Re: Digest for legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com - 10 updates in 2 topics

2017-01-25 Thread Harvey Matyas
I know the answer to that one, it's a classic.



On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:32 AM, Martin  wrote:

> Hello all, in regard to the argument Right or Left this was debated in
> my school and lead to the class doing a research lesson into it. The
> position in ancient times was as stated for the reasons of the sword
> arm. It goes further than this as to it also being the preferred or
> default side of the road which an advancing army would deploy to camp.
> This was the case as far back as the Romans. Due to this habit it became
> quite easy for spies to quickly determine which way an army was going
> simply by looking at the campsite.
> This lead to French generals during the early struggles for dominion of
> the Americas going counter contrary to camping and marching in order to
> put spies off the scent when they were at rest.  Napoléon was the
> General who actually changed the old rule to the new one based on the
> success of the tactic in the wars between the French and English in
> America. If you recall that the English were warring with the French way
> before the eventual arguments which lead to the breakup of the Americas
> into the form they now hold.
> Early wagon and coach travel would no doubt have followed the defacto
> left side due to the need to be able to use a whip and draw a gun. Early
> Americans were very much an independent and rebellious lot so the notion
> of rules telling you what side of the road to drive no would have always
> been a source of argument as to who had the right of way.
> There will no doubt be lots of issues making more of the debate such as
> the design of the American stagecoach but in general by the time of the
> coming of the motor car rules had to be drawn up as chaos on the roads
> was beginning to ensue. Early film of San Francisco and London as cars
> were becoming more mainstream show how there appears to be no Rule of
> which side do I drive at all. France and subsequently Independent
> America chose the right side due to their history and convention and
> Britain and it's dominions chose the left.
> The truth of the argument is there is no Right or Wrong (left) side it
> is all down to history.
> I do have one more gem regards a link from the Romans to the size of the
> International  Space station but that will have to wait.
>
> Now back to woodworking you lot!
>
> Martin
>
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2017, at 05:06 AM,
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com wrote:
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> >
> >   - Locals [3 Updates]
> > http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/
> t/8f5a230012bd12c1
> >   - aluminum extrusions [7 Updates]
> > http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/
> t/a4855d2017617aaa
> >
> >
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> > -- 1 of 3 --
> > From: MWF 
> > Date: Jan 23 05:41PM -0500
> > Url:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/msg/1de48ffa70220
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > Interesting "History lesson" you described below. I just found this old
> > email while searching for email from your personal email - vs The Groups.
> >
> > As I recall, there is a similar explanation as to which way spiral
> > staircases "spiral". The spiral direction is done that way in order for
> > the "defender" (the one "up" the staircase) to be able to effectively
> > wield his sword. While the "attacker/aggressor" is at a disadvantage
> > because his sword arm and "swing room" is restricted - unless they are
> > left-handed.
> >
> > Mac
> >
>
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Re: Digest for legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com - 10 updates in 2 topics

2017-01-25 Thread MWF
Richard,Was it the Swedes that "phased in" the switch?   (I'm part Swede)They had cars/trucks with odd numbered license plates switch over on Tuesday and then the even numbered plates on Wednesday. Or was that the French?Mac-Original Message-
From: Richard Ellis 
Sent: Jan 25, 2017 4:56 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Digest for legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com - 10 updates in 2 topics

I think Sweden did a change over a few years ago driving on roadsRichardOn Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 9:32:21 AM UTC, Martinsbootfair wrote:Hello all, in regard to the argument Right or Left this was debated in
my school and lead to the class doing a research lesson into it. The
position in ancient times was as stated for the reasons of the sword
arm. It goes further than this as to it also being the preferred or
default side of the road which an advancing army would deploy to camp.
This was the case as far back as the Romans. Due to this habit it became
quite easy for spies to quickly determine which way an army was going
simply by looking at the campsite.
This lead to French generals during the early struggles for dominion of
the Americas going counter contrary to camping and marching in order to
put spies off the scent when they were at rest.  Napoléon was the
General who actually changed the old rule to the new one based on the
success of the tactic in the wars between the French and English in
America. If you recall that the English were warring with the French way
before the eventual arguments which lead to the breakup of the Americas
into the form they now hold.
Early wagon and coach travel would no doubt have followed the defacto
left side due to the need to be able to use a whip and draw a gun. Early
Americans were very much an independent and rebellious lot so the notion
of rules telling you what side of the road to drive no would have always
been a source of argument as to who had the right of way. 
There will no doubt be lots of issues making more of the debate such as
the design of the American stagecoach but in general by the time of the
coming of the motor car rules had to be drawn up as chaos on the roads
was beginning to ensue. Early film of San Francisco and London as cars
were becoming more mainstream show how there appears to be no Rule of
which side do I drive at all. France and subsequently Independent
America chose the right side due to their history and convention and
Britain and it's dominions chose the left.
The truth of the argument is there is no Right or Wrong (left) side it
is all down to history.
I do have one more gem regards a link from the Romans to the size of the
International  Space station but that will have to wait.

Now back to woodworking you lot!

Martin

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017, at 05:06 AM,
legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com wrote:
> =
> Today's topic summary
> =
> Bill,
> 
> Interesting "History lesson" you described below. I just found this old
> email while searching for email from your personal email - vs The Groups.
> 
> As I recall, there is a similar explanation as to which way spiral
> staircases "spiral". The spiral direction is done that way in order for
> the "defender" (the one "up" the staircase) to be able to effectively
> wield his sword. While the "attacker/aggressor" is at a disadvantage
> because his sword arm and "swing room" is restricted - unless they are
> left-handed.
> 
> Mac






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Re: Digest for legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com - 10 updates in 2 topics

2017-01-25 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
I know the standard wheel spacing was determined by the width of two 
horses, so when the old rutted streets were starting to be used by 
anything different than the old chariot wheel base, it was a constant 
fight and would break wheels popping in and out of the ruts.  So when 
you see that limousine, sports car, or diesel truck rolling down the 
highway, it's wheel spacing was designated by a couple horses asses.
OK fine, I'll get back to work.


Mike OK


On 1/25/2017 3:32 AM, Martin wrote:

Hello all, in regard to the argument Right or Left this was debated in
my school and lead to the class doing a research lesson into it. The
position in ancient times was as stated for the reasons of the sword
arm. It goes further than this as to it also being the preferred or
default side of the road which an advancing army would deploy to camp.
This was the case as far back as the Romans. Due to this habit it became
quite easy for spies to quickly determine which way an army was going
simply by looking at the campsite.
This lead to French generals during the early struggles for dominion of
the Americas going counter contrary to camping and marching in order to
put spies off the scent when they were at rest.  Napoléon was the
General who actually changed the old rule to the new one based on the
success of the tactic in the wars between the French and English in
America. If you recall that the English were warring with the French way
before the eventual arguments which lead to the breakup of the Americas
into the form they now hold.
Early wagon and coach travel would no doubt have followed the defacto
left side due to the need to be able to use a whip and draw a gun. Early
Americans were very much an independent and rebellious lot so the notion
of rules telling you what side of the road to drive no would have always
been a source of argument as to who had the right of way.
There will no doubt be lots of issues making more of the debate such as
the design of the American stagecoach but in general by the time of the
coming of the motor car rules had to be drawn up as chaos on the roads
was beginning to ensue. Early film of San Francisco and London as cars
were becoming more mainstream show how there appears to be no Rule of
which side do I drive at all. France and subsequently Independent
America chose the right side due to their history and convention and
Britain and it's dominions chose the left.
The truth of the argument is there is no Right or Wrong (left) side it
is all down to history.
I do have one more gem regards a link from the Romans to the size of the
International  Space station but that will have to wait.

Now back to woodworking you lot!

Martin

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017, at 05:06 AM,
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com wrote:

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From: MWF 
Date: Jan 23 05:41PM -0500
Url:
http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/msg/1de48ffa70220

Bill,

Interesting "History lesson" you described below. I just found this old
email while searching for email from your personal email - vs The Groups.

As I recall, there is a similar explanation as to which way spiral
staircases "spiral". The spiral direction is done that way in order for
the "defender" (the one "up" the staircase) to be able to effectively
wield his sword. While the "attacker/aggressor" is at a disadvantage
because his sword arm and "swing room" is restricted - unless they are
left-handed.

Mac



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Re: Digest for legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com - 10 updates in 2 topics

2017-01-25 Thread Richard Ellis
I think Sweden did a change over a few years ago driving on roads
Richard

On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 9:32:21 AM UTC, Martinsbootfair wrote:
>
> Hello all, in regard to the argument Right or Left this was debated in 
> my school and lead to the class doing a research lesson into it. The 
> position in ancient times was as stated for the reasons of the sword 
> arm. It goes further than this as to it also being the preferred or 
> default side of the road which an advancing army would deploy to camp. 
> This was the case as far back as the Romans. Due to this habit it became 
> quite easy for spies to quickly determine which way an army was going 
> simply by looking at the campsite. 
> This lead to French generals during the early struggles for dominion of 
> the Americas going counter contrary to camping and marching in order to 
> put spies off the scent when they were at rest.  Napoléon was the 
> General who actually changed the old rule to the new one based on the 
> success of the tactic in the wars between the French and English in 
> America. If you recall that the English were warring with the French way 
> before the eventual arguments which lead to the breakup of the Americas 
> into the form they now hold. 
> Early wagon and coach travel would no doubt have followed the defacto 
> left side due to the need to be able to use a whip and draw a gun. Early 
> Americans were very much an independent and rebellious lot so the notion 
> of rules telling you what side of the road to drive no would have always 
> been a source of argument as to who had the right of way. 
> There will no doubt be lots of issues making more of the debate such as 
> the design of the American stagecoach but in general by the time of the 
> coming of the motor car rules had to be drawn up as chaos on the roads 
> was beginning to ensue. Early film of San Francisco and London as cars 
> were becoming more mainstream show how there appears to be no Rule of 
> which side do I drive at all. France and subsequently Independent 
> America chose the right side due to their history and convention and 
> Britain and it's dominions chose the left. 
> The truth of the argument is there is no Right or Wrong (left) side it 
> is all down to history. 
> I do have one more gem regards a link from the Romans to the size of the 
> International  Space station but that will have to wait. 
>
> Now back to woodworking you lot! 
>
> Martin 
>
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2017, at 05:06 AM, 
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  wrote: 
> > 
> = 
>
> > Today's topic summary 
> > 
> = 
>
> > 
> > Group: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
> > Url: 
> >   
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/legacy-ornamental-mills/topics
>  
> > 
> > 
> >   - Locals [3 Updates] 
> > 
> http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/t/8f5a230012bd12c1 
> >   - aluminum extrusions [7 Updates] 
> > 
> http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/t/a4855d2017617aaa 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> = 
>
> > Topic: Locals 
> > Url: 
> > 
> http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/t/8f5a230012bd12c1 
> > 
> = 
>
> > 
> > -- 1 of 3 -- 
> > From: MWF > 
> > Date: Jan 23 05:41PM -0500 
> > Url: 
> > http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/msg/1de48ffa70220 
> > 
> > Bill, 
> > 
> > Interesting "History lesson" you described below. I just found this old 
> > email while searching for email from your personal email - vs The 
> Groups. 
> > 
> > As I recall, there is a similar explanation as to which way spiral 
> > staircases "spiral". The spiral direction is done that way in order for 
> > the "defender" (the one "up" the staircase) to be able to effectively 
> > wield his sword. While the "attacker/aggressor" is at a disadvantage 
> > because his sword arm and "swing room" is restricted - unless they are 
> > left-handed. 
> > 
> > Mac 
> > 
>
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Re: Digest for legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com - 10 updates in 2 topics

2017-01-25 Thread Martin
Hello all, in regard to the argument Right or Left this was debated in
my school and lead to the class doing a research lesson into it. The
position in ancient times was as stated for the reasons of the sword
arm. It goes further than this as to it also being the preferred or
default side of the road which an advancing army would deploy to camp.
This was the case as far back as the Romans. Due to this habit it became
quite easy for spies to quickly determine which way an army was going
simply by looking at the campsite.
This lead to French generals during the early struggles for dominion of
the Americas going counter contrary to camping and marching in order to
put spies off the scent when they were at rest.  Napoléon was the
General who actually changed the old rule to the new one based on the
success of the tactic in the wars between the French and English in
America. If you recall that the English were warring with the French way
before the eventual arguments which lead to the breakup of the Americas
into the form they now hold.
Early wagon and coach travel would no doubt have followed the defacto
left side due to the need to be able to use a whip and draw a gun. Early
Americans were very much an independent and rebellious lot so the notion
of rules telling you what side of the road to drive no would have always
been a source of argument as to who had the right of way. 
There will no doubt be lots of issues making more of the debate such as
the design of the American stagecoach but in general by the time of the
coming of the motor car rules had to be drawn up as chaos on the roads
was beginning to ensue. Early film of San Francisco and London as cars
were becoming more mainstream show how there appears to be no Rule of
which side do I drive at all. France and subsequently Independent
America chose the right side due to their history and convention and
Britain and it's dominions chose the left.
The truth of the argument is there is no Right or Wrong (left) side it
is all down to history.
I do have one more gem regards a link from the Romans to the size of the
International  Space station but that will have to wait.

Now back to woodworking you lot!

Martin

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017, at 05:06 AM,
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com wrote:
> =
> Today's topic summary
> =
> 
> Group: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Url: 
>   
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/legacy-ornamental-mills/topics
> 
> 
>   - Locals [3 Updates]
> http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/t/8f5a230012bd12c1
>   - aluminum extrusions [7 Updates]
> http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/t/a4855d2017617aaa
> 
> 
> =
> Topic: Locals
> Url:
> http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/t/8f5a230012bd12c1
> =
> 
> -- 1 of 3 --
> From: MWF 
> Date: Jan 23 05:41PM -0500
> Url:
> http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/msg/1de48ffa70220
> 
> Bill,
> 
> Interesting "History lesson" you described below. I just found this old
> email while searching for email from your personal email - vs The Groups.
> 
> As I recall, there is a similar explanation as to which way spiral
> staircases "spiral". The spiral direction is done that way in order for
> the "defender" (the one "up" the staircase) to be able to effectively
> wield his sword. While the "attacker/aggressor" is at a disadvantage
> because his sword arm and "swing room" is restricted - unless they are
> left-handed.
> 
> Mac
> 

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