Re: [Legacy-Nederlands] Email problemen
Bedankt Theo. Evert 2016-02-26 15:26 GMT+01:00 Theo Zelders: > Beste medegebruikers van dit email adres, > > Na een groot aantal problemen en het uiteindelijk instorten van de > mail server van Millennia, is men daar overgegaan op een nieuwe server > en een ander mailprogramma. Dat heeft even voor veel verwarring > gezorgd, maar het schijnt nu weer redelijk te werken. Hieronder vind > je het bericht dat ons werd gestuurd ter toelichting op de problemen. > > Je hoeft het niet te lezen, maar ik stuur het toch maar even ter > informatie, voor diegenen die het mocht interesseren. > > Theo Zelders > _ > Our old mail server just died. We tried to get it fixed/restored. > After some attempt at that we ended up moving to a new server and list > server. We are using MailMan for our new list server. The SmarterMail > server we were using for lists was about 5 years old. A lot has > changed with mailing list servers during those years. > > Here is an explanation I have sent to a few really angry customers :) > === > Several websites changed how they accept mail from list servers. > So, about 1/3 of all subscribers never saw any email even though > they subscribed to the LegacyUserGroup list. > > The new DMARC rules and the digital signature PKI encryption have > pretty much broken all mail servers. Mail Servers change email > messages by adding headers or maybe footers to a message. They may > change the subject line to add something like [LegacyUG]. Also the > headers in the message that contain the deliverable address gets > modified by list servers. All of this fiddling with an email is > similar to what s p a m m e r s use. So, about 30% of all email > providers won't allow emails form mailing lists through. The newer > version of MailMan software that we moved to works better but isn't > perfect. It handles things better by trying to figure out how an > email provider wants and tries to follow those rules. > > So, the problem isn't that we just took the liberty of adding a bunch > of people to a mailing list but rather over the last 3 or so years > people have subscribed and but never got a confirmation and never > received any email from the list. The list still had them. I had > backups of all the lists that were only about 2 days before the server > crashed. These exact lists were imported to the new mailing list > sever. So, they were all email addresses that a user had to give us > to be on that list at some point. Once we imported to the new list > people who had never got an email are not getting emails from the > list. And because of this there has been extremely high usage on the > list with everyone saying ME TOO. > > We discovered yesterday that MailMan software has an Emergency > Moderation feature so we turned that on so all of the ME TOO messages > can be handled directly and everyone on the LegacyUG doesn't have to > see all the unsubscribe me messages. > > It will probably take a while for the thousands who are now getting > email work through the process of getting unsubscribed. We know > people are saying they try to unsubscribe but when we try it the > process just works every time so we don't know why so many people need > help with that process. Hopefully we'll get that figured out soon so > we don't have to spend so much time manually assisting so many people. > > Thanks, > Ken McGinnis > > -- > ___ > Legacy-Nederlands mailing list > Legacy-Nederlands@legacyusers.com > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacy-nederlands_legacyusers.com > -- ___ Legacy-Nederlands mailing list Legacy-Nederlands@legacyusers.com http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacy-nederlands_legacyusers.com
Re: [Legacy-Nederlands] Email problemen
Dit is een mailgroep. Iedereen krijgt alle verzonden mails. Op de pagina waar je je hebt aangemeld staat dit omschreven. Zie http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/legacylists_nederlands.asp Je kunt je daar ook afmelden indien gewenst. Bert Op 26-2-2016 om 16:59 schreef Edwin Moison: Waarom krijg van iedereen mail ? Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 26 feb. 2016 om 15:26 heeft Theo Zeldershet volgende geschreven: Beste medegebruikers van dit email adres, Na een groot aantal problemen en het uiteindelijk instorten van de mail server van Millennia, is men daar overgegaan op een nieuwe server en een ander mailprogramma. Dat heeft even voor veel verwarring gezorgd, maar het schijnt nu weer redelijk te werken. Hieronder vind je het bericht dat ons werd gestuurd ter toelichting op de problemen. Je hoeft het niet te lezen, maar ik stuur het toch maar even ter informatie, voor diegenen die het mocht interesseren. Theo Zelders _ Our old mail server just died. We tried to get it fixed/restored. After some attempt at that we ended up moving to a new server and list server. We are using MailMan for our new list server. The SmarterMail server we were using for lists was about 5 years old. A lot has changed with mailing list servers during those years. Here is an explanation I have sent to a few really angry customers :) === Several websites changed how they accept mail from list servers. So, about 1/3 of all subscribers never saw any email even though they subscribed to the LegacyUserGroup list. The new DMARC rules and the digital signature PKI encryption have pretty much broken all mail servers. Mail Servers change email messages by adding headers or maybe footers to a message. They may change the subject line to add something like [LegacyUG]. Also the headers in the message that contain the deliverable address gets modified by list servers. All of this fiddling with an email is similar to what s p a m m e r s use. So, about 30% of all email providers won't allow emails form mailing lists through. The newer version of MailMan software that we moved to works better but isn't perfect. It handles things better by trying to figure out how an email provider wants and tries to follow those rules. So, the problem isn't that we just took the liberty of adding a bunch of people to a mailing list but rather over the last 3 or so years people have subscribed and but never got a confirmation and never received any email from the list. The list still had them. I had backups of all the lists that were only about 2 days before the server crashed. These exact lists were imported to the new mailing list sever. So, they were all email addresses that a user had to give us to be on that list at some point. Once we imported to the new list people who had never got an email are not getting emails from the list. And because of this there has been extremely high usage on the list with everyone saying ME TOO. We discovered yesterday that MailMan software has an Emergency Moderation feature so we turned that on so all of the ME TOO messages can be handled directly and everyone on the LegacyUG doesn't have to see all the unsubscribe me messages. It will probably take a while for the thousands who are now getting email work through the process of getting unsubscribed. We know people are saying they try to unsubscribe but when we try it the process just works every time so we don't know why so many people need help with that process. Hopefully we'll get that figured out soon so we don't have to spend so much time manually assisting so many people. Thanks, Ken McGinnis -- ___ Legacy-Nederlands mailing list Legacy-Nederlands@legacyusers.com http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacy-nederlands_legacyusers.com --- Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Legacy-Nederlands mailing list Legacy-Nederlands@legacyusers.com http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacy-nederlands_legacyusers.com
Re: [Legacy-Nederlands] Email problemen
Waarom krijg van iedereen mail ? Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 26 feb. 2016 om 15:26 heeft Theo Zeldershet volgende > geschreven: > > Beste medegebruikers van dit email adres, > > Na een groot aantal problemen en het uiteindelijk instorten van de > mail server van Millennia, is men daar overgegaan op een nieuwe server > en een ander mailprogramma. Dat heeft even voor veel verwarring > gezorgd, maar het schijnt nu weer redelijk te werken. Hieronder vind > je het bericht dat ons werd gestuurd ter toelichting op de problemen. > > Je hoeft het niet te lezen, maar ik stuur het toch maar even ter > informatie, voor diegenen die het mocht interesseren. > > Theo Zelders > _ > Our old mail server just died. We tried to get it fixed/restored. > After some attempt at that we ended up moving to a new server and list > server. We are using MailMan for our new list server. The SmarterMail > server we were using for lists was about 5 years old. A lot has > changed with mailing list servers during those years. > > Here is an explanation I have sent to a few really angry customers :) > === > Several websites changed how they accept mail from list servers. > So, about 1/3 of all subscribers never saw any email even though > they subscribed to the LegacyUserGroup list. > > The new DMARC rules and the digital signature PKI encryption have > pretty much broken all mail servers. Mail Servers change email > messages by adding headers or maybe footers to a message. They may > change the subject line to add something like [LegacyUG]. Also the > headers in the message that contain the deliverable address gets > modified by list servers. All of this fiddling with an email is > similar to what s p a m m e r s use. So, about 30% of all email > providers won't allow emails form mailing lists through. The newer > version of MailMan software that we moved to works better but isn't > perfect. It handles things better by trying to figure out how an > email provider wants and tries to follow those rules. > > So, the problem isn't that we just took the liberty of adding a bunch > of people to a mailing list but rather over the last 3 or so years > people have subscribed and but never got a confirmation and never > received any email from the list. The list still had them. I had > backups of all the lists that were only about 2 days before the server > crashed. These exact lists were imported to the new mailing list > sever. So, they were all email addresses that a user had to give us > to be on that list at some point. Once we imported to the new list > people who had never got an email are not getting emails from the > list. And because of this there has been extremely high usage on the > list with everyone saying ME TOO. > > We discovered yesterday that MailMan software has an Emergency > Moderation feature so we turned that on so all of the ME TOO messages > can be handled directly and everyone on the LegacyUG doesn't have to > see all the unsubscribe me messages. > > It will probably take a while for the thousands who are now getting > email work through the process of getting unsubscribed. We know > people are saying they try to unsubscribe but when we try it the > process just works every time so we don't know why so many people need > help with that process. Hopefully we'll get that figured out soon so > we don't have to spend so much time manually assisting so many people. > > Thanks, > Ken McGinnis > > -- > ___ > Legacy-Nederlands mailing list > Legacy-Nederlands@legacyusers.com > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacy-nederlands_legacyusers.com -- ___ Legacy-Nederlands mailing list Legacy-Nederlands@legacyusers.com http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacy-nederlands_legacyusers.com
[Legacy-Nederlands] Email problemen
Beste medegebruikers van dit email adres, Na een groot aantal problemen en het uiteindelijk instorten van de mail server van Millennia, is men daar overgegaan op een nieuwe server en een ander mailprogramma. Dat heeft even voor veel verwarring gezorgd, maar het schijnt nu weer redelijk te werken. Hieronder vind je het bericht dat ons werd gestuurd ter toelichting op de problemen. Je hoeft het niet te lezen, maar ik stuur het toch maar even ter informatie, voor diegenen die het mocht interesseren. Theo Zelders _ Our old mail server just died. We tried to get it fixed/restored. After some attempt at that we ended up moving to a new server and list server. We are using MailMan for our new list server. The SmarterMail server we were using for lists was about 5 years old. A lot has changed with mailing list servers during those years. Here is an explanation I have sent to a few really angry customers :) === Several websites changed how they accept mail from list servers. So, about 1/3 of all subscribers never saw any email even though they subscribed to the LegacyUserGroup list. The new DMARC rules and the digital signature PKI encryption have pretty much broken all mail servers. Mail Servers change email messages by adding headers or maybe footers to a message. They may change the subject line to add something like [LegacyUG]. Also the headers in the message that contain the deliverable address gets modified by list servers. All of this fiddling with an email is similar to what s p a m m e r s use. So, about 30% of all email providers won't allow emails form mailing lists through. The newer version of MailMan software that we moved to works better but isn't perfect. It handles things better by trying to figure out how an email provider wants and tries to follow those rules. So, the problem isn't that we just took the liberty of adding a bunch of people to a mailing list but rather over the last 3 or so years people have subscribed and but never got a confirmation and never received any email from the list. The list still had them. I had backups of all the lists that were only about 2 days before the server crashed. These exact lists were imported to the new mailing list sever. So, they were all email addresses that a user had to give us to be on that list at some point. Once we imported to the new list people who had never got an email are not getting emails from the list. And because of this there has been extremely high usage on the list with everyone saying ME TOO. We discovered yesterday that MailMan software has an Emergency Moderation feature so we turned that on so all of the ME TOO messages can be handled directly and everyone on the LegacyUG doesn't have to see all the unsubscribe me messages. It will probably take a while for the thousands who are now getting email work through the process of getting unsubscribed. We know people are saying they try to unsubscribe but when we try it the process just works every time so we don't know why so many people need help with that process. Hopefully we'll get that figured out soon so we don't have to spend so much time manually assisting so many people. Thanks, Ken McGinnis -- ___ Legacy-Nederlands mailing list Legacy-Nederlands@legacyusers.com http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacy-nederlands_legacyusers.com