Re: Tim's wave attachment
I think I'm seeing the problem much clearer now. I need to sleep on it to come up with a good answer. At this moment, I would suggest using a template in a sinewave form on the flats. That way you could do several rows of waves. I think that's a better option than trying to use reciprocator. I'll sleep on it! -Tim On Feb 27, 2018, 11:09 PM, at 11:09 PM, Richard Ellis wrote: >Tim >I have been finding it difficult to centre the wave on the octagon ( >One >face ) I think When in the shed next I will fix the wood in place using >the >Revo locking pin /plate and then make sure the Wave index pin also >lines up >in a hole. Hope it works??? >You will see by the pics ,although they are not too clear. > >On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 5:41:31 AM UTC, Tim wrote: >> >> A thought comes to mind. Since the Revo cannot use a double locking >> collar, I would make the stock an octogon on the Revo, then make your > >> waves. I'm still trying to figure out the wandering wave problem. I >think >> photos will reveal the mystery. >> >> -Tim >> On Feb 27, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Richard Ellis > > wrote: >>> >>> Yes Tim >>> The peaks were indeed deeper on the outside as I expected. Now how >to get >>> the wooden object level. When I screwed the drive dog/plate on It >was not >>> leaving the flat of the octagon level with the carriage, The 24 hole >drive >>> plate did not quite line up,, I may in future have to do a light >planing >>> cut . >>> Or find a plate with more index holes. >>> My last wave was not only off center it wandered to one side, and of > >>> course it went deeper --looked a bit strange. I could not see >the >>> reason When I take a pic. I will high-lite with a marker pen I >don't think >>> the carriage moved as I pencil marked it position before starting >>> The wood I am using is very wooly maybe willow or poplar-- only >fit >>> to practise with >>> Richard >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:24:23 AM UTC, Tim wrote: I'm waiting for photos before commenting. Putting waves on a flat surface was never in the plan so this could be a very interesting >thread. The first thing that comes to mind is the depth of the cut would be > deeper at each peak of the waves. The center of the wave is of >course the original depth set. This is because of the arc of the cut. Does >this make sense? Tim On Feb 26, 2018, at 9:15 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental >Mills < legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Richard The wave attachment is one tool that I know pretty well. > > There is one trick that most people do not use, when using this > attachment,The trick is to mark your gears before you start, after >the cut > has been made, > you dis-en-gauge your lead screw, and bring the unit back to the > starting point, Then drive your machine until the marks on the >gears are in > line again, then re-en-gauge your drive screw or index for the >next cut. > > If you want to do a number of indexes, it is safer to start form >the > same point, and then index to the next cut instead of relining on >the gears > to keep a constant... > > Is this all necessary? No. But on the wave attachment if the arm >has > moved on the other side of the swing of your starting point was, >your > wave/pitch will be cut in a different direction. > > I hope this helps? > > I have to get to work now. > talk to you all more latter. > > C.A.G. > > > > > > > On Monday, February 26, 2018 11:50 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy > Ornamental Mills wrote: > > > > Richard Ellis > To > Legacy Ornamental Mills > Today at 8:37 AM > Hi Curt > The last Wave certainly did not work out, and I am at a complete >loss > as to why. Will get a pic later. > It is bright sunshine here @ 13.30 and is starting to snow. The >worlds > gone mad!! > Richard > > On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 1:15:23 PM UTC, Curt George wrote: > > > Hey Richard. > can you send us a picture, even if it did not work out as planed, >I > would like to see what you did. > C.A.G. > > > On Monday, February 26, 2018 3:42 AM, Richard Ellis < > rchrd@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yesterday I had a 2 1/2 inch square piece of wood in the Revo 20 >inches > long. Used a planing cutter to make it into a octagon , then >using Tims > Recprocator I did trial runs of waves on different faces, I think >I should > have moved one of the gears one tooth as the waves were just off >center. > Why did I do it? who knows!! All good practice > Richard > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. > To unsubscribe from
Re: Tim's wave attachment
Hello and Good morning RichardCan you take some more pictures of your cutting set-up? Are you using a re-coil spring on your wave attachment? I would suggest to make a test set of cuts, and this time use a round spindle, make one cut and then indexand make another cut next to the first.( a few sets of cuts should show us what we need?) The goal is to see if you can get uniformity of your cuts, Your use an octagon looks neat, but its hard to see what went wrong in these photos . Perhaps you could mark the mid section of the octagons flats with a marker, this way you would have a uniformed starting point on each spindle to index to? At this point all I can do is suggest different ideas, But what We really need at this moment is more detail on what is happening.Have a great day.C.A.G. On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 2:09 AM, Richard Ellis wrote: TimI have been finding it difficult to centre the wave on the octagon ( One face ) I think When in the shed next I will fix the wood in place using the Revo locking pin /plate and then make sure the Wave index pin also lines up in a hole. Hope it works???You will see by the pics ,although they are not too clear. On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 5:41:31 AM UTC, Tim wrote: A thought comes to mind. Since the Revo cannot use a double locking collar, I would make the stock an octogon on the Revo, then make your waves. I'm still trying to figure out the wandering wave problem. I think photos will reveal the mystery. -TimOn Feb 27, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Richard Ellis wrote: Yes Tim The peaks were indeed deeper on the outside as I expected. Now how to get the wooden object level. When I screwed the drive dog/plate on It was not leaving the flat of the octagon level with the carriage, The 24 hole drive plate did not quite line up,, I may in future have to do a light planing cut .Or find a plate with more index holes.My last wave was not only off center it wandered to one side, and of course it went deeper --looked a bit strange. I could not see the reason When I take a pic. I will high-lite with a marker pen I don't think the carriage moved as I pencil marked it position before startingThe wood I am using is very wooly maybe willow or poplar-- only fit to practise with Richard On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:24:23 AM UTC, Tim wrote: I'm waiting for photos before commenting. Putting waves on a flat surface was never in the plan so this could be a very interesting thread. The first thing that comes to mind is the depth of the cut would be deeper at each peak of the waves. The center of the wave is of course the original depth set. This is because of the arc of the cut. Does this make sense? TimOn Feb 26, 2018, at 9:15 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: Richard The wave attachment is one tool that I know pretty well. There is one trick that most people do not use, when using this attachment,The trick is to mark your gears before you start, after the cut has been made, you dis-en-gauge your lead screw, and bring the unit back to the starting point, Then drive your machine until the marks on the gears are in line again, then re-en-gauge your drive screw or index for the next cut. If you want to do a number of indexes, it is safer to start form the same point, and then index to the next cut instead of relining on the gears to keep a constant... Is this all necessary? No. But on the wave attachment if the arm has moved on the other side of the swing of your starting point was, your wave/pitch will be cut in a different direction. I hope this helps? I have to get to work now. talk to you all more latter. C.A.G. On Monday, February 26, 2018 11:50 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: Richard Ellis To Legacy Ornamental Mills Today at 8:37 AM Hi Curt The last Wave certainly did not work out, and I am at a complete loss as to why. Will get a pic later. It is bright sunshine here @ 13.30 and is starting to snow. The worlds gone mad!! Richard On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 1:15:23 PM UTC, Curt George wrote: Hey Richard. can you send us a picture, even if it did not work out as planed, I would like to see what you did. C.A.G. On Monday, February 26, 2018 3:42 AM, Richard Ellis wrote: Yesterday I had a 2 1/2 inch square piece of wood in the Revo 20 inches long. Used a planing cutter to make it into a octagon , then using Tims Recprocator I did trial runs of waves on different faces, I think I should have moved one of the gears one tooth as the waves were just off center. Why did I do it? who knows!! All good practice Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving
Re: why a legacy?
Nicely said Joe.Legacy worked hard and did come up with a lot of good info on how there machines work.No complaints on this topic. C.A.G. On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 12:19 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: I started a new topic for this because, as Tim mentioned, it is better for searching at a future date...and this subject has been discussed before as well as just recently... in regards to doing spiral work on a lathe, and the number of companies that sell attachments and/or accessories to multi-fit all kinds of lathes, I was again, going through some "stuff" in our quest to move the shop, and found the instruction manual that came with the Vega spiral attachment that I purchased a number of years ago(see attachments)...note the hand drawn, pencil sketch of the attachment, done by someone who it seems, missed a number of art classes when going to school...LOL!...I mention this because every once in a while I see things like this and it comes to light how well Legacy made, marketed and educated their customers on the use of their machines... also understand that Vega is no slouch in the aftermarket field of lathe duplicators...I might even say that they are the leader in that field...and yet they put out a manual as crude and primitive as what they did... again, just to show how much time the Legacy company put into their equipment on an all around basis, especially when compared to what some other companies are doing... I won't even get into quality, longevity, etc. as legacy certainly has proven that they lead in those departments...and we might not always be happy with some of the decisions they made(on a per case basis!), but I for one am sure glad they did make their machinery as well as they did and the fact that you can see it offered on ebay, craigslist, etc. says it all...I don't think I will ever see a Vega spiral attachment on ebay, or that flute master thing, LOL!...just a commentary, since I did just find my owner's manual for the Vega , which I tried to find a download on their site, and could not find(anywhere!)...joe b.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.