked miracles, the football and approach has been amazing, but the players he’s indoctrinated are getting old/are not good enough, Bielsa’s stubbornness appears legendary (even when wrong), and I genuinely don’t know whether our naive brand of football can take us further - we desperately need Bielsa.2! Will he promote our young uns, are they going to be good enough, if we survive for another season will we become a feeder club again as it becomes clear we can’t compete with the top 6 without huge injections of cash. Or is it all as straight-forward as hitting the back of the f***ing net a bit more often ;-) Because if we did that, none of the above would matter! Maybe? Sent from my iPad > On 23 Sep 2021, at 03:21, Ian Murray wrote: > > You can mute it mate. I do. I just dip in when I want. > > I > > > From: Leedslist on behalf of Graham White via > Leedslist > Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2021 8:43 PM > To: Leeds List 2010 ; James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! > > Subject: Re: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings! > > I was on the WhatsApp group for while but had to come off as the sheer volume > of messages was drowning out everything else. > > Cheers > > Graham White > > >On Thursday, 16 September 2021, 18:08:37 CEST, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! > via Leedslist wrote: > > The era of the pure e-mailing list is almost gone! I am still on a lot of > old-style mailing lists so know better than many. The only one that is going > as strong as ever is something called RISKS [ACM FORUM ON RISKS TO THE PUBLIC > IN COMPUTERS AND RELATED SYSTEMS (comp.risks) - Peter G. Neumann, founder and > still moderator]. This very excellent RISKS mailing list has been going > since 1989 or 1990 and has its own very dedicated membership etc. > > We have been on the go since mid-June 1992, which means we are in our 30th > year of continuous operation. This is a hugely impressive thing in and of > itself. I have almost everything that has been posted on the list during > that time, and everything from January 1993, when I first joined myself. At > least half the people on this list have been on it for over 25 years or more. > We are not unlike RISKS in many ways but it's how we deal with it, will > decide whether we continue as we are or not. > > The new WhatsApp group is great - which I'm trying to archive too - but it > should never replace this mailing list. Saying all that, the mailing list is > only as good as the people who contribute to it, which really is just two or > three people on a consistent basis. Dave N. and Rich W. are keeping it fed > almost single-handedly with their regular and consistently insightful & > high-quality match reports. The more people who contribute to the list, the > healthier it will be. > > I do see a few problems with the current Leedslist mailing list, one is the > fact that it is text-based when time & tide have moved towards a more > web-centric world (see below), another is the unknowing but very annoying > habit of some posters to reply to (digest) posts including the entire > contents of the (digest) posts they are replying to. There is little or > nothing that the mailing list administrators [John Betty and myself] can do > about that latter annoyance. It has turned a few people off the list but we > don't want to go down the road of moderating all contributions etc. > > Remember, when the mailing list was first set up it was at a > different-almost-pre-web time when many of us were not able to go to games, > nor to look at them live on telly. The latter is pretty much no longer the > case. There are many other e-forums for fans to contribute to than before > too: Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, WACCOE-like forums, personal blogs etc. > We live in an increasingly segmented world where we can consume our media in > almost unique ways, this e-mailing list still being an almost-communal > experience. > > We live in a much more "immed
Re: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings!
You can mute it mate. I do. I just dip in when I want. I From: Leedslist on behalf of Graham White via Leedslist Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2021 8:43 PM To: Leeds List 2010 ; James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! Subject: Re: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings! I was on the WhatsApp group for while but had to come off as the sheer volume of messages was drowning out everything else. Cheers Graham White On Thursday, 16 September 2021, 18:08:37 CEST, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist wrote: The era of the pure e-mailing list is almost gone! I am still on a lot of old-style mailing lists so know better than many. The only one that is going as strong as ever is something called RISKS [ACM FORUM ON RISKS TO THE PUBLIC IN COMPUTERS AND RELATED SYSTEMS (comp.risks) - Peter G. Neumann, founder and still moderator]. This very excellent RISKS mailing list has been going since 1989 or 1990 and has its own very dedicated membership etc. We have been on the go since mid-June 1992, which means we are in our 30th year of continuous operation. This is a hugely impressive thing in and of itself. I have almost everything that has been posted on the list during that time, and everything from January 1993, when I first joined myself. At least half the people on this list have been on it for over 25 years or more. We are not unlike RISKS in many ways but it's how we deal with it, will decide whether we continue as we are or not. The new WhatsApp group is great - which I'm trying to archive too - but it should never replace this mailing list. Saying all that, the mailing list is only as good as the people who contribute to it, which really is just two or three people on a consistent basis. Dave N. and Rich W. are keeping it fed almost single-handedly with their regular and consistently insightful & high-quality match reports. The more people who contribute to the list, the healthier it will be. I do see a few problems with the current Leedslist mailing list, one is the fact that it is text-based when time & tide have moved towards a more web-centric world (see below), another is the unknowing but very annoying habit of some posters to reply to (digest) posts including the entire contents of the (digest) posts they are replying to. There is little or nothing that the mailing list administrators [John Betty and myself] can do about that latter annoyance. It has turned a few people off the list but we don't want to go down the road of moderating all contributions etc. Remember, when the mailing list was first set up it was at a different-almost-pre-web time when many of us were not able to go to games, nor to look at them live on telly. The latter is pretty much no longer the case. There are many other e-forums for fans to contribute to than before too: Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, WACCOE-like forums, personal blogs etc. We live in an increasingly segmented world where we can consume our media in almost unique ways, this e-mailing list still being an almost-communal experience. We live in a much more "immediate" world than ever before too, which suits the WhatsApp model, while many of us are more reflective, which suits the e-mailing list model. However, for the list to survive, the quantity, but especially the quality, of the contributions must stay high, otherwise, we will continue to die very slowly. Who else is willing to man that gap of keeping the signal-to-noise ratio high? Let's be having ya, Kevin Lewis and your always-excellent musings, or anything else that comes into that weird and wonderful mind of yours, KofT! James. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
Re: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings!
I was on the WhatsApp group for while but had to come off as the sheer volume of messages was drowning out everything else. Cheers Graham White On Thursday, 16 September 2021, 18:08:37 CEST, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist wrote: The era of the pure e-mailing list is almost gone! I am still on a lot of old-style mailing lists so know better than many. The only one that is going as strong as ever is something called RISKS [ACM FORUM ON RISKS TO THE PUBLIC IN COMPUTERS AND RELATED SYSTEMS (comp.risks) - Peter G. Neumann, founder and still moderator]. This very excellent RISKS mailing list has been going since 1989 or 1990 and has its own very dedicated membership etc. We have been on the go since mid-June 1992, which means we are in our 30th year of continuous operation. This is a hugely impressive thing in and of itself. I have almost everything that has been posted on the list during that time, and everything from January 1993, when I first joined myself. At least half the people on this list have been on it for over 25 years or more. We are not unlike RISKS in many ways but it's how we deal with it, will decide whether we continue as we are or not. The new WhatsApp group is great - which I'm trying to archive too - but it should never replace this mailing list. Saying all that, the mailing list is only as good as the people who contribute to it, which really is just two or three people on a consistent basis. Dave N. and Rich W. are keeping it fed almost single-handedly with their regular and consistently insightful & high-quality match reports. The more people who contribute to the list, the healthier it will be. I do see a few problems with the current Leedslist mailing list, one is the fact that it is text-based when time & tide have moved towards a more web-centric world (see below), another is the unknowing but very annoying habit of some posters to reply to (digest) posts including the entire contents of the (digest) posts they are replying to. There is little or nothing that the mailing list administrators [John Betty and myself] can do about that latter annoyance. It has turned a few people off the list but we don't want to go down the road of moderating all contributions etc. Remember, when the mailing list was first set up it was at a different-almost-pre-web time when many of us were not able to go to games, nor to look at them live on telly. The latter is pretty much no longer the case. There are many other e-forums for fans to contribute to than before too: Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, WACCOE-like forums, personal blogs etc. We live in an increasingly segmented world where we can consume our media in almost unique ways, this e-mailing list still being an almost-communal experience. We live in a much more "immediate" world than ever before too, which suits the WhatsApp model, while many of us are more reflective, which suits the e-mailing list model. However, for the list to survive, the quantity, but especially the quality, of the contributions must stay high, otherwise, we will continue to die very slowly. Who else is willing to man that gap of keeping the signal-to-noise ratio high? Let's be having ya, Kevin Lewis and your always-excellent musings, or anything else that comes into that weird and wonderful mind of yours, KofT! James. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
Re: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings!
Well said nif! Nigel (the Dublin one) -Original Message- From: Leedslist On Behalf Of N If Sent: 18 September 2021 14:37 To: leedslist Subject: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings! Rarely read the real list nowadays, but wouldn't do without regularly chatting with our listers on Whatsapp - where there was recently a post about 'imagined communities'. The bond and love I feel for this community is powerful, and I often refer to comments from listers as 'one of my friends said..." or 'my friends are saying...' Certainly, I feel a greater sense of belonging, than I ever did amongst the misogynist, racist guys on the supporters bus on the way home from an away game (The same guys that I'd hugged as we sang We Are Leeds and All Leeds Are We MOT at the game). No, like Latvian John, I met everynweek at our spot on the Kop, the list is my mates. And I feel proud to be part of it. Many great contributors over the years, I have my own favourites; as you said James, Dave and Richard's reports have been vital, as has Betty's stewardship. Love you all. sniff. Cheers nif Cheers nif ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
[LU] The healthy of this list - some musings!
Rarely read the real list nowadays, but wouldn't do without regularly chatting with our listers on Whatsapp - where there was recently a post about 'imagined communities'. The bond and love I feel for this community is powerful, and I often refer to comments from listers as 'one of my friends said..." or 'my friends are saying...' Certainly, I feel a greater sense of belonging, than I ever did amongst the misogynist, racist guys on the supporters bus on the way home from an away game (The same guys that I'd hugged as we sang We Are Leeds and All Leeds Are We MOT at the game). No, like Latvian John, I met everynweek at our spot on the Kop, the list is my mates. And I feel proud to be part of it. Many great contributors over the years, I have my own favourites; as you said James, Dave and Richard's reports have been vital, as has Betty's stewardship. Love you all. sniff. Cheers nif Cheers nif ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
Re: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings!
Yes - nearly 30yrs! Wow! Can someone send a WhatsApp invite please? -Original Message- From: Leedslist On Behalf Of James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 9:08 AM To: Leeds List 2010 Subject: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings! The era of the pure e-mailing list is almost gone! I am still on a lot of old-style mailing lists so know better than many. The only one that is going as strong as ever is something called RISKS [ACM FORUM ON RISKS TO THE PUBLIC IN COMPUTERS AND RELATED SYSTEMS (comp.risks) - Peter G. Neumann, founder and still moderator]. This very excellent RISKS mailing list has been going since 1989 or 1990 and has its own very dedicated membership etc. We have been on the go since mid-June 1992, which means we are in our 30th year of continuous operation. This is a hugely impressive thing in and of itself. I have almost everything that has been posted on the list during that time, and everything from January 1993, when I first joined myself. At least half the people on this list have been on it for over 25 years or more. We are not unlike RISKS in many ways but it's how we deal with it, will decide whether we continue as we are or not. The new WhatsApp group is great - which I'm trying to archive too - but it should never replace this mailing list. Saying all that, the mailing list is only as good as the people who contribute to it, which really is just two or three people on a consistent basis. Dave N. and Rich W. are keeping it fed almost single-handedly with their regular and consistently insightful & high-quality match reports. The more people who contribute to the list, the healthier it will be. I do see a few problems with the current Leedslist mailing list, one is the fact that it is text-based when time & tide have moved towards a more web-centric world (see below), another is the unknowing but very annoying habit of some posters to reply to (digest) posts including the entire contents of the (digest) posts they are replying to. There is little or nothing that the mailing list administrators [John Betty and myself] can do about that latter annoyance. It has turned a few people off the list but we don't want to go down the road of moderating all contributions etc. Remember, when the mailing list was first set up it was at a different-almost-pre-web time when many of us were not able to go to games, nor to look at them live on telly. The latter is pretty much no longer the case. There are many other e-forums for fans to contribute to than before too: Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, WACCOE-like forums, personal blogs etc. We live in an increasingly segmented world where we can consume our media in almost unique ways, this e-mailing list still being an almost-communal experience. We live in a much more "immediate" world than ever before too, which suits the WhatsApp model, while many of us are more reflective, which suits the e-mailing list model. However, for the list to survive, the quantity, but especially the quality, of the contributions must stay high, otherwise, we will continue to die very slowly. Who else is willing to man that gap of keeping the signal-to-noise ratio high? Let's be having ya, Kevin Lewis and your always-excellent musings, or anything else that comes into that weird and wonderful mind of yours, KofT! James. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
[LU] The healthy of this list - some musings!
The era of the pure e-mailing list is almost gone! I am still on a lot of old-style mailing lists so know better than many. The only one that is going as strong as ever is something called RISKS [ACM FORUM ON RISKS TO THE PUBLIC IN COMPUTERS AND RELATED SYSTEMS (comp.risks) - Peter G. Neumann, founder and still moderator]. This very excellent RISKS mailing list has been going since 1989 or 1990 and has its own very dedicated membership etc. We have been on the go since mid-June 1992, which means we are in our 30th year of continuous operation. This is a hugely impressive thing in and of itself. I have almost everything that has been posted on the list during that time, and everything from January 1993, when I first joined myself. At least half the people on this list have been on it for over 25 years or more. We are not unlike RISKS in many ways but it's how we deal with it, will decide whether we continue as we are or not. The new WhatsApp group is great - which I'm trying to archive too - but it should never replace this mailing list. Saying all that, the mailing list is only as good as the people who contribute to it, which really is just two or three people on a consistent basis. Dave N. and Rich W. are keeping it fed almost single-handedly with their regular and consistently insightful & high-quality match reports. The more people who contribute to the list, the healthier it will be. I do see a few problems with the current Leedslist mailing list, one is the fact that it is text-based when time & tide have moved towards a more web-centric world (see below), another is the unknowing but very annoying habit of some posters to reply to (digest) posts including the entire contents of the (digest) posts they are replying to. There is little or nothing that the mailing list administrators [John Betty and myself] can do about that latter annoyance. It has turned a few people off the list but we don't want to go down the road of moderating all contributions etc. Remember, when the mailing list was first set up it was at a different-almost-pre-web time when many of us were not able to go to games, nor to look at them live on telly. The latter is pretty much no longer the case. There are many other e-forums for fans to contribute to than before too: Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, WACCOE-like forums, personal blogs etc. We live in an increasingly segmented world where we can consume our media in almost unique ways, this e-mailing list still being an almost-communal experience. We live in a much more "immediate" world than ever before too, which suits the WhatsApp model, while many of us are more reflective, which suits the e-mailing list model. However, for the list to survive, the quantity, but especially the quality, of the contributions must stay high, otherwise, we will continue to die very slowly. Who else is willing to man that gap of keeping the signal-to-noise ratio high? Let's be having ya, Kevin Lewis and your always-excellent musings, or anything else that comes into that weird and wonderful mind of yours, KofT! James. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
