Re: U.K. Legacys

[MWF]

Dexter,I hate to put it this way - but, like you alluded to, I think the embalming/coffin way of burying folks, is a "dying" business. (Pun intended.)Two aspects of cremation are what is spelling the demise of embalming & coffin burials:1. Cost comparisons - Cremation is much less expensive.2.  Environmental/"Green-ness" - MUCH less ground space (NONE if the survivors keep the urn on a shelf in their home.) needed - no "large burial plot needed.  I could bury a family of 10 or more in the area needed for ONE coffin!I know that when I have heard folks discuss their plans for older family members who are approaching the sunset of their lives, Cremation leads with ~65%. Another "beauty" (advantage) of cremation is that there is no needed sense of urgency to "Bury the corpse".  "Grandpa" can rest on the mantle in the living room for months or years! I'm pleased to see that at least ONE person caught the "humor" of my reply to Roger.Have a Great week.Mac-Original Message-
From: Dexter Bland 
Sent: Apr 5, 2017 5:12 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Cc: mwfos...@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: U.K. Legacys

Mac,I wondered if anyone else picked up on the dead coffin business comment. Maybe cremation is getting more popular.I was asked to build someone a coffin once for someone's grandmother that was in bad health. Turned down the job due to the short amount of time they gave to complete.  I was unsure if there were any state requirements on the enclosure, where to get the hardware, and just totally unfamiliar with design considerations other than the general LxWxH. Never did any research to answer any of my questions. DBOn Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 10:54:02 AM UTC-5, Va Oak wrote:Roger,Interesting info. - thanks for sharing.Regarding your answer "f." below:When a coffin making business dies, who makes the coffin for IT? (I couldn't resist - your choice of words for the demise of the company set this one up. Intentional on your part?This Group needs some occasional levity.)Blessings to all.Mac











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Re: U.K. Legacys

[Dexter Bland]

Mac,
I wondered if anyone else picked up on the dead coffin business comment. 
Maybe cremation is getting more popular.

I was asked to build someone a coffin once for someone's grandmother that 
was in bad health. Turned down the job due to the short amount of time they 
gave to complete.  I was unsure if there were any state requirements on the 
enclosure, where to get the hardware, and just totally unfamiliar with 
design considerations other than the general LxWxH. Never did any research 
to answer any of my questions. 

DB

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 10:54:02 AM UTC-5, Va Oak wrote:

> Roger,
>
> Interesting info. - thanks for sharing.
> Regarding your answer "f." below:
>
> When a coffin making business dies, who makes the coffin for IT? 
> (I couldn't resist - your choice of words for the demise of the company 
> set this one up. Intentional on your part?
> This Group needs some occasional levity.)
>
> Blessings to all.
> Mac 
>
>

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Re: U.K. Legacys

[Bawdsey64]

​Hi Richard
I also signed OSA and like wise in commerce I have signed similar documents but 
where I receive Commercial in Confidence information it stays with me.

Only a couple of hours ago I was told something in Commercial in Confidence, 
and in the last couple months other things have come along and so "Mum's the 
word".

I am only doing what Winston Churchill asked!
Cheers
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From: Richard Ellis
Received: 05/04/2017 17:41:17 +01:00
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
CC: rchrd.ell...@gmail.com, Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com
Roger
I know about the O.S.A.s   (official secrets acts ) but as I, was also in the 
R.A.F. This little bit of secrecy is taking it too far, by the way ,I too 
served on a a couple of Signal units in Germany close to the East German 
border. We also had the British army with us but no red caps, just us.
Had a spell up on the Baltic coast also.
Before I joined up in the RAF for the second time I had a spell in the Merchant 
Navy, P  Liners and  Esso Tankers.
I think C .G. was in the U.S Navy
All great fun
Richard

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​The answer is no I have not used it and probably won't. But wait and see.
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From: Richard Ellis
Received: 05/04/2017 13:11:01 +01:00
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Thanks Roger
Have you used your LOM yet???

 The answer that you gave in line "a"  is about right as far as Legacy is 
concerned , I myself would not ever buy anything from them with their practice 
of not answering Emails.
I have been running my own company for a very great time and would never have 
treated my customers like they appear to do. As I did say before, you see 
things in a different light as one of their dealers/agents
I have dealt with Yandles  and in my opinion are a great firm, be a bit 
expensive to make coffins nowadays from Elm, I have felled thousands of the 
trees before and after the Elm disease such a shame as next to Oak was my 
favorite tree.
Cheers
Richard

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 10:25:18 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote:
Perhaps Roger can help- been wondering if my Woodchuck was the only 
one ever imported to the U.K. and of course how many L.O.M.s are there over 
here.
Also wondering how the  sales of the C.N.C.s at the Newark U.K. woodworking 
show went ---did they sell many??
Don't seem to hear anything about the show on any of the woodworking forums.
Cheers
Richard
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Re: U.K. Legacys

[Richard Ellis]

Roger
I know about the O.S.A.s   (official secrets acts ) but as I, was also in 
the R.A.F. This little bit of secrecy is taking it too far, by the way ,I 
too served on a a couple of Signal units in Germany close to the East 
German border. We also had the British army with us but no *red caps,* just 
us.
Had a spell up on the Baltic coast also.
Before I joined up in the RAF for the second time I had a spell in the 
Merchant Navy, P  Liners and  Esso Tankers.
I think C .G. was in the U.S Navy
All great fun
Richard

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 1:27:32 PM UTC+1, ITwoodwork wrote:
>
> ​The answer is no I have not used it and probably won't. But wait and see.
>
> Roger & out!
>
>
> Sent from TouchMail for Windows 10 
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> ​
>
>
> *From:* Richard Ellis
> *Received:* 05/04/2017 13:11:01 +01:00
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Thanks Roger
> Have you used your LOM yet???
>  The answer that you gave in line "a"  is about right as far as Legacy is 
> concerned , I myself would not ever buy anything from them with their 
> practice of not answering Emails.
> I have been running my own company for a very great time and would never 
> have treated my customers like they appear to do. As I did say before, you 
> see things in a different light as one of their dealers/agents
> I have dealt with Yandles  and in my opinion are a great firm, be a bit 
> expensive to make coffins nowadays from Elm, I have felled thousands of the 
> trees before and after the Elm disease such a shame as next to Oak was my 
> favorite tree.
> Cheers
> Richard
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 10:25:18 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps Roger can help- been wondering if my Woodchuck was 
>> the only one ever imported to the U.K. and of course how many L.O.M.s are 
>> there over here.
>> Also wondering how the  sales of the C.N.C.s at the Newark U.K. 
>> woodworking show went ---did they sell many??
>> Don't seem to hear anything about the show on any of the woodworking 
>> forums.
>> Cheers
>> Richard
>>
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Re: U.K. Legacys

[MWF]

Roger,Interesting info. - thanks for sharing.Regarding your answer "f." below:When a coffin making business dies, who makes the coffin for IT? (I couldn't resist - your choice of words for the demise of the company set this one up. Intentional on your part?This Group needs some occasional levity.)Blessings to all.Mac-Original Message-
From: Bawdsey64 
Sent: Apr 5, 2017 5:50 AM
To: Richard Ellis , Mike Pung 
Subject: Re: U.K. Legacys

​Hi RichardThe answers to your questions are:-a. I think you and your Woodchuck are on your own.b. Nearly 100 Legacy Mills in UKc. How many CNC were sold at Newark wood working show - I don't know and if I did I would not say because if I did it would have been a "Commercial Confidence" and as such I keep them to myself.d. You do not go to a show expecting to sell a CNC, a show is there for the vendor to do a "Show & Tell" and as such I know the guys were more than happy with the prospects or as I prefer to call them "suspects". Prospects in my book are when suspects have been qualified.e. The show was well attended and depending what you went for I have no doubt people were happy.f. This Friday & Saturday is the Yandles Show down in the west country. A different kind of show as the venue is a wood yard. At one time Yandles made over 40% of all the coffins sold in UK but the business died. Free entry and a good day out, good café and restaurant!  CheersRogerTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills

Perhaps Roger can help- been wondering if my Woodchuck was the only one ever imported to the U.K. and of course how many L.O.M.s are there over here.Also wondering how the  sales of the C.N.C.s at the Newark U.K. woodworking show went ---did they sell many??Don't seem to hear anything about the show on any of the woodworking forums.CheersRichard








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Re: Milling on the Legacy

[CURTIS GEORGE]

Hello Richard 
I too air dry much of my own wood. But I have tried a number of different 
approaches over the years. 
If I'm working with Green Wood, (again for fun.) I like to turn first, and then 
ether brown bag my work. (that is put the idiom in one or two brown paper bags 
and seal the bag's top. This keeps the moisture form escaping quickly thus the 
wood stays more stable...) I have also used PEG. and boiling the wood to keep 
it stable . And on oaks and other open grained wood, Oiling works well. 

Oiling , an old sailor, told me that when the sail ships were in use, and when 
they needed to replace the mast. they would cut down a tree from the woods, and 
mount it on the ship. the boatswain would drill a hole on the top of the new 
mast and pore oil in the hole, and keep poring oil in the hole everyday until 
the oil gets to the bottom of the mast. i was told the idea was to have the oil 
replace to water in the wood, keeping the wood form cracking as it dried. when 
I have used this technique ,I oil the top and the sides of the wood, I have had 
very good success on my older Mook Jongs, (10"X 6' logs) a martial art 
tool/dummy. I use tung oil/ lensead oil mixture. with very good results. 

I also know that the vikings use to sink there felled trees in the bogs, and 
keep them there until they were ready for use. Perhaps the bogs water would 
keep the wood from drying out, keeping the wood stable. 
I also know when wooden boats have been out of the water for a long time. 
(winter) the boats needed to be flooded (that is filled with water.) for a day 
or two before they were sea worthy again. Again Wood and water, but in this 
case the wood swells to make the boat water tight. (same but different.) ;-p 

Many methods, some work better then others. but that is all part of the process 
of learning. 

gota run. 
Have a good day. 
C.A.G. 

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From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Cc: curtgeo...@wowway.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 4:27:35 AM 
Subject: Re: Milling on the Legacy 

Hi Curtis, strange thing has happened the post I first put on about milling has 
disappeared, don't know why 
I used to have a very small sawmill  and that is small by U.K. 
standards-- I did stick a lot of oak that I planked, and used it for 
staircase and other stuff when I built my own house. 
The messing about now with different bits of wood, is a different sort of 
thing. 
Sticking :: dry sticks, all the same thickness place at intervals along the 
planks one above the other, The sticks at the ends not too far in, then I just 
air dry 
If a small amount, I place weights on top to stop them curling 
upand then of course patience , that is the hardest part !! 
Richard 

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:09:56 PM UTC+1, Curtis wrote: 


Good for you Richard! 
Over the years, I have processed a lot of my own wood. Now the bigger question, 
what now? Are you going to sticker the wood, and let it air dry? or do you have 
some kind of quicker drying method in mind? If so I would very much like to 
know. 
C.A.G. 


From: "Richard Ellis" < rchrd@gmail.com > 
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" < legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 5:20:54 AM 
Subject: Milling on the Legacy 

I have the old Woodchuck and a few weeks ago I had a round log of wood, 8 
inches in dia. and wanted to plank it into 1 inch boards, my bandsaw does not 
have a moving table so I milled two flats on the log along the length90 
degrees to one another . Using a half inch metal milling cutter Bit slow but a 
cheap cutter from Far East.Then onto the bandsaw ,giving straight cuts every 
time 
It did a excellent job 
Richard 



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Re: U.K. Legacys

[Bawdsey64]

​The answer is no I have not used it and probably won't. But wait and see.
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From: Richard Ellis
Received: 05/04/2017 13:11:01 +01:00
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Thanks Roger
Have you used your LOM yet???

 The answer that you gave in line "a"  is about right as far as Legacy is 
concerned , I myself would not ever buy anything from them with their practice 
of not answering Emails.
I have been running my own company for a very great time and would never have 
treated my customers like they appear to do. As I did say before, you see 
things in a different light as one of their dealers/agents
I have dealt with Yandles  and in my opinion are a great firm, be a bit 
expensive to make coffins nowadays from Elm, I have felled thousands of the 
trees before and after the Elm disease such a shame as next to Oak was my 
favorite tree.
Cheers
Richard

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 10:25:18 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote:
Perhaps Roger can help- been wondering if my Woodchuck was the only 
one ever imported to the U.K. and of course how many L.O.M.s are there over 
here.
Also wondering how the  sales of the C.N.C.s at the Newark U.K. woodworking 
show went ---did they sell many??
Don't seem to hear anything about the show on any of the woodworking forums.
Cheers
Richard
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Re: U.K. Legacys

[Richard Ellis]

Thanks Roger
Have you used your LOM yet???
 The answer that you gave in line "a"  is about right as far as Legacy is 
concerned , I myself would not ever buy anything from them with their 
practice of not answering Emails.
I have been running my own company for a very great time and would never 
have treated my customers like they appear to do. As I did say before, you 
see things in a different light as one of their dealers/agents
I have dealt with Yandles  and in my opinion are a great firm, be a bit 
expensive to make coffins nowadays from Elm, I have felled thousands of the 
trees before and after the Elm disease such a shame as next to Oak was my 
favorite tree.
Cheers
Richard

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 10:25:18 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote:
>
> Perhaps Roger can help- been wondering if my Woodchuck was the 
> only one ever imported to the U.K. and of course how many L.O.M.s are there 
> over here.
> Also wondering how the  sales of the C.N.C.s at the Newark U.K. 
> woodworking show went ---did they sell many??
> Don't seem to hear anything about the show on any of the woodworking 
> forums.
> Cheers
> Richard
>

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Re: U.K. Legacys

[Bawdsey64]

​Hi Richard
The answers to your questions are:-
a. I think you and your Woodchuck are on your own.
b. Nearly 100 Legacy Mills in UK
c. How many CNC were sold at Newark wood working show - I don't know and if I 
did I would not say because if I did it would have been a "Commercial 
Confidence" and as such I keep them to myself.
d. You do not go to a show expecting to sell a CNC, a show is there for the 
vendor to do a "Show & Tell" and as such I know the guys were more than happy 
with the prospects or as I prefer to call them "suspects". Prospects in my book 
are when suspects have been qualified.
e. The show was well attended and depending what you went for I have no doubt 
people were happy.
f. This Friday & Saturday is the Yandles Show down in the west country. A 
different kind of show as the venue is a wood yard. At one time Yandles made 
over 40% of all the coffins sold in UK but the business died. Free entry and a 
good day out, good café and restaurant! 

Cheers
Roger
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one ever imported to the U.K. and of course how many L.O.M.s are there over 
here.
Also wondering how the  sales of the C.N.C.s at the Newark U.K. woodworking 
show went ---did they sell many??
Don't seem to hear anything about the show on any of the woodworking forums.
Cheers
Richard
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U.K. Legacys

[Richard Ellis]

Perhaps Roger can help- been wondering if my Woodchuck was the 
only one ever imported to the U.K. and of course how many L.O.M.s are there 
over here.
Also wondering how the  sales of the C.N.C.s at the Newark U.K. woodworking 
show went ---did they sell many??
Don't seem to hear anything about the show on any of the woodworking forums.
Cheers
Richard

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Re: Milling on the Legacy

[Richard Ellis]

Hi Curtis, strange thing has happened the post I first put on about milling 
has disappeared, don't know why
I used to have a very small sawmill  and that is small by U.K. 
standards-- I did stick a lot of oak that I planked, and used it 
for staircase and other stuff when I built my own house.
The messing about now with different bits of wood, is a different sort of 
thing.
Sticking :: dry sticks, all the same thickness place at intervals along the 
planks one above the other, The sticks at the ends not too far in, then I 
just air dry
If a small amount, I place weights on top to stop them curling 
upand then of course patience , that is the hardest part 
!!
Richard

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:09:56 PM UTC+1, Curtis wrote:
>
> Good for you Richard!
> Over the years, I have processed a lot of my own wood.  Now the bigger 
> question, what now? Are you going to sticker the wood, and let it air dry? 
> or do you have some kind of quicker drying method in mind? If so I would 
> very much like to know.
> C.A.G.
>
> --
> *From: *"Richard Ellis" 
> *To: *"Legacy Ornamental Mills"  >
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 4, 2017 5:20:54 AM
> *Subject: *Milling on the Legacy
>
> I have the old Woodchuck and a few weeks ago I had a  round log of wood, 8 
> inches in dia. and wanted to plank it into 1 inch boards, my bandsaw does 
> not have a moving table so I milled two flats on the log  along the 
> length90 degrees to one another .  Using a half inch metal milling 
> cutter  Bit slow but a cheap cutter from Far East.Then onto the bandsaw 
> ,giving straight cuts every time
> It did a excellent job
> Richard
>
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Re: Milling on the Legacy

[Richard Ellis]

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 10:20:54 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote:
>
> I have the old Woodchuck and a few weeks ago I had a  round log of wood, 8 
> inches in dia. and wanted to plank it into 1 inch boards, my bandsaw does 
> not have a moving table so I milled two flats on the log  along the 
> length90 degrees to one another .  Using a half inch *metal milling 
> cutter*  Bit slow but a cheap cutter from Far East.Then onto the bandsaw 
> ,giving straight cuts every time
> It did a excellent job
> Richard
>

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