Re: milling work, not on a legacy

2018-03-06 Thread Tim Krause 
Joe, is this your machine?  I'd like to see more details of the cutter.  In 
past articles of fine woodworking magazine there have been some articles 
showing some pretty crude router bits ground from files and loose steel pieces. 
 A bit spinning at less than say 6-8000 rotations a minute could be relatively 
safe and still be able to cut even if the bit is unbalanced to some degree.  
With a single cutter we are really talking about a tool called a fly cutter.  
Wouldn't you agree?

I also like the simple method of indexing the piece.  Thanks for showing 
interest this on such a slow news month.

Tim

On Mar 5, 2018, 11:41 AM, at 11:41 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbePcJqN6O4=youtu.be
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>here is another attempt!
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Re: milling work, not on a legacy

2018-03-06 Thread 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjX1wkF_nZg=youtu.be


here is a video showing a French spindle at work...the difference being 
that this factory has flipped the spindle 90 degrees so the spindle is now 
horizontal... but it still is a single knife, ground to the desired 
profile(in this case a typical French style chair leg/back stile)  placed 
in a slot in the spindle... the attached photo is from the same video... 
note how the leg is riding against the spinning spindle and the "pointer" 
sets the distance of the cut from the edge of the leg...this set up allows 
the leg to go up and down and in and out, to follow the complex curves of 
the leg... this is fast and easy, but requires a skilled craftsman to do 
this type of work... now it is computerized machinery that does the job, in 
a method that mimics what is in the video... progress?... I am not so 
sure... but we all carry on as a dying breed!...LOL!...my best to all...joe 
b.



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Re: milling work, not on a legacy

2018-03-06 Thread Richard Ellis 
Hi Joe
I think Mike does, and has done something similar, when side 
cutting/routing.
Richard

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 3:22:53 PM UTC, joe biunno wrote:
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> hi Richard!... you can only do one reed or one flute at a time...unless 
> you were doing a flat piece, like a pilaster that has three flutes, for 
> example... just grind a single knife that would have three flute cutters 
> with the proper spacing between the cutters...adjust the height  of the 
> spindle and begin cutting... the benefit being all is done in one pass... 
> of course, this would be done when doing a considerable amount of 
> footage...if doing a small number of pilasters, simply cut one at a time, 
> adjusting the height of the spindle for each flute location...but if the 
> piece is round, such as a leg, bed post, pole, vase etc., you can only do 
> the one cut at a time, much like you would do on a legacy... the big 
> benefit of using this type of spindle, is that you can easily grind the 
> knife you need to any custom shape required to do any job... and that you 
> only need the one knife, not two, as done on today's typical shaper 
> heads...with the key factor that you only do small milling cuts into your 
> work piece... it's when you begin to get "greedy" and use larger knives, is 
> when this type of set-up is dangerous to use... again, none of this is 
> directly legacy related, but there is/was a set up for use in a router that 
> would allow a person to grind their own profile, which would mimic this 
> operation and thus allow a legacy user to not be confined to existing 
> router bits or having custom router bits made to suit their project...joe 
> bok, just edited this post to include a photo of the router bit set up 
> I was referring to
>
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Re: milling work, not on a legacy

2018-03-06 Thread 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
hi Richard!... you can only do one reed or one flute at a time...unless you 
were doing a flat piece, like a pilaster that has three flutes, for 
example... just grind a single knife that would have three flute cutters 
with the proper spacing between the cutters...adjust the height  of the 
spindle and begin cutting... the benefit being all is done in one pass... 
of course, this would be done when doing a considerable amount of 
footage...if doing a small number of pilasters, simply cut one at a time, 
adjusting the height of the spindle for each flute location...but if the 
piece is round, such as a leg, bed post, pole, vase etc., you can only do 
the one cut at a time, much like you would do on a legacy... the big 
benefit of using this type of spindle, is that you can easily grind the 
knife you need to any custom shape required to do any job... and that you 
only need the one knife, not two, as done on today's typical shaper 
heads...with the key factor that you only do small milling cuts into your 
work piece... it's when you begin to get "greedy" and use larger knives, is 
when this type of set-up is dangerous to use... again, none of this is 
directly legacy related, but there is/was a set up for use in a router that 
would allow a person to grind their own profile, which would mimic this 
operation and thus allow a legacy user to not be confined to existing 
router bits or having custom router bits made to suit their project...joe b.


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Re: milling work, not on a legacy

2018-03-06 Thread Richard Ellis 
Very interesting, it's always nice to see other ideas at work. Does it do 
two flutes / reeds at once?

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 4:53:22 AM UTC, Curt George wrote:
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> ;-p Tongue? You Kill me Mike! ;-)
> Joe Neat shaper.  Brings up some good ideas, Thank you,
>
> C.A.G.,
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> On Monday, March 5, 2018 3:52 PM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <
> legac...@iglide.net > wrote:
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>
> But I didn't see where they joined it, did they use a tongue?  LOL
>
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> On 3/5/2018 1:47 PM, Bawdsey64 wrote:
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> ​Hi Joe
> Your French Spindle video deserves a French Kiss
> Cheers
> Roger
>
> ​
>
> ​
> From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Received: 05/03/2018 19:41:08 +00:00
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbePcJqN6O4=youtu.be
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> here is another attempt!
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