Re: [LU] Brum

[Robert Heath]

I was walking around Rome with family. I asked my son (who is never not
glancing at his phone) to keep me abreast of events. Updates
were...2-1 up...they've equalised...it's 3-2 now.
Then we got to the station for our train and I said "It should be over
now"...let me check...it's 4-4! What?! Is it all
over?errr, no it's about 5 mins into injury time - oh, we've
scored! It's 5-4! Great, who scored? Err..Harding. What?! Are you
sure it was us who scored? Errr...Harding own goal!

How do we stand it???!!!

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:09 AM Richard Naef <
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:

> I had to stop watching on pc just as brum scored  to make it  2-2 to pick
> up a rental van, switched to mobile and just saw Bill score as I went into
> the rental office, commiserate with arse fan behind the desk, turned it off
> to fill in paperwork, saw it was 4-4 as I got in van very pissed off.
> Didn't see the final result til I got to traffic light, but wasn't really
> 100% sure as I didn't have my reading glasses on. Happy days.
>
> Sent from my Mobile.
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Tim Whelan
> via Leedslist 
> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 11:31:10 PM
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Brum
>
> While the game was on I was travelling back from spending Christmas week
> with my mum, and once I was back I thought I might as well avoid the score
> until I saw the highlights on Quest. Can you just imagine intensity of
> having that roller-coaster condensed into a couple of minutes without
> knowing the result?
> I was sitting head in hands when the showed their very late equaliser to
> make it 4-4, thinking we'd thrown it away again, then...hang on, they're
> showing another Leeds attack...
> On Sunday, 29 December 2019, 17:13:28 GMT, nat...@sky.com <
> nat...@sky.com> wrote:
>
>  Still buzzing What a gameAll our faults on show - cant defend corners
> crosses or set pieces but also all our strengths,  resilience,  heart and
> spirit and the ability to,find a way Tremendous game for excitement
> Other results better then we could have hoped,  shock,defeat for west
> brom, Sheffield wed, Preston and to an extent Bristol
> Top of league at the end of the decade- according to a mate we have done
> that every decade since the 80s ?
> Dave
>
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Re: [LU] Brum

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

I watched on Facebook whilst trying to supervise 4 kids at Stockheld Park. As 
you can imagine my parenting skills were called into question.
It was a good game to watch but despite the brilliance of the result and the 
way we continued to break and look for goals I felt pretty pissed off for long 
periods of the game as our defence and midfield was totally over powered by an 
aggressive Brum team. It was good that we caught them cold in the first 20 mins 
because after that I thought they dominated and our midfield for the second 
time in a week were outplayed, outclassed and out fought. This led to our 
defence being on the back foot for long periods. We play Philips to give us 
that protection in front of the back four but when he plays against players 
with pace and creativity he’s left for dead. Anyone who thinks Philips is 
anything other than an average championship midfielder is not watching the 
games closely enough.
From what was the most solid defence in the league we’re now look very 
vulnerable especially against set pieces. However, if you think back we really 
haven’t defended set pieces well all season and have been lucky at times to 
concede more.
Our keeper was terrible yesterday- the way he came for their 3rd was non-league 
standard and what the hell he was doing for 2 of the other goals. You can’t 
plan for mistakes like that.
Ayling got all the headlines for his goal and attacking runs that won us the 
game but his defending and passing were woeful. 
So whilst it’s amazing to be top of the league at the end of the year and 9 
points clear of 3rd I think the next few games will define our season. Bielsa 
has work to do.



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On Monday, December 30, 2019, 9:08 am, Richard Naef 
 wrote:

I had to stop watching on pc just as brum scored  to make it  2-2 to pick up a 
rental van, switched to mobile and just saw Bill score as I went into the 
rental office, commiserate with arse fan behind the desk, turned it off to fill 
in paperwork, saw it was 4-4 as I got in van very pissed off.  Didn't see the 
final result til I got to traffic light, but wasn't really 100% sure as I 
didn't have my reading glasses on. Happy days.

Sent from my Mobile.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Tim Whelan via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 11:31:10 PM
To: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Brum

While the game was on I was travelling back from spending Christmas week with 
my mum, and once I was back I thought I might as well avoid the score until I 
saw the highlights on Quest. Can you just imagine intensity of having that 
roller-coaster condensed into a couple of minutes without knowing the result?
I was sitting head in hands when the showed their very late equaliser to make 
it 4-4, thinking we'd thrown it away again, then...hang on, they're showing 
another Leeds attack...
    On Sunday, 29 December 2019, 17:13:28 GMT, nat...@sky.com  
wrote:

 Still buzzing What a gameAll our faults on show - cant defend corners crosses 
or set pieces but also all our strengths,  resilience,  heart and spirit and 
the ability to,find a way Tremendous game for excitement
Other results better then we could have hoped,  shock,defeat for west brom, 
Sheffield wed, Preston and to an extent Bristol
Top of league at the end of the decade- according to a mate we have done that 
every decade since the 80s ?
Dave

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Re: [LU] Brum

[Richard Naef]

I had to stop watching on pc just as brum scored  to make it  2-2 to pick up a 
rental van, switched to mobile and just saw Bill score as I went into the 
rental office, commiserate with arse fan behind the desk, turned it off to fill 
in paperwork, saw it was 4-4 as I got in van very pissed off.  Didn't see the 
final result til I got to traffic light, but wasn't really 100% sure as I 
didn't have my reading glasses on. Happy days.

Sent from my Mobile.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Tim Whelan via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 11:31:10 PM
To: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Brum

While the game was on I was travelling back from spending Christmas week with 
my mum, and once I was back I thought I might as well avoid the score until I 
saw the highlights on Quest. Can you just imagine intensity of having that 
roller-coaster condensed into a couple of minutes without knowing the result?
I was sitting head in hands when the showed their very late equaliser to make 
it 4-4, thinking we'd thrown it away again, then...hang on, they're showing 
another Leeds attack...
On Sunday, 29 December 2019, 17:13:28 GMT, nat...@sky.com  
wrote:

 Still buzzing What a gameAll our faults on show - cant defend corners crosses 
or set pieces but also all our strengths,  resilience,  heart and spirit and 
the ability to,find a way Tremendous game for excitement
Other results better then we could have hoped,  shock,defeat for west brom, 
Sheffield wed, Preston and to an extent Bristol
Top of league at the end of the decade- according to a mate we have done that 
every decade since the 80s ?
Dave

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Re: [LU] Brum

[Tim Whelan via Leedslist]

 While the game was on I was travelling back from spending Christmas week with 
my mum, and once I was back I thought I might as well avoid the score until I 
saw the highlights on Quest. Can you just imagine intensity of having that 
roller-coaster condensed into a couple of minutes without knowing the result? 
I was sitting head in hands when the showed their very late equaliser to make 
it 4-4, thinking we'd thrown it away again, then...hang on, they're showing 
another Leeds attack...
On Sunday, 29 December 2019, 17:13:28 GMT, nat...@sky.com  
wrote:  
 
 Still buzzing What a gameAll our faults on show - cant defend corners crosses 
or set pieces but also all our strengths,  resilience,  heart and spirit and 
the ability to,find a way Tremendous game for excitement 
Other results better then we could have hoped,  shock,defeat for west brom, 
Sheffield wed, Preston and to an extent Bristol 
Top of league at the end of the decade- according to a mate we have done that 
every decade since the 80s ?
Dave

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Re: [LU] Brum

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 The only thing I'd disagree with is that I think Brum did offer a fair bit in 
the second half and it was very worrying to see the confidence just drain away 
from us to the point where they took complete control and we were reduced to 
playing on the break. I think they had one or two decent players who once they 
go the belief an us ragged. 
I think first half we had all the possession about 80 corners but didn't create 
much which is becoming a familar story. 
On Sunday, 20 October 2019, 12:18:19 BST, nat...@sky.com  
wrote:  
 
 Well after my sojourn to Old Tafford for the rugby last week, very weird 
singing "come on you reds" or even worse the Salford version of Anarchy in the 
Uk with the line" I wanna destroy Wigan and Leeds" , albiet I did do the Leeds 
salute at the Leeds line, It was back to my spiritual home of Elland Road where 
I have been visiing every fortnight for 45 of its 100year history.
 I gave the celebrations a miss, I prefer to remembr my idols and heroes as fit 
young men (oo er missus) running down the wing, crunching into tackles etc 
rather than as bald,, fat shuffling old fellows (no offence) and was more 
interested in the present and would it affect todays today's performance rather 
than wallowing in the past.         
 General Haigh, as the only non Bielsa fan in our group calls him, did what 
Haigh always did and stuck with the same team and same plan (we did point out 
that Haigh did win the war but his retort about how long and how many lifes 
etc, kind of derailed the football talk.      
 We started brightly enough with a rasping shot by Alioski bringing about a 
good save. Then we had 3 chances in 1 but no goal to show for it. A lovely ball 
over the top fell to Bamford in the box but instead of shooting he did a lovely 
back heel to Costa whose shot was blocked and came back to Dallas who played a 
neat one two with Klich and then fired a shot right at the keeper, good 
football but nothing to show for it. When the moans / excitement had died down 
a bit  a lad near me made the observation "That is why Bamford will never be a  
top goal scorer , can you imagine Clarke, Chapman or Beckford passing in that 
position?" and it is true the real out and out scorers have always been greedy 
and a bit lazy generally. Bamford on the other hand was working so hard on and 
off the ball that my mate (correctly) surmised, he is only going to play half a 
game.           
We contined to domnate but create few real chances and converted none. We did 
look mainly secure at the back with the much maligned Berardi alongside the 
immaculate White, with some help from Kiko keeping out the Birmingham long 
throws and set pieces. Somewhat unbelievably we have the best defensive record 
in the Division.     
 So half time came and all the old worries about domination with nothing to 
show started to affect the crowd, would this be another home game where we 
control the game but throw away the points?  eddie came on at half time but did 
little of real note though he did win a free kick that was given literally 
inches outside the box, the referees spray touching the penatly area marking.   
 
We lost our way a bit in the second half and nerves were starting to show when 
Harrison, who had a good game, nipped in and stole the ball and then for the 
3rd game in a row set up his teammate for the goal. This time it was Kalvin 
whose shot was pretty much at the keeper but had enough power to go through him 
and into the net. Maybe fitting that a Leeds lad got the goal in the 100th 
birthday game.     
 They offered little in reply but we were looking a bit ragged and Bielsa went 
ful General Haigh and did his now usual move of bringing on Douglas and moving 
Alioski further foward to shore things up. This time thankfully it did just 
about work and alioski should have perhaps created a second goal instead of 
blasting high and wide from a yard out but from an impossible angle rather than 
pulling it back for Eddie.. Anyway in the end despite last minute wobbles and 
them missing a glorious chance when they put a free header over the bar it was 
another 3 points and another clean sheet. Beating a team who did the double 
over us last season 
 2 hard away games coming up but Pablo is almost back (30mins for under 23s on 
Friday) and Costa did look decent in short spells. Lack of goals still the big 
probelm but onwards and upwards for another 100 years !    
 Dave
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Re: [LU] Brum

[Richard Naef]

As someone once said, football is played on grass not paper and stats on give a 
1 dimensional view.  BUT same team, same ground on Tuesday and we got away with 
Preston's early chances, on Satdi we didn't.  The glaring issue is that we have 
to start games like we finish them - I trust that is at the forefront of el 
Loco's mind at them moment and we'll see something different in the forthcoming 
matches

I think we'll need Forshaw if he's fit on Friday, in for Alioski should have a 
break and maybe Klitch playing slightly wider instead?

ttfn

Richard

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We can complain about the game….but do take a look at the stats:

[cid:E09A9AF6-F35D-4848-9EBF-B206319E103F]

We’ll win an order of magnitude of games more that way than we’ll lose.

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Re: [LU] Brum

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Apart from Dallas's half decent shot Late on I don't remember their keeper 
having to make a decent save in 98 minutes of football so you can forget the 
stats as far as I'm concerned.


> On 24 Sep 2018, at 00:06, Michael Gardiner  
> wrote:
> 
> We can complain about the game….but do take a look at the stats:
> 
> [cid:E09A9AF6-F35D-4848-9EBF-B206319E103F]
> 
> We’ll win an order of magnitude of games more that way than we’ll lose.
> 
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[Michael Gardiner]

We can complain about the game….but do take a look at the stats:

[cid:E09A9AF6-F35D-4848-9EBF-B206319E103F]

We’ll win an order of magnitude of games more that way than we’ll lose.

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Re: [LU] Brum

[Nick]

he did win a couple - but the knock downs went nowhere - I tell you who did win 
f*ck all in the air yesterday, Pontus against the 9 or 10 - he was truly 
bullied out defending properly in the air - they were big, awkward and physical 
just the kind of forwards both Cooper and Jansson are supposed to be ideally 
suited for…second best all game…and then when you think where both goals were 
scored from, isn’t that exactly where Phillips was supposed to be…small wonder 
he came off.

Yup - we miss Pablo alright - Saiz misses Pablo, because when both are on, the 
other team has two headaches, with Pablo absent they can just concentrate on 
Saiz

There was 11 minutes added time all told - that’s a lot of ‘injuries’.

I don’t think we can complain much about yesterday, they came and did a job and 
we were mugged; neither can we complain about the season so far, we deserve to 
be where we are; 9 games in, its a better record than anyone else and against 
some of the toughest teams in the league. We need to push on, we need to find 
answers to questions about teams defending deep and with some discipline. But 
in the end, we have more that will cause other teams to have headaches…lets 
play to our strengths.

 

> On 23 Sep 2018, at 08:46, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've just remembered, Ryan Edmonson came on and this might be harsh given its 
> his debut and he was coming on to chase the game but I wouldn't expect too 
> much from this lad. Not sure he touched the ball but he looked slow and 
> didn't win anything in the air. Think John Pearson
> 

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[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

I've just remembered, Ryan Edmonson came on and this might be harsh given its 
his debut and he was coming on to chase the game but I wouldn't expect too much 
from this lad. Not sure he touched the ball but he looked slow and didn't win 
anything in the air. Think John Pearson



> On 23 Sep 2018, at 08:24, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Brum

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Had too much beer pre-match to do a comprehensive and accurate report but my 
overriding thought from the North East Upper was Brum were big, strong and 
highly organised with a couple of lively players up front. Just about 
everything you would expect from a Gary Monk team. Coupled with the fact I 
thought everyone of our players had a poor game so much so that I'd give our 
MOTM to Dallas who came on late and actually made their keeper do something in 
8 minutes of injury time (was it really or was that the beer ?).

It comes back to the lone striker up front problem at home and when you're 
playing with Philips as a mopping up 3rd central defender then it makes sense 
that if you're gonna struggle. Roberts who was tidy with possession never 
looked like scoring because he rarely got into the box.

I don't think that team yesterday is good enough for promotion and if you look 
at the results since we lost Pablo it's mid table form and that's where I 
expect us to end up without a decent striker and Pablo.

Disappointing.



> On 22 Sep 2018, at 18:23, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> Hopefully this isn’t the wheels coming off like last year.
> Thought the game started very similar to Tuesday with Brum pressing and us 
> struggling to get going.
> Difference today was we gifted them two soft goals, BPF at fault for both for 
> me, and they had something to hold on to and could have scored again.
> Frustrating because a win would have put us three clear at the top.
> Seen a lot of moaning about their gamesmanship and the ref but neither of 
> them forced us into giving away soft goals or not having a shot on target in 
> the first half.
> I’m not ready to chuck it all in yet - I’m seeing this as a blip not as a 
> major collapse 
> 
> S
> 
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>> On 22 Sep 2018, at 17:29, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We’ve been Gary Monked - were kidding ourselves if we think that team is 
>> good enough 
>> 
>> On bus back into Leeds / going to drown my sorrows. Down to earth with a bump
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Re: [LU] Brum

[Simon McNally]

Hopefully this isn’t the wheels coming off like last year.
Thought the game started very similar to Tuesday with Brum pressing and us 
struggling to get going.
Difference today was we gifted them two soft goals, BPF at fault for both for 
me, and they had something to hold on to and could have scored again.
Frustrating because a win would have put us three clear at the top.
Seen a lot of moaning about their gamesmanship and the ref but neither of them 
forced us into giving away soft goals or not having a shot on target in the 
first half.
I’m not ready to chuck it all in yet - I’m seeing this as a blip not as a major 
collapse 

S

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> 
> We’ve been Gary Monked - were kidding ourselves if we think that team is good 
> enough 
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Re: [LU] Brum

[Simon McNally]

Games like this are so frustrating- I want to see us coming out strong and 
attacking teams like Brum.
They’re bottom, struggling for a win so instead we stand off and let them 
control the game. 
Perhaps we genuinely lack the calibre of player to dominate a game like this 
and hopefully we’ll sign one in January.
Have never understood the Roofe love in on RL. He’s scored more goals than I 
though he would and to be fair to him he looks composed one on one but like 
Rich says he’s just not strong enough to play up front on his own. Would like 
to see him up top with Lasogga.

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> On 30 Dec 2017, at 19:12, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
> <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
> Scores from me after a few wines and consideration:
> Wieldwald - 4. Could have done better for the goal and I'm fed up with him 
> throwing out to our full backs and immediately putting them under pressure. 
> This tactic does not work. 
> Ayling - 5. The player who has lost confidence and form more than any other.
> Beradi - 5. Not a left back, captain 
> Jansson - 9. Our best player by a mile. He must be gutted.
> Cooper - 4. Had one of those performances that we know he is always likely to 
> have. A complete liability.
> Shaughnessy - 1. I counted one defensive header and one decent bit of control 
> and square ball as his only contribution to the game which seemed to go on 
> around him but he seemed incapable of getting to grips. Definitely the 
> biggest blunder of his Leeds management for me for TC on this selection. The 
> guy is no way a midfielder.
> Philips - 4. Well he wasn't the worst midfielder on show today which makes a 
> change but despite trying to get forward he failed again in midfield. Just 
> not good enough. 
> Cibiki - 0.5 He contributed less than Shaughnessy and when you've got 2 
> players in midfield who are doing less and looking less ineffective than 
> Philips you've got a serious problem. He strolls around with his ponytail and 
> his clinique cream on - an absolute impostor. Get rid. 
> Hernandez - 5. Tried to make this happens but was playing with 3 leg irons. 
> Roofe - 2. He got the ball 6 times and everytime he either slipped and gave 
> it away of was muscled off the ball. He managed one half decent cross but 
> showed that he can't play as the lone striker. 
> Allioski - 2, No control , no nothing. He only looks decent when Siaz is on 
> the pitch and is feeding him.
> Subs:
> Siaz - 7, Made things happen but not enough unfortunately.
> Lasogga - too late 
> Klitch - did nowt
> TC - shocking tactics. I am not convinced at all. I think if he'd played a 
> midfield of Siaz, Hernandez, Anita and Allioski with Lasogga and Roofe up 
> front and really gone for this we would have won it.  
> 
> 
> 
>  From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
> <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
> To: Mark <wiscole...@hotmail.com>; "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>; Leeds 
> List <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
> Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 17:14
> Subject: Re: [LU] Brum
> 
> Im just waiting for all the tweets from the Leeds players ' we'll stick 
> together and go again on MOnday' - fuck off you wasters. 
> 
>   From: Mark <wiscole...@hotmail.com>
> To: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>; Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>; 
> Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> 
> Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 17:12
> Subject: Re: [LU] Brum
>   
> Fucking embarrassing
> 
> Mark
> El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
> Leeds United
> Chicago Fire
> From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of {broken-address} 
> Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:07:43 AM
> To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List
> Subject: Re: [LU] Brum going for a 0-0 draw against bottom of the league Dave 
> ? What's that all about ? 
> Pathetic , negative tactics from our manager.
> 
>   From: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>
>  To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
>  Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 16:57
>  Subject: [LU] Brum
>
> That is the problem with going for a 0 0 - always one second away from losing
> We can put it all (well most of it) right by beating Forest on Monday but it 
> was a bad day at the office
> 
> We all know we are not good enough to win 5,6,7 on the trot but it is bad 
> losing to a team with as poor a recent record as Birmingham - bad team 
> selection and bad play from individuals leads to a bad team performance and 
> result
> We now must beat Forest and then it is over t

Re: [LU] Brum

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Scores from me after a few wines and consideration:
Wieldwald - 4. Could have done better for the goal and I'm fed up with him 
throwing out to our full backs and immediately putting them under pressure. 
This tactic does not work. 
Ayling - 5. The player who has lost confidence and form more than any other.
Beradi - 5. Not a left back, captain 
Jansson - 9. Our best player by a mile. He must be gutted.
Cooper - 4. Had one of those performances that we know he is always likely to 
have. A complete liability.
Shaughnessy - 1. I counted one defensive header and one decent bit of control 
and square ball as his only contribution to the game which seemed to go on 
around him but he seemed incapable of getting to grips. Definitely the biggest 
blunder of his Leeds management for me for TC on this selection. The guy is no 
way a midfielder.
Philips - 4. Well he wasn't the worst midfielder on show today which makes a 
change but despite trying to get forward he failed again in midfield. Just not 
good enough. 
Cibiki - 0.5 He contributed less than Shaughnessy and when you've got 2 players 
in midfield who are doing less and looking less ineffective than Philips you've 
got a serious problem. He strolls around with his ponytail and his clinique 
cream on - an absolute impostor. Get rid. 
Hernandez - 5. Tried to make this happens but was playing with 3 leg irons. 
Roofe - 2. He got the ball 6 times and everytime he either slipped and gave it 
away of was muscled off the ball. He managed one half decent cross but showed 
that he can't play as the lone striker. 
Allioski - 2, No control , no nothing. He only looks decent when Siaz is on the 
pitch and is feeding him.
Subs:
Siaz - 7, Made things happen but not enough unfortunately.
Lasogga - too late 
Klitch - did nowt
TC - shocking tactics. I am not convinced at all. I think if he'd played a 
midfield of Siaz, Hernandez, Anita and Allioski with Lasogga and Roofe up front 
and really gone for this we would have won it.  



  From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
<richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
 To: Mark <wiscole...@hotmail.com>; "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>; Leeds 
List <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 17:14
 Subject: Re: [LU] Brum
   
Im just waiting for all the tweets from the Leeds players ' we'll stick 
together and go again on MOnday' - fuck off you wasters. 

      From: Mark <wiscole...@hotmail.com>
 To: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>; Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>; 
Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> 
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 17:12
 Subject: Re: [LU] Brum
  
Fucking embarrassing

Mark
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
Leeds United
Chicago Fire
From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of {broken-address} 
Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:07:43 AM
To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Brum going for a 0-0 draw against bottom of the league Dave ? 
What's that all about ? 
Pathetic , negative tactics from our manager.

  From: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>
 To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 16:57
 Subject: [LU] Brum
   
That is the problem with going for a 0 0 - always one second away from losing
We can put it all (well most of it) right by beating Forest on Monday but it 
was a bad day at the office

We all know we are not good enough to win 5,6,7 on the trot but it is bad 
losing to a team with as poor a recent record as Birmingham - bad team 
selection and bad play from individuals leads to a bad team performance and 
result
We now must beat Forest and then it is over to Orta etc to bring in the bit of 
quality that we lack
Dave
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Re: [LU] Brum

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Im just waiting for all the tweets from the Leeds players ' we'll stick 
together and go again on MOnday' - fuck off you wasters. 

  From: Mark <wiscole...@hotmail.com>
 To: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>; Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>; 
Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> 
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 17:12
 Subject: Re: [LU] Brum
   
Fucking embarrassing

Mark
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
Leeds United
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From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of {broken-address} 
Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:07:43 AM
To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Brum going for a 0-0 draw against bottom of the league Dave ? 
What's that all about ? 
Pathetic , negative tactics from our manager.

  From: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>
 To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 16:57
 Subject: [LU] Brum
   
That is the problem with going for a 0 0 - always one second away from losing
We can put it all (well most of it) right by beating Forest on Monday but it 
was a bad day at the office

We all know we are not good enough to win 5,6,7 on the trot but it is bad 
losing to a team with as poor a recent record as Birmingham - bad team 
selection and bad play from individuals leads to a bad team performance and 
result
We now must beat Forest and then it is over to Orta etc to bring in the bit of 
quality that we lack
Dave
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[Mark]

Fucking embarrassing

Mark
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
Leeds United
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From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of {broken-address} 
Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:07:43 AM
To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Brum

going for a 0-0 draw against bottom of the league Dave ? What's that all about ?
Pathetic , negative tactics from our manager.

  From: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>
 To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 16:57
 Subject: [LU] Brum

That is the problem with going for a 0 0 - always one second away from losing
We can put it all (well most of it) right by beating Forest on Monday but it 
was a bad day at the office

We all know we are not good enough to win 5,6,7 on the trot but it is bad 
losing to a team with as poor a recent record as Birmingham - bad team 
selection and bad play from individuals leads to a bad team performance and 
result
We now must beat Forest and then it is over to Orta etc to bring in the bit of 
quality that we lack
Dave
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Re: [LU] Brum

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

going for a 0-0 draw against bottom of the league Dave ? What's that all about 
? 
Pathetic , negative tactics from our manager.

  From: "nat...@sky.com" 
 To: Leeds List  
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 16:57
 Subject: [LU] Brum
   
That is the problem with going for a 0 0 - always one second away from losing
We can put it all (well most of it) right by beating Forest on Monday but it 
was a bad day at the office 

We all know we are not good enough to win 5,6,7 on the trot but it is bad 
losing to a team with as poor a recent record as Birmingham - bad team 
selection and bad play from individuals leads to a bad team performance and 
result
We now must beat Forest and then it is over to Orta etc to bring in the bit of 
quality that we lack
Dave
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Re: [LU] Brum

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 Having just seen the highlights things to comment:
- Saiz attempted Rabona shot. What a guy!- Brilliant pass by Hernandez through 
his own legs.- We seemed to be closing down spaces all over the place. With 
Monk despite the defensive set-up we always seemed to be a bit last-ditch 
tackle which put a lot of pressure on the defence.
Nick 
On Wednesday, September 13, 2017, 7:10:54 AM EDT, Nigel Sykes 
 wrote:  
 
 Nice report & I agree with it all.  The main feature last night was just the 
lack of 'sparkle' in us, which  meant we were half a yard off the previous 
pace, and many of the first-touch passes just didn't come off.  In particular, 
it made Saiz looked like one of those players who tries to be clever all the 
time, to no real effect, when previously he's looked awesome.  All of which 
allowed a busy Brum team to get into the game.  Our defence (especially Pontus) 
were great, and we never really looked in much danger of losing, but a draw was 
certainly a possibility.  I thought Alioski looked the most lacklustre, which 
is odd, given that he'd had a rest on Saturday.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
nat...@sky.com
Sent: 13 September 2017 11:02
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Brum

"we are top the league, say we are top the league" - repeat and repeat Hard to 
believe but we are indeed top of the league with a very impressive 17 pts from 
7 games and a brilliant goal difference of 12 - with just two conceeded.
Ok last night was not Burton re-visited but i felt overall we deserved the 3 
points in a hard fought game that ebbed and flowed in terms of possession, 
terrority and chances.
We started very well, pretty much where we left off at Burton - really getting 
at them, disturbing their rythmn and forcing them into errors. When we had the 
ball we passed and moved it pulling them all over and creating gaps. It was a 
joy to watch again, and it was no surprise when we scored - already forcing one 
save and one goal line clearance from them. The goal whilst not a classic did 
have a lot going for it - a lovely long ball over the top (from O'Kane ?) led 
to Lasogga and the defender chasing it , Lasogga used his strength and power to 
win the ball and then he hit it from a tight angle - he shoots as hard as 
anyone we have had since Yeboah- and the keeper could only parry it. Saiz 
showed both bravery and awareness following it in and beating both two 
defenders and the keeper to force it over the line. it brought to mind the time 
i lost it with Kilkenny at Tranmere away when he bottled it in similar 
conditions. This showed that Saiz is more than just the maestro.
After the goal we tried to continue giving an exhibition but we looked 
complacent and were over-doing it. You need to earn the right to play like that 
and we had not done it. So from being brilliant we began to be sloppy and let 
them get a foothold in the game. We nearly paid for our slackness when the 
keeper came for  a ball in a bit of a mix up and the Birmingham forward beat 
him to it and the header looped over Wiedwald and towards the goal. However we 
do not like conceeding goals and so Luke Ayling popped up out of nowhere with a 
tremendous goal saving clearance So we just about went in at half time one up 
and just about deserved it. 

We hoped to come out second half pumped up but failed to do so and the game was 
pretty even for the next 30 minutes - we even saw Wiedwald make a save ! At the 
other end Lasogga and Saiz both came close.  On the hour the largely 
disappointing Alioski was taken off and replaced by Roofe who was unlucky not 
to start. Roofe did add an edge of quality and commitment but by this time we 
were starting to look leggy and tired. Lasogga especially looked ready to drop. 
This allowed Brum to take a bit of control without ever really threatening as 
Pontus just headed away anything in the air Our rthymn and choices for 
substituions were further hampered as Cooper started limping and had to be 
subbed. Beradi coming on and Ayling being moved to centre half.  We continued 
to look solid at the back but most fans were nervously watching the clock and 
hoping for it to speed up Then horror of horrors, somehow the referee found 5 
minutes of time to be added on. A worrying gasp went round the crowd, could
  we last out ? We even got a break and took it into the corner to waste time - 
a sure sign of the team wanting the final  whistle. 

Then just as we worried a bit Lasogga got the ball just over the half way line 
and as he passed it forward to Dallas (on as a late sub for Hernandez) he was 
fouled - great this would see out a few more seconds we thought, but no, the 
ref decided to wave play on (rubbish decision we all thought in the 
circumstances) as Dallas ran forward with the ball then cut inside and hit a 
shot just inside the near post - 2 0 and only a minute to go . Another win, 

Re: [LU] Brum

[Ian Murray]

500! Ha - what a joke.

Thing about Redknapp is he's never done anything of real note and what he has 
achieved has been either through a very lucky glut of really good young players 
or by spending an unreasonable amount of cash.





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 Original message 
From: nat...@sky.com
Date: 13/09/2017 20:27 (GMT+08:00)
To: Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>, Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Subject: Re: [LU] Brum

Redknapp quote from Birmingham Mail
That was the first time I really felt I have seen a football team since I have 
been at Birmingham,” he said.“No disrespect, I felt tonight you saw a team 
tonight that had come to Leeds, good team, big crowd and really dominated the 
game.“The second half was complete and utter domination, we just couldn’t get 
the break we needed.”
Clearly a manager who is trying to deflect from the fact they lost again ! Very 
much in the Colin mould is Harry- never his fault and with only 500 Brum fans 
to tell anyone differently he may fool them for a bit longer
dave

  From: Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>
 To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>; "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, 13 September 2017, 12:09
 Subject: Re: [LU] Brum

 I didn't hear Rednapp's comments but if he said that he's delusional and 
obviously a manager under pressure.  They had 2 or 3 decent players with Jota 
being the man of the match however he should have been, he cost over 6 million.
On Wednesday, 13 September 2017, 11:30:51 BST, nat...@sky.com 
<nat...@sky.com> wrote:

 "we are top the league, say we are top the league" - repeat and repeat 

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[nat...@sky.com]

Redknapp quote from Birmingham Mail
That was the first time I really felt I have seen a football team since I have 
been at Birmingham,” he said.“No disrespect, I felt tonight you saw a team 
tonight that had come to Leeds, good team, big crowd and really dominated the 
game.“The second half was complete and utter domination, we just couldn’t get 
the break we needed.”
Clearly a manager who is trying to deflect from the fact they lost again ! Very 
much in the Colin mould is Harry- never his fault and with only 500 Brum fans 
to tell anyone differently he may fool them for a bit longer
dave

  From: Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>
 To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>; "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> 
 Sent: Wednesday, 13 September 2017, 12:09
 Subject: Re: [LU] Brum
   
 I didn't hear Rednapp's comments but if he said that he's delusional and 
obviously a manager under pressure.  They had 2 or 3 decent players with Jota 
being the man of the match however he should have been, he cost over 6 million. 
On Wednesday, 13 September 2017, 11:30:51 BST, nat...@sky.com 
<nat...@sky.com> wrote:  
 
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Re: [LU] Brum

[Nigel Sykes]

Nice report & I agree with it all.  The main feature last night was just the 
lack of 'sparkle' in us, which  meant we were half a yard off the previous 
pace, and many of the first-touch passes just didn't come off.  In particular, 
it made Saiz looked like one of those players who tries to be clever all the 
time, to no real effect, when previously he's looked awesome.  All of which 
allowed a busy Brum team to get into the game.  Our defence (especially Pontus) 
were great, and we never really looked in much danger of losing, but a draw was 
certainly a possibility.  I thought Alioski looked the most lacklustre, which 
is odd, given that he'd had a rest on Saturday.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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"we are top the league, say we are top the league" - repeat and repeat Hard to 
believe but we are indeed top of the league with a very impressive 17 pts from 
7 games and a brilliant goal difference of 12 - with just two conceeded.
Ok last night was not Burton re-visited but i felt overall we deserved the 3 
points in a hard fought game that ebbed and flowed in terms of possession, 
terrority and chances.
We started very well, pretty much where we left off at Burton - really getting 
at them, disturbing their rythmn and forcing them into errors. When we had the 
ball we passed and moved it pulling them all over and creating gaps. It was a 
joy to watch again, and it was no surprise when we scored - already forcing one 
save and one goal line clearance from them. The goal whilst not a classic did 
have a lot going for it - a lovely long ball over the top (from O'Kane ?) led 
to Lasogga and the defender chasing it , Lasogga used his strength and power to 
win the ball and then he hit it from a tight angle - he shoots as hard as 
anyone we have had since Yeboah- and the keeper could only parry it. Saiz 
showed both bravery and awareness following it in and beating both two 
defenders and the keeper to force it over the line. it brought to mind the time 
i lost it with Kilkenny at Tranmere away when he bottled it in similar 
conditions. This showed that Saiz is more than just the maestro.
After the goal we tried to continue giving an exhibition but we looked 
complacent and were over-doing it. You need to earn the right to play like that 
and we had not done it. So from being brilliant we began to be sloppy and let 
them get a foothold in the game. We nearly paid for our slackness when the 
keeper came for  a ball in a bit of a mix up and the Birmingham forward beat 
him to it and the header looped over Wiedwald and towards the goal. However we 
do not like conceeding goals and so Luke Ayling popped up out of nowhere with a 
tremendous goal saving clearance So we just about went in at half time one up 
and just about deserved it. 

We hoped to come out second half pumped up but failed to do so and the game was 
pretty even for the next 30 minutes - we even saw Wiedwald make a save ! At the 
other end Lasogga and Saiz both came close.  On the hour the largely 
disappointing Alioski was taken off and replaced by Roofe who was unlucky not 
to start. Roofe did add an edge of quality and commitment but by this time we 
were starting to look leggy and tired. Lasogga especially looked ready to drop. 
This allowed Brum to take a bit of control without ever really threatening as 
Pontus just headed away anything in the air Our rthymn and choices for 
substituions were further hampered as Cooper started limping and had to be 
subbed. Beradi coming on and Ayling being moved to centre half.  We continued 
to look solid at the back but most fans were nervously watching the clock and 
hoping for it to speed up Then horror of horrors, somehow the referee found 5 
minutes of time to be added on. A worrying gasp went round the crowd, could
  we last out ? We even got a break and took it into the corner to waste time - 
a sure sign of the team wanting the final  whistle. 

Then just as we worried a bit Lasogga got the ball just over the half way line 
and as he passed it forward to Dallas (on as a late sub for Hernandez) he was 
fouled - great this would see out a few more seconds we thought, but no, the 
ref decided to wave play on (rubbish decision we all thought in the 
circumstances) as Dallas ran forward with the ball then cut inside and hit a 
shot just inside the near post - 2 0 and only a minute to go . Another win, 
another clean sheet and "we are top the league"
So not a classic performance after the first 30minutes and whilst I disagree 
big time with Redknapp and his "complete and utter domination" comments I do 
think they slightly shaded the second half without ever really looking like 
scoring. I think had it stayed at 1 0 we would have gone 'yeah, fair result'
So the 6 points that we wanted from the two home games and our solid defending 
goes on.

Re: [LU] Brum

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 I didn't hear Rednapp's comments but if he said that he's delusional and 
obviously a manager under pressure.  They had 2 or 3 decent players with Jota 
being the man of the match however he should have been, he cost over 6 million. 
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Re: [LU] Brum

[{broken-address}]

Ta for the report Dave. I think it's a positive that we had to really work for 
it last night,
 - maybe some of the complacency from players and fans might be reassessed? 
Also, 4 of the teams we've beaten are in the bottom 6, so the Forest/Brum games 
are more useful in terms of a marker for where we are. Still, the table doesn't 
lie, and we're top of the pile! Lasogga does really twat it I agree, and at 
this point gets it on target - if he can do this for 20 plus matches he will 
become a Leeds legend. 

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> On 13 Sep 2017, at 11:02, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> "we are top the league, say we are top the league" - repeat and repeat 
> Hard to believe but we are indeed top of the league with a very impressive 17 
> pts from 7 games and a brilliant goal difference of 12 - with just two 
> conceeded.
> Ok last night was not Burton re-visited but i felt overall we deserved the 3 
> points in a hard fought game that ebbed and flowed in terms of possession, 
> terrority and chances.
> We started very well, pretty much where we left off at Burton - really 
> getting at them, disturbing their rythmn and forcing them into errors. When 
> we had the ball we passed and moved it pulling them all over and creating 
> gaps. It was a joy to watch again, and it was no surprise when we scored - 
> already forcing one save and one goal line clearance from them. The goal 
> whilst not a classic did have a lot going for it - a lovely long ball over 
> the top (from O'Kane ?) led to Lasogga and the defender chasing it , Lasogga 
> used his strength and power to win the ball and then he hit it from a tight 
> angle - he shoots as hard as anyone we have had since Yeboah- and the keeper 
> could only parry it. Saiz showed both bravery and awareness following it in 
> and beating both two defenders and the keeper to force it over the line. it 
> brought to mind the time i lost it with Kilkenny at Tranmere away when he 
> bottled it in similar conditions. This showed that Saiz is more than just the 
> maestro.
> After the goal we tried to continue giving an exhibition but we looked 
> complacent and were over-doing it. You need to earn the right to play like 
> that and we had not done it. So from being brilliant we began to be sloppy 
> and let them get a foothold in the game. We nearly paid for our slackness 
> when the keeper came for  a ball in a bit of a mix up and the Birmingham 
> forward beat him to it and the header looped over Wiedwald and towards the 
> goal. However we do not like conceeding goals and so Luke Ayling popped up 
> out of nowhere with a tremendous goal saving clearance
> So we just about went in at half time one up and just about deserved it. 
> 
> We hoped to come out second half pumped up but failed to do so and the game 
> was pretty even for the next 30 minutes - we even saw Wiedwald make a save ! 
> At the other end Lasogga and Saiz both came close.  On the hour the largely 
> disappointing Alioski was taken off and replaced by Roofe who was unlucky not 
> to start. Roofe did add an edge of quality and commitment but by this time we 
> were starting to look leggy and tired. Lasogga especially looked ready to 
> drop. This allowed Brum to take a bit of control without ever really 
> threatening as Pontus just headed away anything in the air
> Our rthymn and choices for substituions were further hampered as Cooper 
> started limping and had to be subbed. Beradi coming on and Ayling being moved 
> to centre half.  We continued to look solid at the back but most fans were 
> nervously watching the clock and hoping for it to speed up
> Then horror of horrors, somehow the referee found 5 minutes of time to be 
> added on. A worrying gasp went round the crowd, could we last out ? We even 
> got a break and took it into the corner to waste time - a sure sign of the 
> team wanting the final  whistle. 
> 
> Then just as we worried a bit Lasogga got the ball just over the half way 
> line and as he passed it forward to Dallas (on as a late sub for Hernandez) 
> he was fouled - great this would see out a few more seconds we thought, but 
> no, the ref decided to wave play on (rubbish decision we all thought in the 
> circumstances) as Dallas ran forward with the ball then cut inside and hit a 
> shot just inside the near post - 2 0 and only a minute to go . Another win, 
> another clean sheet and "we are top the league"
> So not a classic performance after the first 30minutes and whilst I disagree 
> big time with Redknapp and his "complete and utter domination" comments I do 
> think they slightly shaded the second half without ever really looking like 
> scoring. I think had it stayed at 1 0 we would have gone 'yeah, fair result'
> So the 6 points that we wanted from the two home games and our solid 
> defending goes on.
> Can we keep it up ? Millwall on paper is another three points we should get, 
> but football does not always work out like that. We do seem to have it 

Re: [LU] Brum

[Richard walker]

Well we can't get any worse so maybe you're right.


> On 5 Oct 2015, at 18:56, Einar Solheim  wrote:
> 
> sooo harsh…
> I think we are just about to turn the corner.  
> 
> 
>> On 4. okt. 2015, at 10:58, Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
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Re: [LU] Brum

[Parish, Steve C]

Yep, and into another cul-de-sac!!

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sooo harsh…
I think we are just about to turn the corner.  


> On 4. okt. 2015, at 10:58, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

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Re: [LU] Brum

[Dr Michael Benjamin]

Over a cliff

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On 5 October 2015 at 23:14, Parish, Steve C <steve.par...@ccfe.ac.uk> wrote:

> Yep, and into another cul-de-sac!!
>
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Einar Solheim
> Sent: 05 October 2015 18:57
> To: leedslist
> Subject: Re: [LU] Brum
>
> sooo harsh…
> I think we are just about to turn the corner.
>
>
> > On 4. okt. 2015, at 10:58, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
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Re: [LU] Brum

[Richard Walker]

Completely agree with everything Dave has said but would actually emphasise how 
bad this was and how concerned I am with (a) progress under Rosler so far (b) 
the quality of the players that are being brought in (c) the reliance on 
players who have already proved they are not good enough. 
Rosler wants to play 4-3-3 but actually in a game like yesterday, where Brum 
sat back and watched us painfully try to mount attacks, it's 4-5-1 because 
neither 'winger' is able to get down the wing and ends up getting the ball and 
losing it or just playing back inside or back to Beradi or Taylor. Eventually 
one of the defenders will smash it forward to Woods who invariably doesn't even 
jump for the ball or the ball is placed into touch. It's clueless football , 
played by clueless footballers, directed by what appears to be a clueless 
manager. I was sat in the West Stand yesterday just behind Rosler and he didn't 
have a clue what was going on. Head in hands, looking down at the pitch. He got 
plenty advice from me (a few pints in the Adelphi turned me into Don Revie).
I don't think we have any decent central midfielders at the club. Someone in 
this league that can put the foot on the ball and make things happen. I think 
Cook is a good prospect playing with experience around him. Currently he's 
trying to do it all on his own and is just failing. Both Murphy and Mowatt were 
awful yesterday. Mowatt was floundering around in his plimsolls, always a yard 
off the pace, trying his best to get into the game but ultimately failing. It's 
time to get rid I'm afraid. A nice left foot yes but he's not got what it 
takes. As for Luke Murphy, is there anyone apart from the Leeds Utd management 
that rate this guy. At best he is a pedestrian , Third division player with a 
shit haircut and a dodgy moustache. He strolled around yesterday as if he was 
Zidane but actually contributed nothing to the game. Absolutely nothing. He's a 
waste of space. 
And what about our front line ? Dallas is trying but the system is supporting 
him and he is expected to beat 3 men every time to contribute. He had our best 
chance and should have scored but at least he got into a goal scoring position. 
Woods was toothless. Ok, his fans will say he got no service. Agreed, but he 
really doesn't give himself a half chance if he doesn't jump for headers and 
put himself about a bit more. A few decent goals cloud the judgement but can I 
be first to say I think we've bought a donkey. Lee Chapman was a donkey but a 
donkey that got into good positions and put himself on the line. I don't see 
that in Woods and actually for a big lad I think he's a bit of a girl. He's got 
no pace and little skill. His half chance in the first half was a disgrace. 
Very disappointing. 
Will Buckley - the lad was obviously ill ? How else could you describe a 
performance like that ? I could have played a half and contributed at least as 
much i.e. nothing, I would hope that I could actually do more. Maybe a forward 
pass. I heard he's a confidence player. If that's the case we should send him 
back now because he's not going to get that here. Rosler"Will, get the ball, 
and beat 3 men and put it in the net, Easy". 
The defence is shell shocked and looks very brittle. Brum for me were another 
very average team but the one thing they had in Gray was someone with a bit of 
pace,that wasn't being constrained by his manager's system to play on the 
touchline, which enabled him to wander around and cause us problems. We just 
couldn't keep with him. We should buy him but he would probably look shit in 
our rigid , German 4-3-3. 
I thought all 3 subs made a slight difference especially the wizard who showed 
he does have something to offer even it was against tired Brum defenders. I 
would like to see him playing in a freer role similar to Gray.
Byram immediately showed he is a yard quicker on the ground and a second 
quicker in his head when it comes to making decision. I would like to see him 
playing in Luke Murphy's role (whatever that is). 
Overall, I'd like to see Rosler drop his obsession with wingers and actually 
get some players with pace and passing ability centrally. 
Off the pitch is was very low key. I don't think I heard the Kop once and the 
happy , clappy South Standers were struggling to keep the momentum going with 
nothing happening on the pitch. I arrive in Leeds at lunchtime and you'd really 
have to look to realise that there was a game going on? Prince of Wales closed 
and other pubs just sparsely populated. When I think back to the semi final 
against them and also the FA Cup match where the atmosphere in Leeds was 
electric. It's completely dead now. 
Rosler needs a rethink but I don't think he has the time.
Scores:
Sylvestri - 5. Don't think he had much chance with the goals. 
Beradi - 5. He was getting abuse from the folk need me but I actually thought 
he battled hard. 
Taylor - 3. His defending for the first goal was schoolboy. I don't think 

Re: [LU] Brum

[nat...@sky.com]

The very last line from Nicks report sums up the whole situation perfectly
thing is we don’t have any settled idea of how we want to play or who is best 
suited to carry out that plan for us2.

And therein lies the problem. We change the formation and the personnel but 
there does not appear to be any real 'plan' - we do not know what we are, a 
passing team, an up and at them team, a hoofball side, a try and keep it tight 
team or we will score more than them team etc
Yes we have now had 3 fairly solid performances on the bounce (inc Sunderland) 
but only have 2 draws and a defeat to show for it. One plus is that we have not 
conceded from open play or even a set piece for 2 games - both goals against us 
have been (dodgy?) penalties and we have now scored ourselves from open play, 
so some positives there
Somehow though we have to get 3 points on Tuesday - various things are against 
us -1. They are top of the League 2. We beat them at their place in a game we 
should not have won so they will want revenge. 3 We are awful on Tuesday nights 
4.The crowd will be v small (not helped by the OS still showing it as 'tbc' in 
the fixture list as of Friday) 
We do have one thing in our favour though 1. WE ARE LEEDS !
Come on lads - do it for Redders
Dave




  From: Nick n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
 To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Sunday, 18 January 2015, 11:58
 Subject: [LU] Brum
   
WE WUZ ROBBED

 

It is undoubtedly a better feeling to come out of a 1-1 having come from behind 
near the end than the other way round but despite the “feel good” ending, this 
a pretty unsatisfactory result; two poor teams not making much of a show of 
football – there was a reasonable amount of incident, but that doesn’t mean 
that either team was any good.

 

The things to feel good about include the fact that we scored from open play 
for the first time since Ipswich; that we didn’t buckle after going one down 
and fought our way back into the game and that we could and should have had the 
winner after all that pressure in the last 10 minutes. It is a good thing that 
we made a decent few chances, but a bad thing that again (like Wigan) we 
couldn’t close the deal.

 

After a steady start they got a penalty 5 or 6 minutes in – I’ve only seen the 
incident “live” but it seemed like a clean tackle to me, nor was there much 
appealing from the B’ham players. Still, the ref gave it and we were one down. 
For the next twenty minutes B’ham’s midfield strolled around pinging the ball 
like fun between themselves – no Leeds player was at the races at this time, 
with the possible exception of Silvestri – and every now and then they’d bang 
off a pretty decent shot from outside the box which our keeper did well to 
save. They obviously practice shooting from distance – why don’t we?

 

During the opening spell our best chance fell to Morrison – 10 yards out, 
having chested a crossed ball down really well to his feet, he let fly a left 
foot shot that swung high and glorious into the south stand. Antenucci carved a 
similar opening, dropped his shoulder and went round his man almost to the 
by-line, he hit the target and forced a save, but he was never likely to score 
from there. Cooper (?) had a header that flew just wide, but he should have hit 
the target.

 

The thing was that all of this happened more or less by chance – the weather 
was poor and the ground heavy and wet – but neither team looked comfortable and 
there were loads of aimlessly hoofed balls down the wings or just punted over 
the other sides defence.

 

At half time, struggling to think what to say, someone in our group said “well 
OK, who do we think had a shit first half?” and without missing a beat, the 
others in the group all said “Morrison!” simultaneously. He did get better in 
the second, where we seem to have decided that the thing to do with him is 
plant crosses beyond the back post for him to win and nod back across goal – he 
did this to pretty good effect – although no one really read the knock downs so 
it came to nothing. He flicked one header onto the inside of the post in the 
second half, the rebound eluding everyone, including the in-rushing Byram and 
the thing bobbled away.

 

The game became more and more us attacking and them defending – although on a 
break away they did hit the post in a similar way to Morrison’s earlier effort. 
We had two pretty decent penalty shouts ruled out until eventually Murphy drove 
home a poorly cleared cross from about 15 yards. It was on the half volley and 
there was a crowd ahead of him, he did well to keep it down and pick the gap. 
We also had a weird bouncing “goal” disallowed, the ball sailed over Doukara 
and their keeper after bouncing on the 6 yard line, but there had been an 
infringement in the build up apparently.

 

One thing I really don’t get is the crowd cheering for Antenucci being subbed 
off and Sharp being brought on – Sharp offered nothing different. Ah well, folk 

Re: [LU] Brum

[Tim Leslie]

I was impressed by him, but I would have substituted him after 75 mins, he
was dead on his feet. I don't know what any of us expected this season,
but I think the word Transitional may have been invented JUST for us right
now. I think everything is looking OK actually, not mindlessly optimistic
but not down in the dumps either. We're starting to build a younger squad,
not choc full of Journeymen, with a good manager who knows this League and
has launched a promotion push mid season (Succesfully) before. The key is,
will there be any money by January? If not, get used to it, it's a slow
work in progress. If there is, we could have an entertaining second half
of the season ahead of us. Now, being an eternal optimist, if thre is
LOADS of money all set to be invested a succesful promotion push could be
brilliant, otherwise we'd be next years Crystal Palace.

StigOfTheLurkingDump

 I think Mowatt is a great little player but he made one or two mistakes (
 1 nearly cost us a goal) and I think he has a lot to learn ... Not
 surprising considering he's only played a few games. Him and Byram are
 really giving me hope and I can't wait to see their next match.



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[John Lee]

Well the outcome of the Brum game is that me, my lad Danny and DRB, will be 
making our way to Elland Rd for the Yeovil game. Are any pubs de rigeur 
pre-match, or am I talking old money??
 
Don't think I've been since a freezing midweek cup game versus Shrewsbury when 
I went with Ed Watkinson (are you still lurking Ed?). Certainly didn't give 
Bates any of my money!
 
Anyway, looking forward to it.
 
 



On Tuesday, 22 October 2013, 8:47, Tim Leslie t...@3leafieldvillas.co.uk 
wrote:
  
I was impressed by him, but I would have substituted him after 75 mins, he
was dead on his feet. I don't know what any of us expected this season,
but I think the word Transitional may have been invented JUST for us right
now. I think everything is looking OK actually, not mindlessly optimistic
but not down in the dumps either. We're starting to build a younger squad,
not choc full of Journeymen, with a good manager who knows this League and
has launched a promotion push mid season (Succesfully) before. The key is,
will there be any money by January? If not, get used to it, it's a slow
work in progress. If there is, we could have an entertaining second half
of the season ahead of us. Now, being an eternal optimist, if thre is
LOADS of money all set to be invested a succesful promotion push could be
brilliant, otherwise we'd be next years Crystal Palace.

StigOfTheLurkingDump


 I think Mowatt is a great little player but he made one or two mistakes (
 1 nearly cost us a goal) and I think he has a lot to learn ... Not
 surprising considering he's only played a few games. Him and Byram are
 really giving me hope and I can't wait to see their next match.



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Re: [LU] Brum

[John Lee]

6 for Murphy? And 7 for Mowatt? My God, you're the Craig Revel-Horwood of this 
list when it comes to scoring Rich. Agree that Brum were hopeless, particularly 
their central defence/goalie, but this was an excellent display. I thought 
Mowatt was outstanding. Even Smith, who I thought looked a right dollop in 
earlier games, played extremely well. 
 
If they can reproduce this sort of effectiveness more consistently, then we 
will go up the table!
 
As for the TV thing, I saw enough to ask my lad if he wanted to go and he said 
yes, so we'll be Elland Rd bound very soon indeed. Do any listers meet up 
anywhere, or is that too old skool??



On Sunday, 20 October 2013, 18:32, Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk 
wrote:
  
Just the scores in the doors and a few comments from me. First, I thought Brum 
were the worse team I've seen this season especially their defence which was 
slow ( they made Macca look quick) and completely all at sea every time we 
attacked. If you look at their form / results this season it's clear they are 
heading in the same direction as their near neighbours Wolves.

So any optimism over this performance has to consider the poor quality of the 
opposition. Having said that there was some real positives for me today with 
the formation and our play.

I liked the fact we played with 2 up front. Matt Smith provided a real focus 
for our attacks and he enabled Macca more space and opportunity.

I loved the way Byram was playing in midfield. I never had him as a right back 
, he's too good to be a right back. Some of the interplay between him and 
Mowatt in the second half was simple but effective. Simple one twos. Great to 
see and they seemed to have an awareness of each other. 

I thought we were direct but for once our long balls seem to have purpose and 
usually had a white shirt running on to them.

Scores:

Kenny - 8. Didn't do a lot wrong and made a few decent saves for the clean 
sheet.

Pearce - 8. Committed performance. Missed an easy header first half but we've 
come to expect that.

Wooten - 8. Seemed to do ok.

Lees - 8. Some good defending.

Warnock - 8. I think he's getting stronger. He gets stuck in that's for sure.

Byram - 8. I thought he was a real threat throughout. Only going to get better. 
I think a large bid is coming in for him soon. He's got real quality.

Mowatt - 7. Nearly gifted them a goal. I think he's a tidy player and his cross 
for Smith's goal was fantastic. 

Austin - 9. That's the best he's played. This was a captain's performance and 
if he carries on like this he will change my mind because he was inspirational 
today. 

Murphy - 6. With Mowatt's introduction he has been relieved of playing left 
side of midfield so today he was central and saw more of the ball. He showed 
composure and got around the field well. He still was a bit of a side show and 
didn't really do anything major in the game but I think he showed today that it 
may be too early to write him off.

Smith - 9. I like Smith. He's a big lump, but he has good control and has good 
awareness of those around him. He scored 2 and had one disallowed which he 
smacked into the roof of the net with his left foot. 

Macca - 8. Looked very lively today. I find him frustrating at times and today 
he really should have a hat trick. 



Subs:

Brown - 10 class as always.

Credit to BMD, he's had a real think about the formation and he's come up with 
something that really worked today. Will it work against Town next week ? Who 
knows but this was a good performance and I think with the youth our enthusiasm 
levels were high. Feeling optimistic. It's amazing what 1 result can do. I was 
thinking BMD might be out if his depth 24 hours ago. Maybe I'll think that 
again when we get thumped by Town ?

Also, if you watched in out the telly you're a c£t !

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Re: [LU] Brum

[Richard walker]

I think Mowatt is a great little player but he made one or two mistakes ( 1 
nearly cost us a goal) and I think he has a lot to learn ... Not surprising 
considering he's only played a few games. Him and Byram are really giving me 
hope and I can't wait to see their next match.

As for Murphy, I liked his energy and and I think he looked much more 
comfortable on the ball. Playing on the left side of midfield Ina different 
system has actually meant he has been playing as a left winger which he is 
totally unsuited to. So I think I've been far too quick to write him off 
however I would say I can't think of anything he did which turned the game or 
created a goal. He was pedestrian but it was by far his best performance I've 
seen which tells you how poor he has been since his arrival at the club. 
Hopefully he will kick on from this.

As for my comment about watching in telly - that was what the Kop sang. I 
wouldn't blame anyone for not paying good brass to watch Leeds lately. I 
sometimes think I'm slightly mad. 

Sent from my iPad

 On 21 Oct 2013, at 11:35, John Lee bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 6 for Murphy? And 7 for Mowatt? My God, you're the Craig Revel-Horwood of 
 this list when it comes to scoring Rich. Agree that Brum were hopeless, 
 particularly their central defence/goalie, but this was an excellent display. 
 I thought Mowatt was outstanding. Even Smith, who I thought looked a right 
 dollop in earlier games, played extremely well.
  
 If they can reproduce this sort of effectiveness more consistently, then we 
 will go up the table!
  
 As for the TV thing, I saw enough to ask my lad if he wanted to go and he 
 said yes, so we'll be Elland Rd bound very soon indeed. Do any listers meet 
 up anywhere, or is that too old skool??
 
 
 On Sunday, 20 October 2013, 18:32, Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk 
 wrote:
 Just the scores in the doors and a few comments from me. First, I thought 
 Brum were the worse team I've seen this season especially their defence which 
 was slow ( they made Macca look quick) and completely all at sea every time 
 we attacked. If you look at their form / results this season it's clear they 
 are heading in the same direction as their near neighbours Wolves.
 
 So any optimism over this performance has to consider the poor quality of the 
 opposition. Having said that there was some real positives for me today with 
 the formation and our play.
 
 I liked the fact we played with 2 up front. Matt Smith provided a real focus 
 for our attacks and he enabled Macca more space and opportunity.
 
 I loved the way Byram was playing in midfield. I never had him as a right 
 back , he's too good to be a right back. Some of the interplay between him 
 and Mowatt in the second half was simple but effective. Simple one twos. 
 Great to see and they seemed to have an awareness of each other. 
 
 I thought we were direct but for once our long balls seem to have purpose and 
 usually had a white shirt running on to them.
 
 Scores:
 
 Kenny - 8. Didn't do a lot wrong and made a few decent saves for the clean 
 sheet.
 
 Pearce - 8. Committed performance. Missed an easy header first half but we've 
 come to expect that.
 
 Wooten - 8. Seemed to do ok.
 
 Lees - 8. Some good defending.
 
 Warnock - 8. I think he's getting stronger. He gets stuck in that's for sure.
 
 Byram - 8. I thought he was a real threat throughout. Only going to get 
 better. I think a large bid is coming in for him soon. He's got real quality.
 
 Mowatt - 7. Nearly gifted them a goal. I think he's a tidy player and his 
 cross for Smith's goal was fantastic. 
 
 Austin - 9. That's the best he's played. This was a captain's performance and 
 if he carries on like this he will change my mind because he was 
 inspirational today. 
 
 Murphy - 6. With Mowatt's introduction he has been relieved of playing left 
 side of midfield so today he was central and saw more of the ball. He showed 
 composure and got around the field well. He still was a bit of a side show 
 and didn't really do anything major in the game but I think he showed today 
 that it may be too early to write him off.
 
 Smith - 9. I like Smith. He's a big lump, but he has good control and has 
 good awareness of those around him. He scored 2 and had one disallowed which 
 he smacked into the roof of the net with his left foot. 
 
 Macca - 8. Looked very lively today. I find him frustrating at times and 
 today he really should have a hat trick. 
 
 
 
 Subs:
 
 Brown - 10 class as always.
 
 Credit to BMD, he's had a real think about the formation and he's come up 
 with something that really worked today. Will it work against Town next week 
 ? Who knows but this was a good performance and I think with the youth our 
 enthusiasm levels were high. Feeling optimistic. It's amazing what 1 result 
 can do. I was thinking BMD might be out if his depth 24 hours ago. Maybe I'll 
 think that again when we get thumped by Town ?
 
 Also, if you 

Re: [LU] Brum on Satdi.

[Eric B]

less is more. how about

coach

ey?


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.comwrote:

 I like it, and will refer to him in all future posts as BMcD. As in 'bee
 mac dee'. It rolls off the tongue so well Dave!

 IJM

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 18 Apr 2013, at 19:43, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:

  No, no please no
  Do not refer to Brian McDermott as BDM - it really grates on me how all
 these football players are suddenly referred to by 3 initials. It started
 with Andre Vilas Boas (AVB) and then suddenly players who have been here
 ages are suddenly just 3 letters (RDM, RVP - for Di Matteo and Van Persie)
  I have even seen Fergiescum referred to as SAF  - FFS is my retort to the
 3 letter names
 
  Lets call him Brian or Brian McD or even McD - (pronounced Macdee as
 opposed to Em See Dee)
 
  Sorry for rant but it bugs me something rotten
 
  Dave (or DCN if you prefer)
 
 
  
  From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
  To: 'Leeds List (Post to list)' leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2013, 12:28
  Subject: [LU] Brum on Satdi.
 
 
  Since we are all but safe, hopefully BMD will try a bit of a change on
  Satdi.  Hall, Dawson (if fit), Somma and Poleon should all get a run out
 for
  at least part of the game.
 
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Re: [LU] Brum on Satdi.

[nat...@sky.com]

No, no please no 
Do not refer to Brian McDermott as BDM - it really grates on me how all these 
football players are suddenly referred to by 3 initials. It started with Andre 
Vilas Boas (AVB) and then suddenly players who have been here ages are suddenly 
just 3 letters (RDM, RVP - for Di Matteo and Van Persie)  I have even seen 
Fergiescum referred to as SAF  - FFS is my retort to the 3 letter names

Lets call him Brian or Brian McD or even McD - (pronounced Macdee as opposed to 
Em See Dee)

Sorry for rant but it bugs me something rotten

Dave (or DCN if you prefer) 



 From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
To: 'Leeds List (Post to list)' leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2013, 12:28
Subject: [LU] Brum on Satdi.
 

Since we are all but safe, hopefully BMD will try a bit of a change on
Satdi.  Hall, Dawson (if fit), Somma and Poleon should all get a run out for
at least part of the game.  

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Re: [LU] Brum on Satdi.

[Ian Murray]

I like it, and will refer to him in all future posts as BMcD. As in 'bee mac 
dee'. It rolls off the tongue so well Dave!

IJM

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Apr 2013, at 19:43, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:

 No, no please no 
 Do not refer to Brian McDermott as BDM - it really grates on me how all these 
 football players are suddenly referred to by 3 initials. It started with 
 Andre Vilas Boas (AVB) and then suddenly players who have been here ages are 
 suddenly just 3 letters (RDM, RVP - for Di Matteo and Van Persie)  I have 
 even seen Fergiescum referred to as SAF  - FFS is my retort to the 3 letter 
 names
 
 Lets call him Brian or Brian McD or even McD - (pronounced Macdee as opposed 
 to Em See Dee)
 
 Sorry for rant but it bugs me something rotten
 
 Dave (or DCN if you prefer) 
 
 
 
 From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 To: 'Leeds List (Post to list)' leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2013, 12:28
 Subject: [LU] Brum on Satdi.
 
 
 Since we are all but safe, hopefully BMD will try a bit of a change on
 Satdi.  Hall, Dawson (if fit), Somma and Poleon should all get a run out for
 at least part of the game.  
 
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Re: [LU] Brum on Satdi.

[Peter Castlehouse]

I agree with DCN here - and bearing no middle name (we were too poor to
afford one when I was a lad) I go with macdee or even Micky D as a suitable
nickname.

Now, what can I come up with here to finish off the email?   Nah, over it...

OzP

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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2013 9:43 PM
To: Richard Naef; 'Leeds List (Post to list)'
Subject: Re: [LU] Brum on Satdi.

No, no please no 
Do not refer to Brian McDermott as BDM - it really grates on me how all
these football players are suddenly referred to by 3 initials. It started
with Andre Vilas Boas (AVB) and then suddenly players who have been here
ages are suddenly just 3 letters (RDM, RVP - for Di Matteo and Van Persie)
 I have even seen Fergiescum referred to as SAF  - FFS is my retort to the 3
letter names

Lets call him Brian or Brian McD or even McD - (pronounced Macdee as opposed
to Em See Dee)

Sorry for rant but it bugs me something rotten

Dave (or DCN if you prefer) 



 From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
To: 'Leeds List (Post to list)' leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2013, 12:28
Subject: [LU] Brum on Satdi.
 

Since we are all but safe, hopefully BMD will try a bit of a change on
Satdi.  Hall, Dawson (if fit), Somma and Poleon should all get a run out for
at least part of the game.  

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Re: [LU] Brum

[John Lee]

Fair points Nigel. I thought Bates was being kept on to re-assure GFH that 
there were no skeletons in the closet and if any should pop out in the 
short-term then Beast will still be around. That in itself makes you wonder how 
robust the whole thing has been, but I wouldn't blame anyone for not trusting 
el Presidente! 
As for getting rid of Bates for good - that's a pipe dream, so get over it. It 
seems clear that having him around was a condition of the sale, so we just have 
to hope that they push him out of the day to day running of the club (and all 
our minds) ASAP...
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Re: [LU] Brum

[MATTHEW GAYNOR]

GFH do have the faint whiff of the Krasner mob about them.
Desperate to own a football team but without really having the financial muscle 
to do it properly - hence they end up with Bates hanging around - and in the 
meantime the club drifts along losing more and more supporters on the way.


The football has been largely turgid this season. Given 90% of the crowd were 
in the Kop, Captains Lounge or NE corner on Saturday - that meant most of us 
were just looking at banks of empty seats.  

We had about 3 chances, Becchio scored one, missed a sitter when clean through 
and there was a header the keeper saved - and that was it. Brum were dreadful - 
their keeper kicked it straight out of play at least 4 times - but if Redmond 
could shoot straight as well as  doing stepovers, they'd have won.

We were bad but far from the worse i've seen us this season.

The most depressing thing is we bring an ageing, cheating, primadonna signed on 
a free from Doncaster - and he's easily our best player for the simple fact 
that he can control the ball and cross it into the box. With the possible 
exception of Byram, there is no other excitement in the team.

Matt







 From: John Lee bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Nigel Sykes ni...@sykesonline.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Monday, 7 January 2013, 9:11
Subject: Re: [LU] Brum
 



Fair points Nigel. I thought Bates was being kept on to re-assure GFH that 
there were no skeletons in the closet and if any should pop out in the 
short-term then Beast will still be around. That in itself makes you wonder how 
robust the whole thing has been, but I wouldn't blame anyone for not trusting 
el Presidente! 
As for getting rid of Bates for good - that's a pipe dream, so get over it. It 
seems clear that having him around was a condition of the sale, so we just have 
to hope that they push him out of the day to day running of the club (and all 
our minds) ASAP...
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Re: [LU] Brum

[Dr Michael Benjamin]

We managed to find the only two paupers in the Emirates.
Why am I not surprised?


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On 7 January 2013 13:16, MATTHEW GAYNOR matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.comwrote:

 GFH do have the faint whiff of the Krasner mob about them.
 Desperate to own a football team but without really having the financial
 muscle to do it properly - hence they end up with Bates hanging around -
 and in the meantime the club drifts along losing more and more supporters
 on the way.


 The football has been largely turgid this season. Given 90% of the crowd
 were in the Kop, Captains Lounge or NE corner on Saturday - that meant most
 of us were just looking at banks of empty seats.

 We had about 3 chances, Becchio scored one, missed a sitter when clean
 through and there was a header the keeper saved - and that was it. Brum
 were dreadful - their keeper kicked it straight out of play at least 4
 times - but if Redmond could shoot straight as well as  doing stepovers,
 they'd have won.

 We were bad but far from the worse i've seen us this season.

 The most depressing thing is we bring an ageing, cheating, primadonna
 signed on a free from Doncaster - and he's easily our best player for the
 simple fact that he can control the ball and cross it into the box. With
 the possible exception of Byram, there is no other excitement in the team.

 Matt






 
  From: John Lee bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
 To: Nigel Sykes ni...@sykesonline.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Monday, 7 January 2013, 9:11
 Subject: Re: [LU] Brum




 Fair points Nigel. I thought Bates was being kept on to re-assure GFH that
 there were no skeletons in the closet and if any should pop out in the
 short-term then Beast will still be around. That in itself makes you wonder
 how robust the whole thing has been, but I wouldn't blame anyone for not
 trusting el Presidente!
 As for getting rid of Bates for good - that's a pipe dream, so get over
 it. It seems clear that having him around was a condition of the sale, so
 we just have to hope that they push him out of the day to day running of
 the club (and all our minds) ASAP...
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Re: [LU] Brum

[Peter Castlehouse]

Because, Dr Mike, you are the most depressing thing happening to the list
(apart from Bates' non-exit) and you are displaying why you are the most
depressing thing at the same time!

I work with an extremely large number of psychiatrists, psychologists and
every other psych-whatevers you can imagine - I have yet to meet one who is
as negative as you!

Go figure?

quote We managed to find the only two paupers in the Emirates.Why am I
not surprised?   unquote

H Lecter

Subject: Re: [LU] Brum

We managed to find the only two paupers in the Emirates.
Why am I not surprised?


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Re: [LU] Brum

[Nigel Barber]

Dr Mike, are you Bates in disguise?


Nigel.


On 7 January 2013 12:25, Peter Castlehouse dubca...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Because, Dr Mike, you are the most depressing thing happening to the list
 (apart from Bates' non-exit) and you are displaying why you are the most
 depressing thing at the same time!

 I work with an extremely large number of psychiatrists, psychologists and
 every other psych-whatevers you can imagine - I have yet to meet one who is
 as negative as you!

 Go figure?

 quote We managed to find the only two paupers in the Emirates.Why am
 I
 not surprised?   unquote

 H Lecter

 Subject: Re: [LU] Brum

 We managed to find the only two paupers in the Emirates.
 Why am I not surprised?


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[Dr Michael Benjamin]

In what capacity?
:)


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On 7 January 2013 14:48, swin...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 On 07/01/2013 09:11, John Lee wrote:

 As for getting rid of Bates for good - that's a pipe dream, so get over
 it.


 So I can't continue my montone of Bates Out? Shame I had it set as my f4
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Re: [LU] Brum

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Nothing much to add to Dave's report - I just think that there are 2 figures
that sum up yesterday (and the current LUFC malaise)...the crowd 11, 447 (and to
think I knew about 15 of them by name)...and the number of passes made to our
goalkeeper yesterday...I mean seriously, he must have been in receipt of way
more than any other Leeds player. V negative.

Bad day at the office for all concerned, but in particular Hall and White had
about as anonymous a 45 minutes as it is possible to have...dreadful...McCormack
not much ahead of them...



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 One thing I always hope for when the crowd is low (11,000 today)
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[Ted]

Phill Shields wrote:

... I love Leeds United, followed them man and boy for nearly 50 years, and
the one constant in all that time has been the passion, loyalty and
commitment of our fans. It is what makes us special but I am afraid the
other constant is that we are taken for granted and the hard core have been
milked by the club throughout that time. Bates has not managed our finances
well, he has fleeced true supporters prepared to pay over the odds to watch
very ordinary players.

 A lot of fans have fallen out of love with the club and it really saddens
me. Us mugs with Season Tickets will be approached again shortly to stump
up more over the top prices to renew. I am seriously considering walking
away from them this time.


Couldn't agree more Phill. I think this is the worst football I've ever
seen us play.

  I'm willing to see what GFH say, or do, over the next few weeks, but
other than banal tweets their silence is deafening.

They need to get shut of Bates for good, lower prices and show some fucking
ambition.  I'm not bothered about being a Man City or Chelsea, I just want
to see some investment on the field, and, I WANT TO BE ENTERTAINED for my
hard earned money.

Ted H
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Re: [LU] Brum

[Nigel Sykes]

There's a surprising amount of anti-new-owners stuff coming out - I'm never one 
to support 'The Man', but FFS, give 'em a chance!  There's no point complaining 
about a lack of investment when they're all of 3 working days into the transfer 
window. We all know that the majority of deals (somewhat unfathomably) go 
through in the last few days, not the first few. 

And in any case, they've made it clear that they're not sugar daddies with a 
limitless pot o' gold, so I would expect that the best we can hope for is some 
sensible squad bolstering by the end of the month. 

As for getting rid of Bates for good - that's a pipe dream, so get over it. It 
seems clear that having him around was a condition of the sale, so we just have 
to hope that they push him out of the day to day running of the club (and all 
our minds) ASAP...

Nigel
(the Dublin one)
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Re: [LU] Brum

[markbursa]

Sensible post of the day award!
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There's a surprising amount of anti-new-owners stuff coming out - I'm never one 
to support 'The Man', but FFS, give 'em a chance!  There's no point complaining 
about a lack of investment when they're all of 3 working days into the transfer 
window. We all know that the majority of deals (somewhat unfathomably) go 
through in the last few days, not the first few. 

And in any case, they've made it clear that they're not sugar daddies with a 
limitless pot o' gold, so I would expect that the best we can hope for is some 
sensible squad bolstering by the end of the month. 

As for getting rid of Bates for good - that's a pipe dream, so get over it. It 
seems clear that having him around was a condition of the sale, so we just have 
to hope that they push him out of the day to day running of the club (and all 
our minds) ASAP...

Nigel
(the Dublin one)
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Re: [LU] Brum

[Phill Shields]

GFH said before they took over that Bates would not be involved after they 
bought us so what changed? They must know how the fans feel about him so we can 
only assume Bates has something up his sleeve.

His continued involvement will always place a divide between the fans and the 
club.

I wonder who owns ER

David Nattan nat...@sky.com wrote:

I am not against GFH , my concerns are that it took so long to complete the
deal that they lost all impetus and did not ride in on the wave of optimism
that they would have done if they had taken over pre season.
We do not know if Bates staying on was part of the deal - they have neither
said it nor denied it. Also the same applies to his continuing to write his
vitriol in the programme and his getting a Presidency at the end of the
year. IF it is their choice then they have not judged the mood of fans
properly., if it was foisted on them , then let us know - if it is subject
to the confidentiality stuff then let us read it between the lines.

The price for yesterdays game - again may be down to Bates, not them- has
not won them any fans.
We have not yet managed to sign even the loan players let alone anyone new,
albeit it is only 6 days in.
I think if they had said and done things better they would have the fans
100% behind them and have given the whole place a lift  - instead they are
being viewed with at best, ambivalence , and at worst suspicion by a large
number of match going fans

Dave

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Nigel Sykes ni...@sykesonline.com wrote:

 There's a surprising amount of anti-new-owners stuff coming out - I'm
 never one to support 'The Man', but FFS, give 'em a chance!  There's no
 point complaining about a lack of investment when they're all of 3 working
 days into the transfer window. We all know that the majority of deals
 (somewhat unfathomably) go through in the last few days, not the first few.

 And in any case, they've made it clear that they're not sugar daddies with
 a limitless pot o' gold, so I would expect that the best we can hope for is
 some sensible squad bolstering by the end of the month.

 As for getting rid of Bates for good - that's a pipe dream, so get over
 it. It seems clear that having him around was a condition of the sale, so
 we just have to hope that they push him out of the day to day running of
 the club (and all our minds) ASAP...

 Nigel
 (the Dublin one)
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Re: [LU] Brum

[Jim Moran]

I won't return to Elland Road until Bates is gone properly or dead.
Suspect I will have to wait for the latter.
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Re: [LU] Brum

[Nigel Sykes]

 his continuing to write his vitriol in the programme

I thought Bates was no longer in the program?  - At least, I saw loads of
comments on Twitter to that effect.  Is he back?

 if it was foisted on them (Bates staying around), then let us know 

I've no idea.  But surely supposition is enough to be at least 90% sure that
Bates' continued presence (in whatever aspect) must be down to a clause in
the agreement.  I mean, what other possible reason could they want for still
having him around?

 The price for yesterdays game - again may be down to Bates, not them- has
not won them any fans.

I'm sure that in the past there have been the same issues with FA Cup games,
and the pricing is down to a combination of stupid FA restrictions and the
fact that they can only be reduced with the consent of the visitors (since
they get a cut).  Is that not the case?  So Brum may to blame in this
case...

I still think that the new boys need to be given a chance to prove something
before we start calling for their heads.  Though I do concede that comments
(which I hadn't read) to the effect that January won't prove anything
won't help - I'll be ready to hang 'em from a lamp post at the end of the
month if nothing useful is done...

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Re: [LU] Brum

[Richard Walker]

Cheers for the report - I was in the pub in Leeds per-match and only a few 
people in that pub went to the match and most of these people have been going 
home and away for over 20 years. Desperate times !

Sent from my iPad

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Re: [LU] Brum

[David Nattan]

Totally agree Rich = these are desperate times. Somehow the new owners need
to raise the levels of optimism around ER and get old fans back whilst
attracting new ones.And all this in a recession !
In some ways it is easy - plough in loads of money and attract top players
and get us playing good ,successful football. It worked for Chelsea a  few
years ago and Man City more recently. Only snag is that GFH do not have the
cash of  Abromivitch or Sheik Mansoor and if they do it by borrowing /
gambling our future they run the risk of becoming a new Ridsdale.
We decided that they could (if it was down to them and not Bates) subject
to FA regulations, have made it dirt cheap today - free or £1 for kids and
£5 for adults. It would led (hopefully) to a full house and they could have
made money on merchandise. It would have reminded fans what they are
missing and got them an awful lot of goodwill. OK fans who turn up at
reduced prices do not come back at full price (that is why I am generally
against these 'special offers') but think what it would have done to lift
the general atmosphere around Leeds United, and with it being a cup game,
it would not have put anyone's nose out of joint. What a message it would
have sent out - Bates has gone, we are here and we care and appreciate the
fans (even if they don't)
Dave

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:

 Cheers for the report - I was in the pub in Leeds per-match and only a few
 people in that pub went to the match and most of these people have been
 going home and away for over 20 years. Desperate times !


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Re: [LU] Brum

[seanscribe]

Surely you lot are being a bit harsh about the desperate times if you're 
basing that assessment on the past two games? The view from my armchair is that 
the club had what sounds like an awful virus sweep through Thorpe Arch, with a 
significant number of senior players and even the manager and his assistant 
stricken, and yet somehow eked out three points against Bolton and managed to 
remain in the cup today, despite having no manager in the dugout and players 
like Austin being sent home from Elland Road because they were too sick. In the 
unlikely event we get promoted (or even make it to the play-offs) this season, 
that win against Bolton will go down in the history books as a key, key result. 
Three points when - with several players on the field under the weather - 
Warnock would have had all the excuses he needed if we'd dropped points. To me 
the players seem to be showing extraordinary courage and resilience given what 
is clearly a devastating health situation in the dressing room.

Cheers!

Sean


-Original Message-
From: David Nattan nat...@sky.com
To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Brum


Totally agree Rich = these are desperate times. Somehow the new owners need
o raise the levels of optimism around ER and get old fans back whilst
ttracting new ones.And all this in a recession !
n some ways it is easy - plough in loads of money and attract top players
nd get us playing good ,successful football. It worked for Chelsea a  few
ears ago and Man City more recently. Only snag is that GFH do not have the
ash of  Abromivitch or Sheik Mansoor and if they do it by borrowing /
ambling our future they run the risk of becoming a new Ridsdale.
e decided that they could (if it was down to them and not Bates) subject
o FA regulations, have made it dirt cheap today - free or £1 for kids and
5 for adults. It would led (hopefully) to a full house and they could have
ade money on merchandise. It would have reminded fans what they are
issing and got them an awful lot of goodwill. OK fans who turn up at
educed prices do not come back at full price (that is why I am generally
gainst these 'special offers') but think what it would have done to lift
he general atmosphere around Leeds United, and with it being a cup game,
t would not have put anyone's nose out of joint. What a message it would
ave sent out - Bates has gone, we are here and we care and appreciate the
ans (even if they don't)
ave
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:
 Cheers for the report - I was in the pub in Leeds per-match and only a few
 people in that pub went to the match and most of these people have been
 going home and away for over 20 years. Desperate times !


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Re: [LU] Brum

[Richard Walker]

To be honest I think I've just had enough with a lot of aspects around the 
current game. I don't want to be a Chelsea or a Man City I just want an honest 
club with a good, fair ticketing policy with a team who are committed to the 
club and who have a decent amount of ability - pipe dreams maybe but even when 
we were shit I loved the players who loved Leeds and had ability e.g. Sheridan 

On the positive side, although it seems like a desperate situation I don't 
think it would take much to inject some enthusiasm by convincing us all that 
Bates now has no control and bringing in 1 or 2 players who really fancy the 
promotion challenge and have real ability. I think there's one think you can 
say about this current squad - lack of quality in almost every position.

Also, if the new owners can convince us that that they aren't  against the fan 
base - and by this I mean the hardcore support who have been there thick and 
thin - the ones who Bates thinks are worthless and 'animals'  and has spent 
most of his efforts trying to alienate.

Sent from my iPad
Ey
On 5 Jan 2013, at 22:08, seanscr...@aol.com wrote:

 
 Surely you lot are being a bit harsh about the desperate times if you're 
 basing that assessment on the past two games? The view from my armchair is 
 that the club had what sounds like an awful virus sweep through Thorpe Arch, 
 with a significant number of senior players and even the manager and his 
 assistant stricken, and yet somehow eked out three points against Bolton and 
 managed to charemain in the cup today, despite having no manager in the 
 dugout and players like Austin being sent home from Elland Road because they 
 were too sick. In the unlikely event we get promoted (or even make it to the 
 play-offs) this season, that win against Bolton will go down in the history 
 books as a key, key result. Three points when - with several players on the 
 field under the weather - the would have had all the excuses he needed if 
 we'd dropped points. To me the players seem to be showing extraordinary 
 courage and resilience given what is clearly a devastating health situation 
 in the dressing room.
 
 Cheers!
 
 Sean
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: David Nattan nat...@sky.com
 To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:55 pm
 Subject: Re: [LU] Brum
 
 
 Totally agree Rich = these are desperate times. Somehow the new owners need
 o raise the levels of optimism around ER and get old fans back whilst
 ttracting new ones.And all this in a recession !
 n some ways it is easy - plough in loads of money and attract top players
 nd get us playing good ,successful football. It worked for Chelsea a  few
 ears ago and Man City more recently. Only snag is that GFH do not have the
 ash of  Abromivitch or Sheik Mansoor and if they do it by borrowing /
 ambling our future they run the risk of becoming a new Ridsdale.
 e decided that they could (if it was down to them and not Bates) subject
 o FA regulations, have made it dirt cheap today - free or £1 for kids and
 5 for adults. It would led (hopefully) to a full house and they could have
 ade money on merchandise. It would have reminded fans what they are
 issing and got them an awful lot of goodwill. OK fans who turn up at
 educed prices do not come back at full price (that is why I am generally
 gainst these 'special offers') but think what it would have done to lift
 he general atmosphere around Leeds United, and with it being a cup game,
 t would not have put anyone's nose out of joint. What a message it would
 ave sent out - Bates has gone, we are here and we care and appreciate the
 ans (even if they don't)
 ave
 On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:
 Cheers for the report - I was in the pub in Leeds per-match and only a few
 people in that pub went to the match and most of these people have been
 going home and away for over 20 years. Desperate times !
 
 
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Re: [LU] Brum

[David Nattan]

I was talking more of the off pitch stuff
A crowd of under 11,000 for the 3rd round of the cup - not on TV, 3pm on a
Saturday, against a team from the same Division.
A league average crowd of around 22,000 and dropping. No optimism around
the place despite new ownership (OK very early to judge them but they have
not filled fans with confidence) A terrible atmosphere at games etc etc
Dave

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 10:08 PM, seanscr...@aol.com wrote:

 Surely you lot are being a bit harsh about the desperate times if you're
 basing that assessment on the past two games? The view from my armchair is
 that the club had what sounds like an awful virus sweep through Thorpe
 Arch, with a significant number of senior players and even the manager and
 his assistant stricken, and yet somehow eked out three points against
 Bolton and managed to remain in the cup today, despite having no manager in
 the dugout and players like Austin being sent home from Elland Road because
 they were too sick. In the unlikely event we get promoted (or even make it
 to the play-offs) this season, that win against Bolton will go down in the
 history books as a key, key result. Three points when - with several
 players on the field under the weather - Warnock would have had all the
 excuses he needed if we'd dropped points. To me the players seem to be
 showing extraordinary courage and resilience given what is clearly a
 devastating health situation in the dressing room.

 Cheers!

 Sean

  -Original Message-
 From: David Nattan nat...@sky.com
 To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:55 pm
 Subject: Re: [LU] Brum

 Totally agree Rich = these are desperate times. Somehow the new owners need
 to raise the levels of optimism around ER and get old fans back whilst
 attracting new ones.And all this in a recession !
 In some ways it is easy - plough in loads of money and attract top players
 and get us playing good ,successful football. It worked for Chelsea a  few
 years ago and Man City more recently. Only snag is that GFH do not have the
 cash of  Abromivitch or Sheik Mansoor and if they do it by borrowing /
 gambling our future they run the risk of becoming a new Ridsdale.
 We decided that they could (if it was down to them and not Bates) subject
 to FA regulations, have made it dirt cheap today - free or £1 for kids and
 £5 for adults. It would led (hopefully) to a full house and they could have
 made money on merchandise. It would have reminded fans what they are
 missing and got them an awful lot of goodwill. OK fans who turn up at
 reduced prices do not come back at full price (that is why I am generally
 against these 'special offers') but think what it would have done to lift
 the general atmosphere around Leeds United, and with it being a cup game,
 it would not have put anyone's nose out of joint. What a message it would
 have sent out - Bates has gone, we are here and we care and appreciate the
 fans (even if they don't)
 Dave

 On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 wrote:

  Cheers for the report - I was in the pub in Leeds per-match and only a few
  people in that pub went to the match and most of these people have been
  going home and away for over 20 years. Desperate times !
 
 
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Re: [LU] Brum

[Damian Walsh]

Look on the even brighter side.

...with any luck we ll have given a handy virus to one of our league
rivals and stayed in the cup at the same time
Le 5 janv. 2013 23:08, seanscr...@aol.com a écrit :


 Surely you lot are being a bit harsh about the desperate times if you're
 basing that assessment on the past two games? The view from my armchair is
 that the club had what sounds like an awful virus sweep through Thorpe
 Arch, with a significant number of senior players and even the manager and
 his assistant stricken, and yet somehow eked out three points against
 Bolton and managed to remain in the cup today, despite having no manager in
 the dugout and players like Austin being sent home from Elland Road because
 they were too sick. In the unlikely event we get promoted (or even make it
 to the play-offs) this season, that win against Bolton will go down in the
 history books as a key, key result. Three points when - with several
 players on the field under the weather - Warnock would have had all the
 excuses he needed if we'd dropped points. To me the players seem to be
 showing extraordinary courage and resilience given what is clearly a
 devastating health situation in the dressing room.

 Cheers!

 Sean


 -Original Message-
 From: David Nattan nat...@sky.com
 To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:55 pm
 Subject: Re: [LU] Brum


 Totally agree Rich = these are desperate times. Somehow the new owners need
 o raise the levels of optimism around ER and get old fans back whilst
 ttracting new ones.And all this in a recession !
 n some ways it is easy - plough in loads of money and attract top players
 nd get us playing good ,successful football. It worked for Chelsea a  few
 ears ago and Man City more recently. Only snag is that GFH do not have the
 ash of  Abromivitch or Sheik Mansoor and if they do it by borrowing /
 ambling our future they run the risk of becoming a new Ridsdale.
 e decided that they could (if it was down to them and not Bates) subject
 o FA regulations, have made it dirt cheap today - free or £1 for kids and
 5 for adults. It would led (hopefully) to a full house and they could have
 ade money on merchandise. It would have reminded fans what they are
 issing and got them an awful lot of goodwill. OK fans who turn up at
 educed prices do not come back at full price (that is why I am generally
 gainst these 'special offers') but think what it would have done to lift
 he general atmosphere around Leeds United, and with it being a cup game,
 t would not have put anyone's nose out of joint. What a message it would
 ave sent out - Bates has gone, we are here and we care and appreciate the
 ans (even if they don't)
 ave
 On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 wrote:
  Cheers for the report - I was in the pub in Leeds per-match and only a
 few
  people in that pub went to the match and most of these people have been
  going home and away for over 20 years. Desperate times !


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