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Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

2023-05-31 Thread Tim Ziegler

Yeah that was some premium Alder for sure.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 10:09 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Very nice piece of wood you used.
>
> Mac
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> From: 
> Sent: May 29, 2023 6:53 AM
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> Subject: Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM
>
>
> yeah "Red Alder" to match the customers Kitchen.
> Kind Regards,
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 10:13 PM  wrote:
>
>> It might be just simple pine what ever it looks good
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2023 12:54 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>>
>>
>> Very nice!  Your "
>>
>> finished result was good" needs revision: Should be "finished result was
>> Excellent!"
>>
>> What is the wood you made it from?  Cedar?  Hemlock?  Cyprus?
>>
>> And what finish did you apply? (brand & specifics - like Walrus Oil
>> applied w/a cloth; or used a 3M-type Scotchbright pad; etc.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: May 28, 2023 2:55 PM
>> To: LOM Group , Tim Ziegler <
>> timjzieg...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: charcuterie board Groove on LOM
>>
>>
>>
>> Found a good use of my LOM this week on a job and it worked
>> extremely well.
>>
>> used 2 Rockler hold downs and to LOM mounting hubs to hold it in place.
>>
>> Mounted my stops on the rails to control my length of the groove. I
>> manually controlled the Router and Carriage to minimize burning.
>>
>> As you can see the finished result was good.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
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Re: Something old & Something New.

2023-05-31 Thread 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

The step by step process would be of great help to me and perhaps others on the board that have not tried template work on the LOM. If you would be so kind to share these steps it would be greatly appreciated.Thank youDensonSent from Denson's iPhoneOn May 31, 2023, at 12:15 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
Hello Denson.Im here if you need me. The only thing you need to remember the templates are general. meaning they are not meant for fine control, so small details will not fully show up. Its not like a Vaga lathe duplicator (making exact copy of spindles.) It give you the general shape and control of the cut, for general shape and for roping or fluting on a curve.If you like I can write up a step by step process, Its not hard, its just not the same process as you are use to. I know once you try it, You will find a hole new world in the way you make parts, and spindles.I wish you luck. Please let us know how it turns out. ;-)C.A.G.

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 03:09:38 PM EDT, 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Thanks Curt. I’m getting ready to try some template usage. I may have to call on you for help.DensonSent from Denson's iPhoneOn May 30, 2023, at 5:52 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:Thats a lot of templates. Thanks for sharing Curt.Anyone else out there using templates< would love to hear about it?Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cellOn Mon, May 29, 2023 at 9:56 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
I am glad to hear you like it.Template work is so very, Neat and easy to do on the Legacy.In the past, it use to take me a hole day to get at template made.Today I have appx. 400 templates that I've made.In the past I made my templates out of wood and MDF, but today I use Plexiglas and other plastics. (Plastic's make a much better template then what I use to use.) and it takes up a lot less room in my shop.Here are two out of three template holders in my shop.More latter.Have a good night.C.A.G.

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 10:29:55 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Good stuff, Curt I will have to try that process once. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cellOn Mon, May 29, 2023 at 9:22 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
Part IIC.A.G.

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 10:18:21 PM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hi Guys!We were talking about template work and cutting form the side of the work piece. I found an old video in which Legacy was doing exactly that. Since I can not post any Legacy video's,I though I would do the next best thing. So here are a few pix's . step by step...As you can see, the template and work piece are in the first photo. they use a 1/2 straight bit cutting form the side. using a core box bit the edges are trimmed, then using a Vee bit the rope and latter diamond cut was made.Hope this works. If you like this there are other projects, you can see if you like.C.A.G.

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Shop Hacks

2023-05-31 Thread Tim Ziegler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqq07yRot_A

some of you may enjoy these.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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Re: Using the Template follower on the Legacy Ornamental Mill

2023-05-31 Thread Tim Ziegler

Good stuff  Curt.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 8:57 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
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> Here are some step by step photos.
> As you can see in the first photo the templates are not very detailed,
> they need to be smooth and in the general shape of what you want to make,
> but the fine details are not there, those will have to be put in after the
> general shape has been turned.
> the 2,3 photos are aligning the router with the center of the work
> piece/center of the machine. form this point you lock the machine in place
> and then align the template to the machine.
> The last two photos are the Legacy cutting form the side, 1/2" straight
> router bit (a spiral bit cuts nicer then a straight flute carbide bit, but
> either will work.)
> The Y axis needs to move freely so it is touching the template while
> cutting. You will have to hold the router by hand while cutting, Make light
> cuts down the spindle to get to the depth of cut you want to make.
> *NOTE: *
> In My 200 video, I use a motor to turn the spindle. A hand crank will work
> just as fine as the motor.
> BUT, You can lock the indexing head in place and cut the blank locked in
> place as well, and just index the part over and over to reach to final
> shape. You may find this faster and less nerve racking at the very
> beginning of template work.
> Now the fun part. once the final shape has been reached. you can adjust
> the template follower slightly to make designs such as tapered rope cutting
> and any fine detail.
> NOTE: in the past I did not want to adjust the template or follower after
> the set shape was made, moving either of the two can greatly change the
> shape of the part, so you need to be careful. (this is why I use a mic. on
> my 200's template follower.) but you can do the same thing by using shims
> or making adjustable followers. (we will cover this idea latter.)
>
> PLAY as much as you can before "TRING" to make anything important to you.
> There is a learning curve that needs to be explored.
>
> LAST NOTE:  I am using these photos to help demonstrate the process. MY
> 1000ex, No longer look like it did when I bought it. Since my Modifications
> to it/adding linear rail.  My machine works the same way, but looks to
> different form the original, I hope my showing old photos will help others,
> start exploring the NEW Possibility's
> that template following offers.
> Good luck.
> talk to you all more latter.
>
> C.A.G.
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RE: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

2023-05-31 Thread bulkeley

So because I don’t know your woods very well is the Alder you used red Alder

Or European Alder? these are the only 2 Alders I know and where do you buy it?

 

Bill

 

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 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:51 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

 

Yeah that was some premium Alder for sure. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 10:09 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Very nice piece of wood you used.

Mac


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Subject: Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

 

yeah "Red Alder" to match the customers Kitchen. 

Kind Regards, 

Timothy J. Ziegler

On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 10:13 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

It might be just simple pine what ever it looks good

 

Bill

 

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Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 12:54 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

 

Tim,

 

Very nice!  Your "

finished result was good" needs revision: Should be "finished result was 
Excellent!" 

What is the wood you made it from?  Cedar?  Hemlock?  Cyprus?

And what finish did you apply? (brand & specifics - like Walrus Oil applied w/a 
cloth; or used a 3M-type Scotchbright pad; etc.)

 

Thanks for sharing.

Mac

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To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> >
Subject: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

 

Found a good use of my LOM this week on a job and it worked extremely well.  

used 2 Rockler hold downs and to LOM mounting hubs to hold it in place. 

Mounted my stops on the rails to control my length of the groove. I manually 
controlled the Router and Carriage to minimize burning.

As you can see the finished result was good. 




Kind Regards, 

Timothy J. Ziegler

 

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RE: Shop Hacks

2023-05-31 Thread bulkeley

Thank you Tim some I have seen some I haven’t nice find

 

Bill

 

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 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2023 3:56 AM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Shop Hacks

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqq07yRot_A

 

some of you may enjoy these. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

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Re: Shop Hacks

2023-05-31 Thread Tim Ziegler

Yeah I enjoyed them.

Tim

On Wed, May 31, 2023, 5:47 PM  wrote:

> Thank you Tim some I have seen some I haven’t nice find
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 1, 2023 3:56 AM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Shop Hacks
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqq07yRot_A
>
>
>
> some of you may enjoy these.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
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Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM

2023-05-31 Thread Tim Ziegler

Yes Red Alder

On Wed, May 31, 2023, 5:26 PM  wrote:

> So because I don’t know your woods very well is the Alder you used red
> Alder
>
> Or European Alder? these are the only 2 Alders I know and where do you buy
> it?
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:51 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM
>
>
>
> Yeah that was some premium Alder for sure.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 10:09 PM M.W.Foscue 
> wrote:
>
> Very nice piece of wood you used.
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: May 29, 2023 6:53 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM
>
>
>
> yeah "Red Alder" to match the customers Kitchen.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 10:13 PM  wrote:
>
> It might be just simple pine what ever it looks good
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
> *Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2023 12:54 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: charcuterie board Groove on LOM
>
>
>
> Tim,
>
>
>
> Very nice!  Your "
>
> finished result was good" needs revision: Should be "finished result was
> Excellent!"
>
> What is the wood you made it from?  Cedar?  Hemlock?  Cyprus?
>
> And what finish did you apply? (brand & specifics - like Walrus Oil
> applied w/a cloth; or used a 3M-type Scotchbright pad; etc.)
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: May 28, 2023 2:55 PM
> To: LOM Group , Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com>
> Subject: charcuterie board Groove on LOM
>
>
>
> Found a good use of my LOM this week on a job and it worked
> extremely well.
>
> used 2 Rockler hold downs and to LOM mounting hubs to hold it in place.
>
> Mounted my stops on the rails to control my length of the groove. I
> manually controlled the Router and Carriage to minimize burning.
>
> As you can see the finished result was good.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
>
>
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Re: Using the Template follower on the Legacy Ornamental Mill

2023-05-31 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

ONE LAST NOTE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfgtlxe7X9s This is NOT a
Legacy video. but it clearly shows the power of the template and being able to
follow one in OT/OM turning.
Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 01:02:44 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy
Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Everyone.
I just got home form work.
Before I forget I did note on the shims and or bushings that can be used to
make small changes in your template following.
Have anyone ever shimmed a grinder's, grinding wheel? on the wheels arbor
there are normally a set of plastic round shims so you can get your wheel trued
up on a number of different sized shafts."Well" This is the idea. build up the
bushing on the template follower . This way when you get to the size you want,
you can remove one more small shim, making the follower slightly smaller so
you can adjust for the finer(finishing) detailed types of cutting.This is one
method that I have used many times over the years.
Legacy made a number of adjustable template follower guides for there
larger/production machines, and latter sold this follower to any one who wanted
there new Z axis on there Legacy's.The MAIN IDEA is to gain more control of the
movement of the follower, (Again On my 200, I used a depth mic. to make the
distance change.) I am putting three photos of different ways that I have tried
to get this control done. ON the Front mounted template follower I used a
router circle adjustment screw/arm to work as my adjustment. ON the middle pix.
I used a set of large saw blades and a spring to maintain the tooth locking
everything in place.I also made a plexy glass adjustable follower (but I can
not find a photo at this time.)
Have a good night everyone.talk to you all more latter.
C.A.G.

On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 03:38:24 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
wrote:

Good stuff Curt.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 8:57 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
wrote:

Here are some step by step photos.As you can see in the first photo the
templates are not very detailed, they need to be smooth and in the general
shape of what you want to make, but the fine details are not there, those will
have to be put in after the general shape has been turned.the 2,3 photos are
aligning the router with the center of the work piece/center of the machine.
form this point you lock the machine in place and then align the template to
the machine.The last two photos are the Legacy cutting form the side, 1/2"
straight router bit (a spiral bit cuts nicer then a straight flute carbide bit,
but either will work.)The Y axis needs to move freely so it is touching the
template while cutting. You will have to hold the router by hand while cutting,
Make light cuts down the spindle to get to the depth of cut you want to
make.NOTE: In My 200 video, I use a motor to turn the spindle. A hand crank
will work just as fine as the motor. BUT, You can lock the indexing head in
place and cut the blank locked in place as well, and just index the part over
and over to reach to final shape. You may find this faster and less nerve
racking at the very beginning of template work.Now the fun part. once the final
shape has been reached. you can adjust the template follower slightly to make
designs such as tapered rope cutting and any fine detail.NOTE: in the past I
did not want to adjust the template or follower after the set shape was made,
moving either of the two can greatly change the shape of the part, so you need
to be careful. (this is why I use a mic. on my 200's template follower.) but
you can do the same thing by using shims or making adjustable followers. (we
will cover this idea latter.)
PLAY as much as you can before "TRING" to make anything important to you. There
is a learning curve that needs to be explored.
LAST NOTE: I am using these photos to help demonstrate the process. MY 1000ex,
No longer look like it did when I bought it. Since my Modifications to
it/adding linear rail. My machine works the same way, but looks to different
form the original, I hope my showing old photos will help others, start
exploring the NEW Possibility'sthat template following offers. Good luck.talk
to you all more latter.
C.A.G.

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