Re: Design Kit

[Ray Leaman]

Newbie here.  What's a design kit?  How is it used?  Is it used for all
manual model LOM's? How would somebody get one today?

Thanks

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 2:14 AM, Richard Ellis 
wrote:

> Bill
> *I have taken your advice and decided to keep it.*
> I apologise to all who have sent emails and replied to my post on this site
> At present I am having to answer stupid questions from the purchasers
> solicitor via my solicitor--- an extremely slow   process. I
> will now answer all the emails that I received re: the kit
> Richard
>
> On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 11:25:17 AM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Don’t be too quick to get rid of it, magnate ships internationally I can
>> buy a magnate router bit with shipping cheaper than I can buy one here in
>> Australia.
>>
>> I use my design kit all the time when I’m designing a job with a spiral
>> on it
>>
>> I will even buy it from you and I already own one.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mill
>> s...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Ellis
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 25 August 2018 5:23 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> *Subject:* Design Kit
>>
>>
>>
>> I have the Legacy Design kit, and have never used it- it came with my
>> Revo Craftsman which is very useful. Great tool.
>>
>> A great pity that the designers at Legacy did not follow it up with
>> larger models on the same principle.
>>
>> Back to the Design Kit , what use is it if I can't buy Magnate Cutters
>> here in the U.K.
>>
>> Does any one want it, here in the U.K. only ? ? ?
>>
>> Richard
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Re: Design Kit

[Dexter Bland]

Ray,
A design kit is no longer available from Legacy or anywhere that I am aware 
of. It was a clear set of templates of the router shapes that Magnate sells 
that you could use to draw out the cuts on scaled paper to refine your 
design. You could then use your drawing to lay out your cuts on the 
machine. Attached is a PDF of the router shapes available from Magnate. 
db

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Re: Design Kit

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks for your reply Dexter.  So the design kit was for making a "drawing"
on paper of what the stock will look like once cut rather than applying it
to the stock per se.  I assume it was for spindle turning for the most part?

Are the Magnate profiles on the attachment you sent full size or scaled
down?

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 5:35 PM, Dexter Bland  wrote:

>
> Ray,
> A design kit is no longer available from Legacy or anywhere that I am
> aware of. It was a clear set of templates of the router shapes that Magnate
> sells that you could use to draw out the cuts on scaled paper to refine
> your design. You could then use your drawing to lay out your cuts on the
> machine. Attached is a PDF of the router shapes available from Magnate.
> db
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Re: Design Kit

[Bawdsey64]

​Hi Ray
The Legacy Design Kit comprised one to one profile templates of many of the 
Magnate Cutters, and they were on three or four clear plastic sheets so you 
could draw straight on to graph paper (supplied by Legacy).  
The plastic templates were bought in and when Legacy were unable to get the 
plastic sheets produced out of house they did have a set of the profiles in an 
industry graphics format so you could draw using something like Coral Draw. The 
reason they stopped selling the product was that their supplier's Laser packed 
up and the Laser that the company bought to replace their old one burnt the 
plastic sheet when producing the Legacy Templates as it was much higher powered.
Someone in the group should have that graphics package.
Now I do not have it as sold my business, which was selling Legacy products in 
Europe, and I do not have a Legacy machine.  If you have no luck finding the 
graphics package get back to me and i will see if I have it on an old computer 
or someone I know has it.
Regards
Roger in UK


​


​
From: Ray Leaman
Received: 28/08/2018 22:55:50 +01:00
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Thanks for your reply Dexter.  So the design kit was for making a "drawing" on 
paper of what the stock will look like once cut rather than applying it to the 
stock per se.  I assume it was for spindle turning for the most part?

Are the Magnate profiles on the attachment you sent full size or scaled down?

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 5:35 PM, Dexter Bland mailto:dexterbl...@gmail.com]> wrote:


Ray,
A design kit is no longer available from Legacy or anywhere that I am aware of. 
It was a clear set of templates of the router shapes that Magnate sells that 
you could use to draw out the cuts on scaled paper to refine your design. You 
could then use your drawing to lay out your cuts on the machine. Attached is a 
PDF of the router shapes available from Magnate.
db

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RE: Design Kit

[Bill Bulkeley]

Here is a pic of the design kit it comes with graph paper as you see in the pic

 

Bill

 

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Subject: Re: Design Kit

 

Newbie here.  What's a design kit?  How is it used?  Is it used for all manual 
model LOM's? How would somebody get one today?

 

Thanks

 

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 2:14 AM, Richard Ellis  wrote:

Bill

I have taken your advice and decided to keep it.

I apologise to all who have sent emails and replied to my post on this site

At present I am having to answer stupid questions from the purchasers solicitor 
via my solicitor--- an extremely slow   process. I will now answer 
all the emails that I received re: the kit

Richard

On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 11:25:17 AM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:

Don’t be too quick to get rid of it, magnate ships internationally I can buy a 
magnate router bit with shipping cheaper than I can buy one here in Australia.

I use my design kit all the time when I’m designing a job with a spiral on it 

I will even buy it from you and I already own one.

 

Bill

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis
Sent: Saturday, 25 August 2018 5:23 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: Design Kit

 

I have the Legacy Design kit, and have never used it- it came with my Revo 
Craftsman which is very useful. Great tool.

A great pity that the designers at Legacy did not follow it up with larger 
models on the same principle.

Back to the Design Kit , what use is it if I can't buy Magnate Cutters here in 
the U.K.

Does any one want it, here in the U.K. only ? ? ?

Richard

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Re: Design Kit

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks. Pictures are truly worth a 1,000 words.

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 6:17 PM, Bill Bulkeley 
wrote:

> Here is a pic of the design kit it comes with graph paper as you see in
> the pic
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 28 August 2018 11:57 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Design Kit
>
>
>
> Newbie here.  What's a design kit?  How is it used?  Is it used for all
> manual model LOM's? How would somebody get one today?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 2:14 AM, Richard Ellis 
> wrote:
>
> Bill
>
> *I have taken your advice and decided to keep it.*
>
> I apologise to all who have sent emails and replied to my post on this site
>
> At present I am having to answer stupid questions from the purchasers
> solicitor via my solicitor--- an extremely slow   process. I
> will now answer all the emails that I received re: the kit
>
> Richard
>
> On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 11:25:17 AM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:
>
> Don’t be too quick to get rid of it, magnate ships internationally I can
> buy a magnate router bit with shipping cheaper than I can buy one here in
> Australia.
>
> I use my design kit all the time when I’m designing a job with a spiral on
> it
>
> I will even buy it from you and I already own one.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-
> mi...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Ellis
> *Sent:* Saturday, 25 August 2018 5:23 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
> *Subject:* Design Kit
>
>
>
> I have the Legacy Design kit, and have never used it- it came with my
> Revo Craftsman which is very useful. Great tool.
>
> A great pity that the designers at Legacy did not follow it up with larger
> models on the same principle.
>
> Back to the Design Kit , what use is it if I can't buy Magnate Cutters
> here in the U.K.
>
> Does any one want it, here in the U.K. only ? ? ?
>
> Richard
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RE: Design Kit

[Bill Bulkeley]

The design kit has saved me many trial and errors on timber, I know you can do 
it all on computer now days but the design kit produces it full scale so I can 
pin it up and get a real feel of how it looks, like a 4 poster bed

I was going to do for someone once and then they found the ceiling in their 
bedroom was too low and it didn’t look right. saved me hours of work for 
nothing they went with a lower polished brass bed instead I wasn’t worried it 
was a freebee for friends all that was waisted was a sheet of paper and not 
even that I rubbed the pencil off and used it again for another projects. 
Anyone who is a scroll sawer could make their own design kit

And there are free programs out there for printing your own graph paper of 
different sizes. or find someone with a laser cutter. Cheaper than buying a 
expensive computer program which I probably couldn’t use without a lot of 
learning I like the old school approach. 

 

Bill

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Leaman
Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2018 8:25 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Design Kit

 

Thanks. Pictures are truly worth a 1,000 words.

 

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 6:17 PM, Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

Here is a pic of the design kit it comes with graph paper as you see in the pic

 

Bill

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Leaman
Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2018 11:57 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Design Kit

 

Newbie here.  What's a design kit?  How is it used?  Is it used for all manual 
model LOM's? How would somebody get one today?

 

Thanks

 

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 2:14 AM, Richard Ellis  wrote:

Bill

I have taken your advice and decided to keep it.

I apologise to all who have sent emails and replied to my post on this site

At present I am having to answer stupid questions from the purchasers solicitor 
via my solicitor--- an extremely slow   process. I will now answer 
all the emails that I received re: the kit

Richard

On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 11:25:17 AM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:

Don’t be too quick to get rid of it, magnate ships internationally I can buy a 
magnate router bit with shipping cheaper than I can buy one here in Australia.

I use my design kit all the time when I’m designing a job with a spiral on it 

I will even buy it from you and I already own one.

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis
Sent: Saturday, 25 August 2018 5:23 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: Design Kit

 

I have the Legacy Design kit, and have never used it- it came with my Revo 
Craftsman which is very useful. Great tool.

A great pity that the designers at Legacy did not follow it up with larger 
models on the same principle.

Back to the Design Kit , what use is it if I can't buy Magnate Cutters here in 
the U.K.

Does any one want it, here in the U.K. only ? ? ?

Richard

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Re: Design Kit

[Tim Krause]

I had an agreement with Tracy Anderson to not distribute the router bit 
profiles in this group.  He wanted anyone in the group that is interested in 
the profiles in cad format to contact him.  We need to honor this agreement 
until otherwise instructed.

Tim




On Aug 28, 2018, 3:14 PM, at 3:14 PM, Bawdsey64  wrote:
>​Hi Ray
>The Legacy Design Kit comprised one to one profile templates of many of
>the Magnate Cutters, and they were on three or four clear plastic
>sheets so you could draw straight on to graph paper (supplied by
>Legacy).  
>The plastic templates were bought in and when Legacy were unable to get
>the plastic sheets produced out of house they did have a set of the
>profiles in an industry graphics format so you could draw using
>something like Coral Draw. The reason they stopped selling the product
>was that their supplier's Laser packed up and the Laser that the
>company bought to replace their old one burnt the plastic sheet when
>producing the Legacy Templates as it was much higher powered.
>Someone in the group should have that graphics package.
>Now I do not have it as sold my business, which was selling Legacy
>products in Europe, and I do not have a Legacy machine.  If you have no
>luck finding the graphics package get back to me and i will see if I
>have it on an old computer or someone I know has it.
>Regards
>Roger in UK
>
>
>​
>
>
>​
>From: Ray Leaman
>Received: 28/08/2018 22:55:50 +01:00
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Thanks for your reply Dexter.  So the design kit was for making a
>"drawing" on paper of what the stock will look like once cut rather
>than applying it to the stock per se.  I assume it was for spindle
>turning for the most part?
>
>Are the Magnate profiles on the attachment you sent full size or scaled
>down?
>
>On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 5:35 PM, Dexter Bland [mailto:dexterbl...@gmail.com]> wrote:
>
>
>Ray,
>A design kit is no longer available from Legacy or anywhere that I am
>aware of. It was a clear set of templates of the router shapes that
>Magnate sells that you could use to draw out the cuts on scaled paper
>to refine your design. You could then use your drawing to lay out your
>cuts on the machine. Attached is a PDF of the router shapes available
>from Magnate.
>db
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Re: New Members and Moderation - Tracy

[Jim AKA Mattox]

Max - other buyers asking -please make contact - chas7...@att.net

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 6:33 PM 4 Jim Carpenter 
wrote:

> mail box full - buyers making offers - 314-359-6064 Ron for Jim
> gears/indexes ?
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 1:12 AM MWF  wrote:
>
>> Hello Tracy,
>>
>> Thanks for the "intro".  You have come to the right place to get help and
>> to share your skills & knowledge.
>> If you provide us with the city/community where you live - you may find
>> there is a Group Member within a reasonable drive distance.
>>
>> You mentioned you may be turning the balusters on your Mill.  Give
>> thought to turning half with a clock-wise spiral and the other half with a
>> counter clock-wise spiral.  Then, when assembling each railing section
>> install clock-wise balusters on one half and counter clock-wise ones on the
>> the other half.  If you space them such that you have an odd number of them
>> on the railing you can make the center baluster a non-spiral - perhaps a
>> fluted or a simple tapered one.  Regarding the spacing between balusters,
>> keep in mind that most building codes require any "opening" (gap/spacing)
>> between balusters not exceed (or be less than) 4.0 inches.  For what it's
>> worth, there is no need for your balusters to be 4x4" stock (that's huge).
>> Most deck/proch/gazebo railings I encounter are the "standard" 2"x2" (or 1
>> 1/2" x 1 1/2").  Using the smaller size should save you a fair bit of cash
>> as well as being much easier to handle/install.
>>
>> Welcome to The Group.
>> Mac
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tracy Smith
>> Sent: Aug 13, 2018 9:17 PM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New Members and Moderation
>>
>> Thanks again everyone for the quick responses.  Just based on this
>> feedback, I think I need to correct a few things: slow down my router,
>> sharpen/clean more often, and be more patient in my cutting.  There have
>> been times when I'm definitely too aggressive.
>>
>> My gazebo project came about because I bought the LOM.  I like to build
>> stuff and the LOM gave me an opportunity to learn the tool and figure out
>> how to do something I don't know now.  My plan is for a 14.5' gazebo with
>> 1.5 overhang with a double roof.  I've attached a couple of my inspiration
>> pictures.  The side rails will be basically 6' or the distance between
>> centers of the posts will be 6'.  The side rail design was simply me
>> looking at a bunch of different gazebos, drawing out variations of what I
>> liked and asking my wife what she liked.  I've attached that drawing to see
>> the variations I was thinking about doing.  We've decided on the bottom
>> right rail.  The bottom support beam is a bit thicker and we both liked the
>> supporting center baluster.  The balusters are also spaced a bit further
>> apart.  The center baluster will be a transition baluster since there are
>> 4-5 different designs for the major posts.  The balusters are smaller
>> versions of the 6x6 posts.  All the balusters are from 4x4 redwood.  The
>> top of the side rails will be a two pieces of 2x6 redwood fastened together
>> to hold the balusters with some router or mill magic on them.  Nothing
>> special but it should look nice.  Since I am using different styles of
>> balusters, I really don't know how it will turn out.  It will either be
>> beautiful or a bit of a visual nightmare.  Oh well.  I'll have fun building
>> it.
>>
>> Last year I built a pergola just off my shop.  I worked on the design for
>> about 3 months off and on.  When I finally decided what I was going to do,
>> I bought "a pile of wood" and it took about 2 months to complete it.  I
>> really like how it turned out.  The last picture is the pergola.
>>
>> I've watched many of the Legacy how to videos and wanted a project to
>> learn how to do it.  I actually live pretty close to where they manufacture
>> their CNCs.  Great people and it is pretty cool to meet the people in the
>> videos.  Since I still feel like I'm hacking my way through things, I am by
>> no stretch an expert.  The rope twist is from a 2" bit with a 6" pitch.
>> The barley twist is a 2" bit with a single start.  The flute I kind of just
>> did what I thought looked nice.  I think it was a 1/2 inch core box using 6
>> equally spaced index positions.
>>
>> The 1500EXL worked great but was missing most of the gears.  I did buy a
>> new .25 gear set but instead of buying some of the few new replacement
>> parts, I've acquired a few machines that had the pieced I wanted and have a
>> bit of a collection now.  I do really enjoy working on this machine and I
>> want to learn how to do all it is capable of. I just wish I had a lot more
>> time for it.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Tracy
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>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 5:24 PM, Bill Bulkeley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I find that a difficult question to a